§102ΦΑΙΔ. ἀληθέστατα, ἔφη, λέγεις, ὅ τε Σιμμίας ἅμα καὶ ὁ Κέβης. ΕΧ. νὴ Δία, ὦ Φαίδων, εἰκότως γε· θαυμαστῶς γάρ μοι δοκεῖ ὡς ἐναργῶς τῷ καὶ σμικρὸν νοῦν ἔχοντι εἰπεῖν ἐκεῖνος ταῦτα.
Phaedo: "You speak most truly," he said, "both Simmias and Cebes together." Echecrates: By Zeus, Phaedo, and naturally so; for it seems to me wonderful how clearly he spoke these things even to one who has but a little intellect.
ΦΑΙΔ. πάνυ μὲν οὖν, ὦ Ἐχέκρατες, καὶ πᾶσι τοῖς παροῦσιν ἔδοξεν.
Phaedo: Yes, indeed, Echecrates, and so it seemed to all who were present.
ΕΧ. καὶ γὰρ ἡμῖν τοῖς ἀποῦσι, νῦν δὲ ἀκούουσιν.
Echecrates: And so it does to us who were absent, but are now listening.
ἀλλὰ τίνα δὴ ἦν τὰ μετὰ ταῦτα λεχθέντα;
But what indeed were the things said after this?
ΦΑΙΔ. ὡς μὲν ἐγὼ οἶμαι, ἐπεὶ αὐτῷ ταῦτα συνεχωρήθη, καὶ ὡμολογεῖτο εἶναί τι ἕκαστον τῶν εἰδῶν καὶ τούτων τἆλλα μεταλαμβάνοντα αὐτῶν τούτων τὴν ἐπωνυμίαν ἴσχειν, τὸ δὴ μετὰ ταῦτα ἠρώτα, εἰ δή, ἦ δ’ ὅς, ταῦτα οὕτως λέγεις, ἆρ’ οὐχ, ὅταν Σιμμίαν Σωκράτους φῇς μείζω εἶναι, Φαίδωνος δὲ ἐλάττω, λέγεις τότ’ εἶναι ἐν τῷ Σιμμίᾳ ἀμφότερα, καὶ μέγεθος καὶ σμικρότητα; ἔγωγε. ἀλλὰ γάρ, ἦ δ’ ὅς, ὁμολογεῖς τὸ τὸν Σιμμίαν ὑπερέχειν Σωκράτους οὐχ ὡς τοῖς ῥήμασι λέγεται οὕτω καὶ τὸ ἀληθὲς ἔχειν;
Phaedo: As I think, when these things were conceded to him, and it was agreed that each of the forms exists, and that the other things, by participating in these, receive the name of these very things, he then asked after this: "If indeed," he said, "you say these things are so, is it not the case that, when you say Simmias is greater than Socrates but smaller than Phaedo, you say that both are then in Simmias, both greatness and smallness?" "I do." "But indeed," he said, "do you agree that Simmias's exceeding Socrates is not as it is said in words, so also the truth holds?
οὐ γάρ που πεφυκέναι Σιμμίαν ὑπερέχειν τούτῳ, τῷ Σιμμίαν εἶναι, ἀλλὰ τῷ μεγέθει ὃ τυγχάνει ἔχων· οὐδ’ αὖ Σωκράτους ὑπερέχειν ὅτι Σωκράτης ὁ Σωκράτης ἐστίν, ἀλλ’ ὅτι σμικρότητα ἔχει ὁ Σωκράτης πρὸς τὸ ἐκείνου μέγεθος; ἀληθῆ. οὐδέ γε αὖ ὑπὸ Φαίδωνος ὑπερέχεσθαι τῷ ὅτι Φαίδων ὁ Φαίδων ἐστίν, ἀλλ’ ὅτι μέγεθος ἔχει ὁ Φαίδων πρὸς τὴν Σιμμίου σμικρότητα; ἔστι ταῦτα. οὕτως ἄρα ὁ Σιμμίας ἐπωνυμίαν ἔχει σμικρός τε καὶ μέγας εἶναι, ἐν μέσῳ ὢν ἀμφοτέρων, τοῦ μὲν τῷ μεγέθει ὑπερέχειν τὴν σμικρότητα ὑπέχων, τῷ δὲ τὸ μέγεθος τῆς σμικρότητος παρέχων ὑπερέχον. καὶ ἅμα μειδιάσας, ἔοικα, ἔφη, καὶ συγγραφικῶς ἐρεῖν, ἀλλ’ οὖν ἔχει γέ που ὡς λέγω. συνέφη.
For Simmias does not, I suppose, naturally exceed by this, by being Simmias, but by the greatness which he happens to have; nor again does he exceed Socrates because Socrates is Socrates, but because Socrates has smallness in relation to the other's greatness?" "True." "Nor again is he exceeded by Phaedo by the fact that Phaedo is Phaedo, but because Phaedo has greatness in relation to Simmias's smallness?" "That is so." "Thus indeed Simmias has the name of being both small and great, being in the middle of both, submitting his smallness to be exceeded by the greatness of the one, and presenting to the other his greatness exceeding the other's smallness." And at the same time smiling, he said, "I seem, indeed, to be going to speak even like a book-writer, but still it is surely as I say." Simmias agreed.
λέγω δὴ τοῦδ’ ἕνεκα, βουλόμενος δόξαι σοὶ ὅπερ ἐμοί.
"I say this, then, because I want you to think as I do.
ἐμοὶ γὰρ φαίνεται οὐ μόνον αὐτὸ τὸ μέγεθος οὐδέποτ’ ἐθέλειν ἅμα μέγα καὶ σμικρὸν εἶναι, ἀλλὰ καὶ τὸ ἐν ἡμῖν μέγεθος οὐδέποτε προσδέχεσθαι τὸ σμικρὸν οὐδ’ ἐθέλειν ὑπερέχεσθαι, ἀλλὰ δυοῖν τὸ ἕτερον, ἢ φεύγειν καὶ ὑπεκχωρεῖν ὅταν αὐτῷ προσίῃ τὸ ἐναντίον, τὸ σμικρόν, ἢ προσελθόντος ἐκείνου ἀπολωλέναι·
For to me it appears not only that greatness itself is never willing to be at the same time great and small, but also that the greatness in us never admits the small, nor is it willing to be exceeded, but one of two things: either to flee and withdraw when the opposite, the small, approaches it, or to have perished when that other has approached.
ὑπομένον δὲ καὶ δεξάμενον τὴν σμικρότητα οὐκ ἐθέλειν εἶναι ἕτερον ἢ ὅπερ ἦν.
But it is not willing, by holding its ground and admitting smallness, to be other than what it was.
ὥσπερ ἐγὼ δεξάμενος καὶ ὑπομείνας τὴν σμικρότητα, καὶ ἔτι ὢν ὅσπερ εἰμί, οὗτος ὁ αὐτὸς σμικρός εἰμι· ἐκεῖνο δὲ οὐ τετόλμηκεν μέγα ὂν σμικρὸν εἶναι·
Just as I, having admitted and held my ground against smallness, and still being just who I am, am this same small person; but that greatness has not dared, being great, to be small.
ὡς δ’ αὕτως καὶ τὸ σμικρὸν τὸ ἐν ἡμῖν οὐκ ἐθέλει ποτὲ μέγα γίγνεσθαι οὐδὲ εἶναι, οὐδ’ ἄλλο οὐδὲν τῶν ἐναντίων, ἔτι ὂν ὅπερ ἦν, ἅμα τοὐναντίον γίγνεσθαί τε καὶ εἶναι, ἀλλ’ ἤτοι ἀπέρχεται ἢ ἀπόλλυται ἐν τούτῳ τῷ παθήματι.
In the same way also the small in us is never willing to become great nor to be great, nor is any other of the opposites, while still being what it was, willing to become and be at the same time its opposite, but it either departs or perishes in this experience."