§11Sed haec ex naturalibus causis vitia nasci possunt, extirpari autem et funditus tolli, ut is ipse, qui ad ea propensus fuerit, a tantis vitiis avocetur, non est id positum in naturalibus causis, sed in voluntate, studio, disciplina.
But although these vices can arise from natural causes, yet that they should be extirpated and radically removed, so that the very person who had been inclined to them is called away from such great vices, this is not placed in natural causes, but in will, effort, and training.
Quae tolluntur omnia, si vis et natura fati ex divinationis ratione firmabitur.
All of these are destroyed, if the force and nature of fate are established on the basis of divination.
Etenim si est divinatio, qualibusnam a perceptis artis proficiscitur? (percepta appello, quae dicuntur Graece qewrh/mata).
For indeed, if divination exists, from what kind of grasped principles of an art does it proceed? (I call "grasped principles" what are called "theorēmata" in Greek).
Non enim credo nullo percepto aut ceteros artifices versari in suo munere, aut eos, qui divinatione utantur, futura praedicere.
For I do not believe that other artisans engage in their duties without any grasped principle, nor that those who practice divination predict future events without it.
§12Sint igitur astrologorum percepta huius modi:
"Si quis verbi causa oriente Canicula natus est, is in mari non morietur. "
Vigila, Chrysippe, ne tuam causam, in qua tibi cum Diodoro, valente dialectico, magna luctatio est, deseras.
Let, therefore, the grasped principles of the astrologers be of this kind: "If anyone, for example, was born at the rising of the Dog-star, he will not die in the sea." Watch out, Chrysippus, lest you abandon your own case, in which you have a great struggle with Diodorus, the powerful dialectician.
Si enim est verum, quod ita conectitur:
"Si quis oriente Canicula natus est, in mari non morietur"
, illud quoque verum est:
"Si Fabius oriente Canicula natus est, Fabius in mari non morietur. "
Pugnant igitur haec inter se, Fabium oriente Canicula natum esse, et Fabium in mari moriturum; et quoniam certum in Fabio ponitur, natum esse eum Canicula oriente, haec quoque pugnant, et esse Fabium, et in mari esse moriturum.
For if that which is thus connected is true: "If anyone was born at the rising of the Dog-star, he will not die in the sea", that also is true: "If Fabius was born at the rising of the Dog-star, Fabius will not die in the sea." Therefore, these contradict each other, that Fabius was born at the rising of the Dog-star, and that Fabius will die in the sea; and since it is assumed as certain in the case of Fabius that he was born at the rising of the Dog-star, these also contradict each other, both that Fabius exists and that he will die in the sea.
Ergo haec quoque coniunctio est ex repugnantibus:
"Et est Fabius, et in mari Fabius morietur"
, quod, ut propositum est, ne fieri quidem potest.
Therefore, this conjunction also consists of contradictory elements: "Both Fabius exists and Fabius will die in the sea", which, as has been proposed, cannot even happen.
Ergo illud:
"Morietur in mari Fabius"
ex eo genere est, quod fieri non potest.
Therefore, that statement: "Fabius will die in the sea" is of that kind which cannot happen.
Omne ergo, quod falsum dicitur in futuro, id fieri non potest.
Therefore, everything that is said falsely concerning the future is impossible to happen.
§13At hoc, Chrysippe, minime vis, maximeque tibi de hoc ipso cum Diodoro certamen est.
But this, Chrysippus, you by no means want, and it is on this very point that you have the greatest contest with Diodorus.
Ille enim id solum fieri posse dicit, quod aut sit verum aut futurum sit verum, et, quicquid futurum sit, id dicit fieri necesse esse et, quicquid non sit futurum, id negat fieri posse.
For he says that only that can happen which either is true or will be true, and whatever will be, he says must necessarily happen, and whatever will not be, he denies can happen.
Tu, et quae non sint futura, posse fieri dicis, ut frangi hanc gemmam, etiamsi id numquam futurum sit, neque necesse fuisse Cypselum regnare Corinthi, quamquam id millensimo ante anno Apollinis oraculo editum esset.
You say that even things which will not be can happen, as that this gem can be broken, even if that will never happen, and that it was not necessary for Cypselus to rule in Corinth, although that had been declared a thousand years before by the oracle of Apollo.
At si ista conprobabis divina praedicta, et, quae falsa in futuris dicentur, in iis habebis, ut ea fieri non possint, et, si vere dicatur de futuro, idque ita futurum sit, dicas esse necessarium; quae est tota Diodori vobis inimica sententia.
But if you approve those divine predictions, you will hold both that those things which are said falsely in the future cannot happen, and that if a statement is made truly about the future and it is to be so, you must say that it is necessary; which is the entire opinion of Diodorus, hostile to you.
§14Etenim si illud vere conectitur:
"Si oriente Canicula natus es, in mari non moriere"
, primumque quod est in conexo:
"Natus es oriente Canicula"
, necessarium est (omnia enim vera in praeteritis necessaria sunt, ut Chrysippo placet dissentienti a magistro Cleanthe, quia sunt inmutabilia nec in falsum e vero praeterita possunt convertere); si igitur, quod primum in conexo est, necessarium est, fit etiam, quod consequitur, necessarium.
For if that is truly connected: "If you were born at the rising of the Dog-star, you will not die in the sea", and the first part which is in the connected statement: "You were born at the rising of the Dog-star", is necessary (for all things true in the past are necessary, as is pleasing to Chrysippus, who disagrees with his master Cleanthes, because past things are immutable and cannot change from true to false); if therefore that which is first in the connected statement is necessary, that which follows also becomes necessary.
Quamquam hoc Chrysippo non videtur valere in omnibus; sed tamen, si naturalis est causa, cur in mari Fabius non moriatur, in mari Fabius mori non potest.
Although this does not seem to Chrysippus to hold in all cases; but nevertheless, if there is a natural cause why Fabius should not die in the sea, Fabius cannot die in the sea.