§63ΦΑΙΔ. ἀκούσας οὖν ὁ Σωκράτης ἡσθῆναί τέ μοι ἔδοξε τῇ τοῦ κέβητος πραγματείᾳ, καὶ ἐπιβλέψας εἰς ἡμᾶς, ἀεί τοι, ἔφη, Κέβης λόγους τινὰς ἀνερευνᾷ, καὶ οὐ πάνυ εὐθέως ἐθέλει πείθεσθαι ὅτι ἄν τις εἴπῃ. καὶ ὁ Σιμμίας, ἀλλὰ μήν, ἔφη, ὦ Σώκρατες, νῦν γέ μοι δοκεῖ τι καὶ αὐτῷ λέγειν Κέβης·
PHAEDO: On hearing this, Socrates seemed to me to be pleased with Cebes' earnestness, and looking at us, he said, "Cebes is always searching out some arguments, and is not at all willing to be convinced immediately by whatever anyone says." And Simmias said, "But indeed, Socrates, now Cebes himself seems to me to have a point.
τί γὰρ ἂν βουλόμενοι ἄνδρες σοφοὶ ὡς ἀληθῶς δεσπότας ἀμείνους αὑτῶν φεύγοιεν καὶ ῥᾳδίως ἀπαλλάττοιντο αὐτῶν;
For with what intent would truly wise men flee from masters who are better than themselves, and easily depart from them?
καί μοι δοκεῖ Κέβης εἰς σὲ τείνειν τὸν λόγον, ὅτι οὕτω ῥᾳδίως φέρεις καὶ ἡμᾶς ἀπολείπων καὶ ἄρχοντας ἀγαθούς, ὡς αὐτὸς ὁμολογεῖς, θεούς. δίκαια, ἔφη, λέγετε· οἶμαι γὰρ ὑμᾶς λέγειν ὅτι χρή με πρὸς ταῦτα ἀπολογήσασθαι ὥσπερ ἐν δικαστηρίῳ. πάνυ μὲν οὖν, ἔφη ὁ Σιμμίας.
And Cebes seems to me to be directing his argument at you, because you are bearing so easily leaving both us and those good rulers, as you yourself admit, the gods." "You speak justly," he said; "for I think you mean that I must make a defense against these charges as if in a court of law." "Exactly so," said Simmias.
φέρε δή, ἦ δ’ ὅς, πειραθῶ πιθανώτερον πρὸς ὑμᾶς ἀπολογήσασθαι ἢ πρὸς τοὺς δικαστάς.
"Come then," said he, "let me try to make a more convincing defense to you than to the judges.
ἐγὼ γάρ, ἔφη, ὦ Σιμμία τε καὶ Κέβης, εἰ μὲν μὴ ᾤμην ἥξειν πρῶτον μὲν παρὰ θεοὺς ἄλλους σοφούς τε καὶ ἀγαθούς, ἔπειτα καὶ παρ’ ἀνθρώπους τετελευτηκότας ἀμείνους τῶν ἐνθάδε, ἠδίκουν ἂν οὐκ ἀγανακτῶν τῷ θανάτῳ·
For I," he said, "Simmias and Cebes, if I did not believe that I should go first to other gods who are both wise and good, and next to men who have died and are better than those here, I should be wrong not to be grieved at death.
νῦν δὲ εὖ ἴστε ὅτι παρ’ ἄνδρας τε ἐλπίζω ἀφίξεσθαι ἀγαθούς — καὶ τοῦτο μὲν οὐκ ἂν πάνυ διισχυρισαίμην — ὅτι μέντοι παρὰ θεοὺς δεσπότας πάνυ ἀγαθοὺς ἥξειν, εὖ ἴστε ὅτι εἴπερ τι ἄλλο τῶν τοιούτων διισχυρισαίμην ἂν καὶ τοῦτο.
But now, be assured that I hope to arrive among good men—and this I would not altogether assert with certainty—but that I shall go to gods who are very good masters, be assured that if I would assert anything else of such matters with certainty, I would assert this too.
ὥστε διὰ ταῦτα οὐχ ὁμοίως ἀγανακτῶ, ἀλλ’ εὔελπίς εἰμι εἶναί τι τοῖς τετελευτηκόσι καί, ὥσπερ γε καὶ πάλαι λέγεται, πολὺ ἄμεινον τοῖς ἀγαθοῖς ἢ τοῖς κακοῖς. τί οὖν, ἔφη ὁ Σιμμίας, ὦ Σώκρατες;
Therefore, for these reasons, I am not so grieved, but I have good hope that there is something for those who have died, and, as has indeed been said of old, something much better for the good than for the bad." "What then, Socrates?" said Simmias.
αὐτὸς ἔχων τὴν διάνοιαν ταύτην ἐν νῷ ἔχεις ἀπιέναι, ἢ κἂν ἡμῖν μεταδοίης;
"Do you intend to depart keeping this thought to yourself, or would you share it with us as well?
κοινὸν γὰρ δὴ ἔμοιγε δοκεῖ καὶ ἡμῖν εἶναι ἀγαθὸν τοῦτο, καὶ ἅμα σοι ἡ ἀπολογία ἔσται, ἐὰν ἅπερ λέγεις ἡμᾶς πείσῃς. ἀλλὰ πειράσομαι, ἔφη.
For this seems to me to be a common good for us too, and at the same time it will be your defense, if you convince us of what you say." "Well, I will try," he said.
πρῶτον δὲ Κρίτωνα τόνδε σκεψώμεθα τί ἐστιν ὃ βούλεσθαί μοι δοκεῖ πάλαι εἰπεῖν. τί δέ, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἔφη ὁ Κρίτων, ἄλλο γε ἢ πάλαι μοι λέγει ὁ μέλλων σοι δώσειν τὸ φάρμακον ὅτι χρή σοι φράζειν ὡς ἐλάχιστα διαλέγεσθαι;
"But first let us see what Crito here seems to have been wanting to say to me for some time." "What else, Socrates," said Crito, "than that the man who is to give you the poison has been telling me for some time that you should be told to talk as little as possible?
φησὶ γὰρ θερμαίνεσθαι μᾶλλον διαλεγομένους, δεῖν δὲ οὐδὲν τοιοῦτον προσφέρειν τῷ φαρμάκῳ· εἰ δὲ μή, ἐνίοτε ἀναγκάζεσθαι καὶ δὶς καὶ τρὶς πίνειν τούς τι τοιοῦτον ποιοῦντας. καὶ ὁ Σωκράτης, ἔα, ἔφη, χαίρειν αὐτόν· ἀλλὰ μόνον τὸ ἑαυτοῦ παρασκευαζέτω ὡς καὶ δὶς δώσων, ἐὰν δὲ δέῃ, καὶ τρίς. ἀλλὰ σχεδὸν μέν τι ᾔδη, ἔφη ὁ Κρίτων· ἀλλά μοι πάλαι πράγματα παρέχει. ἔα αὐτόν, ἔφη.
For he says that people get warmer by talking, and that nothing of this sort should be brought to the poison; otherwise, those who do such things are sometimes forced to drink it even twice or thrice." And Socrates said, "Let him be," he said, "and never mind him; but let him only prepare his own part as if he were going to give it twice, or even thrice, if necessary." "I pretty much knew that already," said Crito; "but he has been bothering me for some time." "Let him be," he said.