§2.664ΑΘ. τὸ σπαρέντων ποτὲ ὀδόντων ὁπλίτας ἐξ αὐτῶν φῦναι.
ATH. The story of the teeth that were once sown, and heavy-armed soldiers growing out of them.
καίτοι μέγα γʼ ἐστὶ νομοθέτῃ παράδειγμα τοῦ πείσειν ὅτι ἂν ἐπιχειρῇ τις πείθειν τὰς τῶν νέων ψυχάς, ὥστε οὐδὲν ἄλλο αὐτὸν δεῖ σκοποῦντα ἀνευρίσκειν ἢ τί πείσας μέγιστον ἀγαθὸν ἐργάσαιτο ἂν πόλιν, τούτου δὲ πέρι πᾶσαν μηχανὴν εὑρίσκειν ὅντινά ποτε τρόπον ἡ τοιαύτη συνοικία πᾶσα περὶ τούτων ἓν καὶ ταὐτὸν ὅτι μάλιστα φθέγγοιτʼ ἀεὶ διὰ βίου παντὸς ἔν τε ᾠδαῖς καὶ μύθοις καὶ λόγοις.
And yet, this is indeed a great proof for a lawgiver of his ability to persuade the souls of the young of whatever he attempts to persuade them; so that he needs to consider and discover nothing else than what, by persuading them of it, would work the greatest good for the city; and concerning this, he must find every device by which such an entire community might always, as much as possible, utter one and the same thing about these matters throughout their whole life, in songs, myths, and arguments.
εἰ δʼ οὖν ἄλλῃ πῃ δοκεῖ ἢ ταύτῃ, πρὸς ταῦτα οὐδεὶς φθόνος ἀμφισβητῆσαι τῷ λόγῳ.
But if, at any rate, it seems otherwise in some way, there is no grudge against contesting our argument.
ΚΛ. ἀλλʼ οὔ μοι φαίνεται πρός γε ταῦτα δύνασθαι ἡμῶν ἀμφισβητῆσαί ποτʼ ἂν οὐδέτερος.
CL. But it seems to me that neither of us could ever contest these points, at least.
ΑΘ. τὸ μετὰ τοῦτο τοίνυν ἐμὸν ἂν εἴη λέγειν.
ATH. In that case, it would be my task to speak of what comes next.
φημὶ γὰρ ἅπαντας δεῖν ἐπᾴδειν τρεῖς ὄντας τοὺς χοροὺς ἔτι νέαις οὔσαις ταῖς ψυχαῖς καὶ ἁπαλαῖς τῶν παίδων, τά τε ἄλλα καλὰ λέγοντας πάντα ὅσα διεληλύθαμέν τε καὶ ἔτι διέλθοιμεν ἄν, τὸ δὲ κεφάλαιον αὐτῶν τοῦτο ἔστω· τὸν αὐτὸν ἥδιστόν τε καὶ ἄριστον ὑπὸ θεῶν βίον λέγεσθαι φάσκοντες, ἀληθέστατα ἐροῦμεν ἅμα, καὶ μᾶλλον πείσομεν οὓς δεῖ πείθειν ἢ ἐὰν ἄλλως πως φθεγγώμεθα λέγοντες.
For I say that all three choruses must sing as an incantation to the souls of the children while they are still young and tender, telling them all the other beautiful things that we have gone through and may still go through; and let this be the sum of them: by declaring that the life which is sweetest and at the same time best is said by the gods to be one and the same, we shall at once speak most truly and persuade those whom we ought to persuade more than if we were to utter it in any other way.
ΚΛ. συγχωρητέον ἃ λέγεις.
CL. What you say must be agreed to.
ΑΘ. πρῶτον μὲν τοίνυν ὁ Μουσῶν χορὸς ὁ παιδικὸς ὀρθότατʼ ἂν εἰσίοι πρῶτος τὰ τοιαῦτα εἰς τὸ μέσον ᾀσόμενος ἁπάσῃ σπουδῇ καὶ ὅλῃ τῇ πόλει, δεύτερος δὲ ὁ μέχρι τριάκοντα ἐτῶν, τόν τε Παιᾶνα ἐπικαλούμενος μάρτυρα τῶν λεγομένων ἀληθείας πέρι καὶ τοῖς νέοις ἵλεων μετὰ πειθοῦς γίγνεσθαι ἐπευχόμενος.
ATH. First, then, the children's chorus of the Muses would most rightly enter first to sing such things in public with all earnestness and to the whole city; and second, the chorus of those up to thirty years of age, calling upon Paean as a witness of the truth of what is said, and praying that he may be gracious to the young, bringing persuasion along with him.
δεῖ δὲ δὴ καὶ ἔτι τρίτους τοὺς ὑπὲρ τριάκοντα ἔτη μέχρι τῶν ἑξήκοντα γεγονότας ᾄδειν· τοὺς δὲ μετὰ ταῦτα—οὐ γὰρ ἔτι δυνατοὶ φέρειν ᾠδάς—μυθολόγους περὶ τῶν αὐτῶν ἠθῶν διὰ θείας φήμης καταλελεῖφθαι.
And indeed, it is also necessary that a third chorus, consisting of those over thirty and up to sixty years of age, should sing; while those after these ages—since they are no longer able to sustain singing—should be left as storytellers about the same moral characters through divine revelation.
ΚΛ. λέγεις δέ, ὦ ξένε, τίνας τούτους τοὺς χοροὺς τοὺς τρίτους;
CL. But whom do you mean, my guest, by these third choruses?
οὐ γὰρ πάνυ συνίεμεν σαφῶς ὅτι ποτὲ βούλει φράζειν αὐτῶν πέρι.
For we do not quite clearly understand what you wish to say about them.
ΑΘ. καὶ μὴν εἰσίν γε οὗτοι σχεδὸν ὧν χάριν οἱ πλεῖστοι τῶν ἔμπροσθεν ἐρρήθησαν λόγων.
ATH. And yet, these are practically those for whose sake most of the preceding arguments were spoken.
ΚΛ. οὔπω μεμαθήκαμεν, ἀλλʼ ἔτι σαφέστερον πειρῶ φράζειν.
CL. We have not yet learned this, so try to explain it still more clearly.
ΑΘ. εἴπομεν, εἰ μεμνήμεθα, κατʼ ἀρχὰς τῶν λόγων, ὡς ἡ φύσις ἁπάντων τῶν νέων διάπυρος οὖσα ἡσυχίαν οὐχ οἵα τε ἄγειν οὔτε κατὰ τὸ σῶμα οὔτε κατὰ τὴν φωνὴν εἴη, φθέγγοιτο δʼ ἀεὶ ἀτάκτως καὶ πηδῷ, τάξεως δʼ αἴσθησιν τούτων ἀμφοτέρων, τῶν ἄλλων μὲν ζῴων οὐδὲν ἐφάπτοιτο, ἡ δὲ ἀνθρώπου φύσις ἔχοι μόνη τοῦτο·
ATH. We said, if we remember, at the beginning of our arguments, that the nature of all the young, being fiery, is unable to keep quiet either in body or in voice, but always utters in disorder and leaps, and that while no other animal attains a sense of order in both of these, the nature of man alone possesses this.