§316ΣΩ. τοῦτό τʼ ἦν τὸ μειράκιον, καὶ τὼ Ἀδειμάντω ἀμφοτέρω, ὅ τε Κήπιδος καὶ ὁ Λευκολοφίδου, καὶ ἄλλοι τινὲς ἐφαίνοντο·
Socrates: This was the youth, and both of the Adeimantuses were also there, the son of Caepis and the son of Leucolophides, and some others appeared to be there.
περὶ δὲ ὧν διελέγοντο οὐκ ἐδυνάμην ἔγωγε μαθεῖν ἔξωθεν, καίπερ λιπαρῶς ἔχων ἀκούειν τοῦ Προδίκου—πάσσοφος γάρ μοι δοκεῖ ἁνὴρ εἶναι καὶ θεῖος—ἀλλὰ διὰ τὴν βαρύτητα τῆς φωνῆς βόμβος τις ἐν τῷ οἰκήματι γιγνόμενος ἀσαφῆ ἐποίει τὰ λεγόμενα.
But as for what they were discussing, I for my part was unable to learn from the outside, although I was eagerly desiring to hear Prodicus—for the man seems to me to be all-wise and divine—but because of the deepness of his voice, a kind of booming sound was created in the room, making what was said unclear.
καὶ ἡμεῖς μὲν ἄρτι εἰσεληλύθεμεν, κατόπιν δὲ ἡμῶν ἐπεισῆλθον Ἀλκιβιάδης τε ὁ καλός, ὡς φῂς σὺ καὶ ἐγὼ πείθομαι, καὶ Κριτίας ὁ Καλλαίσχρου.
And we had just entered, and behind us there entered both the beautiful Alcibiades, as you say and I believe, and Critias, the son of Callaeschrus.
ἡμεῖς οὖν ὡς εἰσήλθομεν, ἔτι σμίκρʼ ἄττα διατρίψαντες καὶ ταῦτα διαθεασάμενοι προσῇμεν πρὸς τὸν Πρωταγόραν, καὶ ἐγὼ εἶπον· ὦ Πρωταγόρα, πρὸς σέ τοι ἤλθομεν ἐγώ τε καὶ Ἱπποκράτης οὗτος. πότερον,
ἔφη,
μόνῳ βουλόμενοι διαλεχθῆναι ἢ καὶ μετὰ τῶν ἄλλων; ἡμῖν μέν, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, οὐδὲν διαφέρει· ἀκούσας δὲ οὗ ἕνεκα ἤλθομεν, αὐτὸς σκέψαι. τί οὖν δή ἐστιν,
ἔφη,
οὗ ἕνεκα ἥκετε; Ἱπποκράτης ὅδε ἐστὶν μὲν τῶν ἐπιχωρίων, Ἀπολλοδώρου ὑός, οἰκίας μεγάλης τε καὶ εὐδαίμονος, αὐτὸς δὲ τὴν φύσιν δοκεῖ ἐνάμιλλος εἶναι τοῖς ἡλικιώταις.
So when we entered, having spent a little more time there and observed these things, we went up to Protagoras, and I said: "Protagoras, it is to you indeed that we have come, both I and this Hippocrates here." "Is it," he said, "wishing to speak in private, or with the others as well?" "To us," I said, "it makes no difference; but once you have heard what we have come for, you yourself decide." "What is it then indeed," he said, "for which you have come?" "This Hippocrates here is one of the locals, a son of Apollodorus, of a great and wealthy house, and he himself seems to be a match for his contemporaries in nature.
ἐπιθυμεῖν δέ μοι δοκεῖ ἐλλόγιμος γενέσθαι ἐν τῇ πόλει, τοῦτο δὲ οἴεταί οἱ μάλιστʼ ἂν γενέσθαι, εἰ σοὶ συγγένοιτο·
And he seems to me to desire to become famous in the city, and he thinks this would best happen to him if he were to associate with you.
ταῦτʼ οὖν ἤδη σὺ σκόπει, πότερον περὶ αὐτῶν μόνος οἴει δεῖν διαλέγεσθαι πρὸς μόνους, ἢ μετʼ ἄλλων. ὀρθῶς,
ἔφη,
προμηθῇ, ὦ Σώκρατες, ὑπὲρ ἐμοῦ.
Now, therefore, you consider this, whether you think you should discuss these things alone with us in private, or with others." "You are right, Socrates," he said, "to take precautions on my behalf.
ξένον γὰρ ἄνδρα καὶ ἰόντα εἰς πόλεις μεγάλας, καὶ ἐν ταύταις πείθοντα τῶν νέων τοὺς βελτίστους ἀπολείποντας τὰς τῶν ἄλλων συνουσίας, καὶ οἰκείων καὶ ὀθνείων, καὶ πρεσβυτέρων καὶ νεωτέρων, ἑαυτῷ συνεῖναι ὡς βελτίους ἐσομένους διὰ τὴν ἑαυτοῦ συνουσίαν, χρὴ εὐλαβεῖσθαι τὸν ταῦτα πράττοντα· οὐ γὰρ σμικροὶ περὶ αὐτὰ φθόνοι τε γίγνονται καὶ ἄλλαι δυσμένειαί τε καὶ ἐπιβουλαί.
For a stranger who goes into great cities, and in these persuades the best of the youth to abandon the associations of others—both relatives and strangers, both older and younger—and to associate with himself on the ground that they will become better through his association, must be cautious when doing these things; for no small jealousies and other enmities and plots arise around them.
ἐγὼ δὲ τὴν σοφιστικὴν τέχνην φημὶ μὲν εἶναι παλαιάν, τοὺς δὲ μεταχειριζομένους αὐτὴν τῶν παλαιῶν ἀνδρῶν, φοβουμένους τὸ ἐπαχθὲς αὐτῆς, πρόσχημα ποιεῖσθαι καὶ προκαλύπτεσθαι, τοὺς μὲν ποίησιν, οἷον Ὅμηρόν τε καὶ Ἡσίοδον καὶ Σιμωνίδην, τοὺς δὲ αὖ τελετάς τε καὶ χρησμῳδίας, τοὺς ἀμφί τε Ὀρφέα καὶ Μουσαῖον·
But I say that the sophist's art is ancient, but those who practiced it among the ancient men, fearing the resentment it brings, made a screen of it and veiled themselves: some with poetry, such as Homer and Hesiod and Simonides; others, again, with mysteries and prophecies, those around Orpheus and Musaeus.
ἐνίους δέ τινας ᾔσθημαι καὶ γυμναστικήν, οἷον Ἴκκος τε ὁ Ταραντῖνος καὶ ὁ νῦν ἔτι ὢν οὐδενὸς ἥττων σοφιστὴς Ἡρόδικος ὁ Σηλυμβριανός, τὸ δὲ ἀρχαῖον Μεγαρεύς· μουσικὴν δὲ Ἀγαθοκλῆς τε ὁ ὑμέτερος πρόσχημα ἐποιήσατο, μέγας ὢν σοφιστής, καὶ Πυθοκλείδης ὁ Κεῖος καὶ ἄλλοι πολλοί.
And I have noticed some also used gymnastics, such as Iccus of Tarentum, and one who is still now a sophist second to none, Herodicus of Selymbria, originally a Megarian; and your own Agathocles made a screen of music, though he was a great sophist, as did Pythocleides of Ceos and many others.
οὗτοι πάντες, ὥσπερ λέγω, φοβηθέντες τὸν φθόνον ταῖς τέχναις ταύταις παραπετάσμασιν ἐχρήσαντο. §317ΣΩ. ἐγὼ δὲ τούτοις
ἅπασιν κατὰ τοῦτο εἶναι οὐ συμφέρομαι· ἡγοῦμαι γὰρ αὐτοὺς οὔ τι διαπράξασθαι ὃ ἐβουλήθησαν—οὐ γὰρ λαθεῖν τῶν ἀνθρώπων τοὺς δυναμένους ἐν ταῖς πόλεσι πράττειν, ὧνπερ ἕνεκα ταῦτʼ ἐστὶν τὰ προσχήματα·
All these, as I say, fearing jealousy, used these arts as screens." Socrates: But I do not agree with all these on this point; for I think they did not accomplish what they wished—for they did not escape the notice of those who have power to act in the cities, for whose sake indeed these screens exist; since the multitude, so to speak, notice nothing, but whatever these leaders proclaim, they sing its praises.
ἐπεὶ οἵ γε πολλοὶ ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν οὐδὲν αἰσθάνονται, ἀλλʼ ἅττʼ ἂν οὗτοι διαγγέλλωσι, ταῦτα ὑμνοῦσιν—τὸ οὖν ἀποδιδράσκοντα μὴ δύνασθαι ἀποδρᾶναι, ἀλλὰ καταφανῆ εἶναι, πολλὴ μωρία καὶ τοῦ ἐπιχειρήματος, καὶ πολὺ δυσμενεστέρους παρέχεσθαι ἀνάγκη τοὺς ἀνθρώπους· ἡγοῦνται γὰρ τὸν τοιοῦτον πρὸς τοῖς ἄλλοις καὶ πανοῦργον εἶναι.
Therefore, to try to run away and not be able to run away, but to be caught, is great folly in the attempt itself, and must of necessity make men far more hostile; for they consider such a person to be a rogue in addition to other things.
ἐγὼ οὖν τούτων τὴν ἐναντίαν ἅπασαν ὁδὸν ἐλήλυθα, καὶ ὁμολογῶ τε σοφιστὴς εἶναι καὶ παιδεύειν ἀνθρώπους, καὶ εὐλάβειαν ταύτην οἶμαι βελτίω ἐκείνης εἶναι, τὸ ὁμολογεῖν μᾶλλον ἢ ἔξαρνον εἶναι·
I, therefore, have gone quite the opposite way from these, and I admit both that I am a sophist and that I educate men, and I think this precaution is better than that one—admitting rather than denying.
καὶ ἄλλας πρὸς ταύτῃ ἔσκεμμαι, ὥστε, σὺν θεῷ εἰπεῖν, μηδὲν δεινὸν πάσχειν διὰ τὸ ὁμολογεῖν σοφιστὴς εἶναι. καίτοι πολλά γε ἔτη ἤδη εἰμὶ ἐν τῇ τέχνῃ·
And I have devised others besides this, so that, with God's help, I suffer no harm because of admitting that I am a sophist.
καὶ γὰρ καὶ τὰ σύμπαντα πολλά μοί ἐστιν— οὐδενὸς ὅτου οὐ πάντων ἂν ὑμῶν καθʼ ἡλικίαν πατὴρ εἴην —ὥστε πολύ μοι ἥδιστόν ἐστιν, εἴ τι βούλεσθε, περὶ τούτων ἁπάντων ἐναντίον τῶν ἔνδον ὄντων τὸν λόγον ποιεῖσθαι. καὶ ἐγώ—ὑπώπτευσα γὰρ βούλεσθαι αὐτὸν τῷ τε προδίκῳ καὶ τῷ Ἱππίᾳ ἐνδείξασθαι καὶ καλλωπίσασθαι ὅτι ἐρασταὶ αὐτοῦ ἀφιγμένοι εἶμεν— τί οὖν, ἔφην ἐγώ, οὐ καὶ πρόδικον καὶ Ἱππίαν ἐκαλέσαμεν καὶ τοὺς μετʼ αὐτῶν, ἵνα ἐπακούσωσιν ἡμῶν; πάνυ μὲν οὖν,
ἔφη ὁ Πρωταγόρας.
Yet I have already been many years in the art; for indeed my total years are many—there is no one of you all of whom I might not be the father in age—so that it is by far most pleasant to me, if you wish, to hold the discussion about all these things in front of those who are inside." And I—for I suspected that he wished to display himself to Prodicus and Hippias and to boast that we had come as admirers of his—said: "Why then did we not call both Prodicus and Hippias and those with them, so that they might listen to us?" "By all means," said Protagoras.
βούλεσθε οὖν,
ὁ Καλλίας ἔφη,
συνέδριον κατασκευάσωμεν, ἵνα καθεζόμενοι διαλέγησθε; ἐδόκει χρῆναι·
"Do you wish then," said Callias, "that we prepare a place of assembly, so that you may sit and discuss?" It seemed that we should; and all of us, glad at the prospect of hearing wise men, ourselves took hold of the benches and couches and arranged them near Hippias—for the benches were already there.
ἅσμενοι δὲ πάντες ἡμεῖς, ὡς ἀκουσόμενοι ἀνδρῶν σοφῶν, καὶ αὐτοί τε ἀντιλαβόμενοι τῶν βάθρων καὶ τῶν κλινῶν κατεσκευάζομεν παρὰ τῷ Ἱππίᾳ—ἐκεῖ γὰρ προϋπῆρχε τὰ βάθρα—ἐν δὲ τούτῳ Καλλίας τε καὶ Ἀλκιβιάδης ἡκέτην ἄγοντε τὸν πρόδικον, ἀναστήσαντες ἐκ τῆς κλίνης, καὶ τοὺς μετὰ τοῦ Προδίκου.
In the meantime Callias and Alcibiades came bringing Prodicus, having raised him from his bed, and those with Prodicus.
ἐπεὶ δὲ πάντες συνεκαθεζόμεθα, ὁ Πρωταγόρας,
νῦν δὴ ἄν,
ἔφη,
λέγοις, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἐπειδὴ καὶ οἵδε πάρεισιν, περὶ ὧν ὀλίγον πρότερον μνείαν ἐποιοῦ πρὸς ἐμὲ ὑπὲρ τοῦ νεανίσκου.
And when we were all seated together, Protagoras said: "Now indeed, Socrates, you may speak, since these men are also present, about what you made mention of to me a little while ago on behalf of the young man."