§315ΕΤ. ναί.
COMPANION: Yes.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν ἡ ἀληθὴς δόξα τοῦ ὄντος ἐστὶν ἐξεύρεσις;
SOCRATES: Therefore, is true opinion the discovery of that which is?
ΕΤ. ἔστιν γάρ.
COMPANION: Indeed it is.
ΣΩ. ὁ νόμος ἄρα βούλεται τοῦ ὄντος εἶναι ἐξεύρεσις.
SOCRATES: Law, then, wishes to be the discovery of that which is.
ΕΤ. πῶς οὖν, ὦ Σώκρατες, εἰ ὁ νόμος ἐστὶν τοῦ ὄντος ἐξεύρεσις, οὐκ ἀεὶ τοῖς αὐτοῖς νόμοις χρώμεθα περὶ τῶν αὐτῶν, εἰ τὰ ὄντα γε ἡμῖν ἐξηύρηται;
COMPANION: How then, Socrates, if law is the discovery of that which is, do we not always use the same laws concerning the same things, if indeed the things that are have been discovered by us?
ΣΩ. βούλεται μὲν οὐδὲν ἧττον ὁ νόμος εἶναι τοῦ ὄντος ἐξεύρεσις· οἱ δʼ ἄρα μὴ τοῖς αὐτοῖς ἀεὶ νόμοις χρώμενοι ἄνθρωποι, ὡς δοκοῦμεν, οὐκ ἀεὶ δύνανται ἐξευρίσκειν ὃ βούλεται ὁ νόμος, τὸ ὄν.
SOCRATES: Law wishes none the less to be the discovery of that which is; but those people who do not always use the same laws, as it seems, are not always able to discover that which law wishes—namely, that which is.
ἐπεὶ φέρε ἴδωμεν ἐὰν ἄρα ἡμῖν ἐνθένδε κατάδηλον γένηται εἴτε τοῖς αὐτοῖς ἀεὶ νόμοις χρώμεθα ἢ ἄλλοτε ἄλλοις, καὶ εἰ ἅπαντες τοῖς αὐτοῖς ἢ ἄλλοι ἄλλοις.
For come, let us see if this might become clear to us from here: whether we always use the same laws or different ones at different times, and whether we all use the same or different people use different ones.
ΕΤ. ἀλλὰ τοῦτό γε, ὦ Σώκρατες, οὐ χαλεπὸν γνῶναι, ὅτι οὔτε οἱ αὐτοὶ ἀεὶ τοῖς αὐτοῖς νόμοις χρῶνται ἄλλοι τε ἄλλοις.
COMPANION: But this at least, Socrates, is not difficult to know: that neither do the same people always use the same laws, nor do different people use the same.
ἐπεὶ αὐτίκα ἡμῖν μὲν οὐ νόμος ἐστὶν ἀνθρώπους θύειν ἀλλʼ ἀνόσιον, Καρχηδόνιοι δὲ θύουσιν ὡς ὅσιον ὂν καὶ νόμιμον αὐτοῖς, καὶ ταῦτα ἔνιοι αὐτῶν καὶ τοὺς αὑτῶν ὑεῖς τῷ Κρόνῳ, ὡς ἴσως καὶ σὺ ἀκήκοας.
For instance, for us it is not law to sacrifice human beings but rather unholy, whereas the Carthaginians sacrifice them as being holy and lawful for them, and some of them even sacrifice their own sons to Kronos, as perhaps you too have heard.
καὶ μὴ ὅτι βάρβαροι ἄνθρωποι ἡμῶν ἄλλοις νόμοις χρῶνται, ἀλλὰ καὶ οἱ ἐν τῇ Λυκαίᾳ οὗτοι καὶ οἱ τοῦ Ἀθάμαντος ἔκγονοι οἵας θυσίας θύουσιν Ἕλληνες ὄντες.
And not only do barbarian men use different laws from us, but even those in Lycaia and the descendants of Athamas, what kind of sacrifices they perform, although they are Greeks!
ὥσπερ καὶ ἡμᾶς αὐτοὺς οἶσθά που καὶ αὐτὸς ἀκούων οἵοις νόμοις ἐχρώμεθα πρὸ τοῦ περὶ τοὺς ἀποθανόντας, ἱερεῖά τε προσφάττοντες πρὸ τῆς ἐκφορᾶς τοῦ νεκροῦ καὶ ἐγχυτιστρίας μεταπεμπόμενοι· οἱ δʼ αὖ ἐκείνων ἔτι πρότεροι αὐτοῦ καὶ ἔθαπτον ἐν τῇ οἰκίᾳ τοὺς ἀποθανόντας· ἡμεῖς δὲ τούτων οὐδὲν ποιοῦμεν.
Just as you yourself also know, I suppose, from hearsay, what kind of laws we ourselves used to use before concerning the dead, slaughtering victims before the burial of the corpse and sending for women to pour libations; while those who were still earlier than them even buried the dead right there in the house; but we do none of these things.
μυρία δʼ ἄν τις ἔχοι τοιαῦτα εἰπεῖν· πολλὴ γὰρ εὐρυχωρία τῆς ἀποδείξεως ὡς οὔτε ἡμεῖς ἡμῖν αὐτοῖς ἀεὶ κατὰ ταὐτὰ νομίζομεν οὔτε ἀλλήλοις οἱ ἄνθρωποι.
And one could have ten thousand such things to say; for there is a wide field for demonstrating that neither do we ourselves always agree with ourselves, nor do humans with one another.
ΣΩ. οὐδέν τοι θαυμαστόν ἐστιν, ὦ βέλτιστε, εἰ σὺ μὲν ὀρθῶς λέγεις, ἐμὲ δὲ τοῦτο λέληθεν.
SOCRATES: It is not at all surprising, my excellent friend, if you are speaking correctly and this has escaped my notice.
ἀλλʼ ἕως ἂν σύ τε κατὰ σαυτὸν λέγῃς ἅ σοι δοκεῖ μακρῷ λόγῳ καὶ πάλιν ἐγώ, οὐδὲν μή ποτε συμβῶμεν, ὡς ἐγὼ οἶμαι· ἐὰν δὲ κοινὸν τεθῇ τὸ σκέμμα, τάχʼ ἂν ὁμολογήσαιμεν.
But as long as you speak by yourself on what seems good to you in a long speech, and I in turn do the same, we shall never agree on anything, as I think; but if the inquiry is set down in common, perhaps we might agree.
εἰ μὲν οὖν βούλει, πυνθανόμενός τι παρʼ ἐμοῦ κοινῇ μετʼ ἐμοῦ σκόπει· εἰ δʼ αὖ βούλει, ἀποκρινόμενος.
If, then, you wish, inquire of me and examine with me in common; or if, on the other hand, you wish, by answering.
ΕΤ. ἀλλʼ ἐθέλω, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἀποκρίνεσθαι ὅτι ἂν βούλῃ.
COMPANION: But I am willing, Socrates, to answer whatever you wish.
ΣΩ. φέρε δὴ σύ, πότερα νομίζεις τὰ δίκαια ἄδικα εἶναι καὶ τὰ ἄδικα δίκαια, ἢ τὰ μὲν δίκαια δίκαια, τὰ δὲ ἄδικα ἄδικα;
SOCRATES: Come then, do you think that just things are unjust and unjust things just, or that just things are just and unjust things unjust?