§316ΕΤ. ἐγὼ μὲν τά τε δίκαια δίκαια καὶ τὰ ἄδικα ἄδικα.
COMPANION: I, for my part, think that just things are just and unjust things unjust.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν καὶ παρὰ πᾶσιν οὕτως ὡς ἐνθάδε νομίζεται;
SOCRATES: Therefore, is it not also believed thus among all people, just as it is here?
ΕΤ. ναί.
COMPANION: Yes.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν καὶ ἐν Πέρσαις;
SOCRATES: And also among the Persians?
ΕΤ. καὶ ἐν Πέρσαις.
COMPANION: Among the Persians too.
ΣΩ. ἀλλὰ ἀεὶ δήπου;
SOCRATES: And always, of course?
ΕΤ. ἀεί.
COMPANION: Always.
ΣΩ. πότερον δὲ τὰ πλεῖον ἕλκοντα βαρύτερα νομίζεται ἐνθάδε, τὰ δὲ ἔλαττον κουφότερα, ἢ τοὐναντίον;
SOCRATES: And is it that which draws more weight that is believed to be heavier here, and that which draws less lighter, or the opposite?
ΕΤ. οὔκ, ἀλλὰ τὰ πλεῖον ἕλκοντα βαρύτερα, τὰ δὲ ἔλαττον κουφότερα.
COMPANION: No, but those that draw more are heavier, and those that draw less are lighter.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν καὶ ἐν Καρχηδόνι καὶ ἐν Λυκαίᾳ;
SOCRATES: Therefore, is it so both in Carthage and in Lycaia?
ΕΤ. ναί.
COMPANION: Yes.
ΣΩ. τὰ μὲν καλά, ὡς ἔοικε, πανταχοῦ νομίζεται καλὰ καὶ τὰ αἰσχρὰ αἰσχρά, ἀλλʼ οὐ τὰ αἰσχρὰ καλὰ οὐδὲ τὰ καλὰ αἰσχρά.
SOCRATES: Beautiful things, as it seems, are everywhere believed to be beautiful, and ugly things ugly; but ugly things are not believed to be beautiful, nor beautiful things ugly.
ΕΤ. οὕτως.
COMPANION: That is so.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν, ὡς κατὰ πάντων εἰπεῖν, τὰ ὄντα νομίζεται εἶναι, οὐ τὰ μὴ ὄντα, καὶ παρʼ ἡμῖν καὶ παρὰ τοῖς ἄλλοις ἅπασιν.
SOCRATES: Therefore, to speak of all things generally, those things which are are believed to be, and those which are not are not believed to be, both among us and among all others?
ΕΤ. ἔμοιγε δοκεῖ.
COMPANION: So it seems to me.
ΣΩ. ὃς ἂν ἄρα τοῦ ὄντος ἁμαρτάνῃ, τοῦ νομίμου ἁμαρτάνει.
SOCRATES: Consequently, whoever misses that which is, misses that which is lawful.
ΕΤ. οὕτω μέν, ὦ Σώκρατες, ὡς σὺ λέγεις, καὶ φαίνεται ταῦτα νόμιμα καὶ ἡμῖν ἀεὶ καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις· ἐπειδὰν δʼ ἐννοήσω ὅτι οὐδὲν παυόμεθα ἄνω κάτω μετατιθέμενοι τοὺς νόμους, οὐ δύναμαι πεισθῆναι.
COMPANION: In this way, Socrates, as you say, these things indeed appear to be lawful both for us always and for others; but when I consider that we never cease shifting our laws up and down, I cannot be persuaded.
ΣΩ. ἴσως γὰρ οὐκ ἐννοεῖς ταῦτα μεταπεττευόμενα ὅτι ταὐτά ἐστιν.
SOCRATES: For perhaps you do not consider that these things, though shifted like draughtsmen, are the same.
ἀλλʼ ὧδε μετʼ ἐμοῦ αὐτὰ ἄθρει. ἤδη ποτὲ ἐνέτυχες συγγράμματι περὶ ὑγιείας τῶν καμνόντων;
But examine them with me in this way: Have you ever before met with a writing concerning the health of the sick?
ΕΤ. ἔγωγε.
COMPANION: I have.
ΣΩ. οἶσθα οὖν τίνος τέχνης τοῦτʼ ἐστὶ τὸ σύγγραμμα;
SOCRATES: Do you know, then, to which art this writing belongs?
ΕΤ. οἶδα, ὅτι ἰατρικῆς.
COMPANION: I know; it is medicine.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν ἰατροὺς καλεῖς τοὺς ἐπιστήμονας περὶ τούτων;
SOCRATES: Therefore, do you call those who have knowledge about these things doctors?
ΕΤ. φημί.
COMPANION: Yes, I do.
ΣΩ. πότερον οὖν οἱ ἐπιστήμονες ταὐτὰ περὶ τῶν αὐτῶν νομίζουσιν ἢ ἄλλοι ἄλλα;
SOCRATES: Do those who have knowledge, then, hold the same opinions about the same things, or do different people hold different ones?
ΕΤ. ταὐτὰ ἔμοιγε δοκοῦσι.
COMPANION: The same, it seems to me.
ΣΩ. πότερον οἱ Ἕλληνες μόνοι τοῖς Ἕλλησιν ἢ καὶ οἱ βάρβαροι αὑτοῖς τε καὶ τοῖς Ἕλλησι, περὶ ὧν ἂν εἰδῶσι, ταὐτὰ νομίζουσι;
SOCRATES: Do the Greeks alone agree with the Greeks, or do the barbarians also agree both among themselves and with the Greeks, concerning the things which they know?
ΕΤ. ταὐτὰ δήπου πολλὴ ἀνάγκη ἐστὶν τοὺς εἰδότας αὐτοὺς αὑτοῖς συννομίζειν καὶ Ἕλληνας καὶ βαρβάρους.
COMPANION: It is a great necessity, I suppose, for those who know, both Greeks and barbarians, to hold the same opinions among themselves.
ΣΩ. καλῶς γε ἀπεκρίνω.
SOCRATES: Well answered.
οὐκοῦν καὶ ἀεί;
Therefore, is this also always so?
ΕΤ. ναί, καὶ ἀεί.
COMPANION: Yes, always too.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν καὶ οἱ ἰατροὶ συγγράφουσι περὶ ὑγιείας ἅπερ καὶ νομίζουσιν εἶναι;
SOCRATES: Therefore, do doctors also write about health those very things which they believe to be true?
ΕΤ. ναί.
COMPANION: Yes.
ΣΩ. ἰατρικὰ ἄρα καὶ ἰατρικοὶ νόμοι ταῦτα τὰ συγγράμματα ἐστὶν τὰ τῶν ἰατρῶν.
SOCRATES: Consequently, these writings of the doctors are medical writings and medical laws.
ΕΤ. ἰατρικὰ μέντοι.
COMPANION: Medical indeed.
ΣΩ. ἆρʼ οὖν καὶ τὰ γεωργικὰ συγγράμματα γεωργικοὶ νόμοι εἰσίν;
SOCRATES: Are, then, the agricultural writings also agricultural laws?
ΕΤ. ναί.
COMPANION: Yes.
ΣΩ. τίνων οὖν ἐστιν τὰ περὶ κήπων ἐργασίας συγγράμματα καὶ νόμιμα;
SOCRATES: Whose, then, are the writings and lawful rules concerning the cultivation of gardens?
ΕΤ. κηπουρῶν.
COMPANION: Gardeners'.
ΣΩ. κηπουρικοὶ ἄρα νόμοι ἡμῖν εἰσιν οὗτοι.
SOCRATES: Consequently, these are gardening laws for us.
ΕΤ. ναί.
COMPANION: Yes.
ΣΩ. τῶν ἐπισταμένων κήπων ἄρχειν;
SOCRATES: Belonging to those who know how to rule gardens?
ΕΤ. πῶς δʼ οὔ;
COMPANION: How could they not be?
ΣΩ. ἐπίστανται δʼ οἱ κηπουροί.
SOCRATES: And the gardeners know how.
ΕΤ. ναί.
COMPANION: Yes.
ΣΩ. τίνων δὲ τὰ περὶ ὄψου σκευασίας συγγράμματά τε καὶ νόμιμα;
SOCRATES: And whose are the writings and lawful rules concerning the preparation of cooked dishes?
ΕΤ. μαγείρων.
COMPANION: Cooks'.
ΣΩ. μαγειρικοὶ ἄρα οὗτοι νόμοι εἰσί;
SOCRATES: Consequently, these are cooking laws?
ΕΤ. μαγειρικοί.
COMPANION: Cooking laws.