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Plato · Symposium §183

Customs of Athens and Conditions of Noble Love

Passage 8 of 36 · Greek

Summary

Pausanias points out the paradox in Athens where the passionate behavior of lovers is socially approved and praised, yet boys are restricted and monitored by their families; he concludes that love itself is neither good nor bad, and that only loving a noble character in a beautiful manner is constant and virtuous.

§183ἐνθυμηθέντι γὰρ ὅτι λέγεται κάλλιον τὸ φανερῶς ἐρᾶν τοῦ λάθρᾳ, καὶ μάλιστα τῶν γενναιοτάτων καὶ ἀρίστων, κἂν αἰσχίους ἄλλων ὦσι, καὶ ὅτι αὖ ἡ παρακέλευσις τῷ ἐρῶντι παρὰ πάντων θαυμαστή, οὐχ ὥς τι αἰσχρὸν ποιοῦντι, καὶ ἑλόντι τε καλὸν δοκεῖ εἶναι καὶ μὴ ἑλόντι αἰσχρόν, καὶ πρὸς τὸ ἐπιχειρεῖν ἑλεῖν ἐξουσίαν ὁ νόμος δέδωκε τῷ ἐραστῇ θαυμαστὰ ἔργα ἐργαζομένῳ ἐπαινεῖσθαι, ἃ εἴ τις τολμῴη ποιεῖν ἄλλʼ ὁτιοῦν διώκων καὶ βουλόμενος διαπράξασθαι πλὴν τοῦτο, φιλοσοφίας τὰ μέγιστα καρποῖτʼ ἂν ὀνείδη—εἰ γὰρ ἢ χρήματα βουλόμενος παρά του λαβεῖν ἢ ἀρχὴν ἄρξαι ἤ τινα ἄλλην δύναμιν ἐθέλοι ποιεῖν οἷάπερ οἱ ἐρασταὶ πρὸς τὰ παιδικά, ἱκετείας τε καὶ ἀντιβολήσεις ἐν ταῖς δεήσεσιν ποιούμενοι, καὶ ὅρκους ὀμνύντες, καὶ κοιμήσεις ἐπὶ θύραις, καὶ ἐθέλοντες δουλείας δουλεύειν οἵας οὐδʼ ἂν δοῦλος οὐδείς, ἐμποδίζοιτο ἂν μὴ πράττειν οὕτω τὴν πρᾶξιν καὶ ὑπὸ φίλων καὶ ὑπὸ ἐχθρῶν, τῶν μὲν ὀνειδιζόντων κολακείας καὶ ἀνελευθερίας, τῶν δὲ νουθετούντων καὶ αἰσχυνομένων ὑπὲρ αὐτῶν—τῷ δʼ ἐρῶντι πάντα ταῦτα ποιοῦντι χάρις ἔπεστι, καὶ δέδοται ὑπὸ τοῦ νόμου ἄνευ ὀνείδους πράττειν, ὡς πάγκαλόν τι πρᾶγμα διαπραττομένου· ὃ δὲ δεινότατον, ὥς γε λέγουσιν οἱ πολλοί, ὅτι καὶ ὀμνύντι μόνῳ συγγνώμη παρὰ θεῶν ἐκβάντι τῶν ὅρκων—ἀφροδίσιον γὰρ ὅρκον οὔ φασιν εἶναι· οὕτω καὶ οἱ θεοὶ καὶ οἱ ἄνθρωποι πᾶσαν ἐξουσίαν πεποιήκασι τῷ ἐρῶντι, ὡς ὁ νόμος φησὶν ὁ ἐνθάδε—ταύτῃ μὲν οὖν οἰηθείη ἄν τις πάγκαλον νομίζεσθαι ἐν τῇδε τῇ πόλει καὶ τὸ ἐρᾶν καὶ τὸ φίλους γίγνεσθαι τοῖς ἐρασταῖς.
For if one considers that to love openly is said to be more beautiful than to love in secret, and especially to love those who are most noble and best, even if they are uglier than others, and that, moreover, the encouragement given to the lover by everyone is wonderful, not as if he were doing something shameful, and if he succeeds, it is thought to be beautiful, and if he does not succeed, shameful, and that the law has given the lover, in his attempt to succeed, the freedom to be praised for performing wonderful deeds, which if anyone should dare to do while pursuing and desiring to accomplish any other end than this, he would reap the greatest reproaches from philosophy—for if, desiring to get money from someone, or to hold an office, or to obtain some other power, he should wish to do such things as lovers do toward their favorites, making entreaties and supplications in their petitions, and swearing oaths, and sleeping at doorsteps, and being willing to serve a servitude such as no slave would ever serve, he would be prevented from acting in this way both by friends and by enemies, the latter reproaching him for flattery and illiberality, and the former admonishing him and feeling ashamed on his behalf—but to the lover who does all these things, grace is added, and it is granted by the law to do them without reproach, as though he were accomplishing a most beautiful deed; and what is most extraordinary, as the many say at least, is that to him alone when he swears is forgiveness given by the gods if he transgresses his oaths—for they say that an oath of Aphrodite is no oath; thus both gods and men have given all freedom to the lover, as the law here says—on this ground, then, one might think that in this city both loving and becoming friends with lovers are deemed most beautiful.
ἐπειδὰν δὲ παιδαγωγοὺς ἐπιστήσαντες οἱ πατέρες τοῖς ἐρωμένοις μὴ ἐῶσι διαλέγεσθαι τοῖς ἐρασταῖς, καὶ τῷ παιδαγωγῷ ταῦτα προστεταγμένα ᾖ, ἡλικιῶται δὲ καὶ ἑταῖροι ὀνειδίζωσιν ἐάν τι ὁρῶσιν τοιοῦτον γιγνόμενον, καὶ τοὺς ὀνειδίζοντας αὖ οἱ πρεσβύτεροι μὴ διακωλύωσι μηδὲ λοιδορῶσιν ὡς οὐκ ὀρθῶς λέγοντας, εἰς δὲ ταῦτά τις αὖ βλέψας ἡγήσαιτʼ ἂν πάλιν αἴσχιστον τὸ τοιοῦτον ἐνθάδε νομίζεσθαι.
But when fathers, having set tutors over their beloved boys, do not allow them to converse with their lovers, and this has been commanded to the tutor, and their peers and companions reproach them if they see any such thing happening, and the elders in turn do not prevent those who reproach them, nor scold them as not speaking correctly, looking at these things in turn, one would think, on the contrary, that such a thing is deemed most shameful here.
τὸ δὲ οἶμαι ὧδʼ ἔχει· οὐχ ἁπλοῦν ἐστιν, ὅπερ ἐξ ἀρχῆς ἐλέχθη οὔτε καλὸν εἶναι αὐτὸ καθʼ αὑτὸ οὔτε αἰσχρόν, ἀλλὰ καλῶς μὲν πραττόμενον καλόν, αἰσχρῶς δὲ αἰσχρόν.
But the truth, I think, is as follows: it is not simple, just as was said from the beginning, that it is neither beautiful in itself nor shameful, but when performed beautifully, it is beautiful, and when shamefully, shameful.
αἰσχρῶς μὲν οὖν ἐστι πονηρῷ τε καὶ πονηρῶς χαρίζεσθαι, καλῶς δὲ χρηστῷ τε καὶ καλῶς.
Now, it is shameful to gratify a bad man in a bad way, but beautiful to gratify a good man in a beautiful way.
πονηρὸς δʼ ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ὁ ἐραστὴς ὁ πάνδημος, ὁ τοῦ σώματος μᾶλλον ἢ τῆς ψυχῆς ἐρῶν· καὶ γὰρ οὐδὲ μόνιμός ἐστιν, ἅτε οὐδὲ μονίμου ἐρῶν πράγματος.
And that lover is bad who is common, loving the body rather than the soul; for indeed he is not constant, since he loves an inconstant thing.
ἅμα γὰρ τῷ τοῦ σώματος ἄνθει λήγοντι, οὗπερ ἤρα, οἴχεται ἀποπτάμενος, πολλοὺς λόγους καὶ ὑποσχέσεις καταισχύνας· ὁ δὲ τοῦ ἤθους χρηστοῦ ὄντος ἐραστὴς διὰ βίου μένει, ἅτε μονίμῳ συντακείς.
For as soon as the bloom of the body, which he loved, fades, he is gone, flown away, bringing shame upon his many words and promises; but he who is a lover of a good character remains throughout life, since he is fused with what is constant.

Notes

  1. 182eἐνθυμηθέντι — The dative participle `ἐνθυμηθέντι` at the beginning of the sentence functions as a "dative of agent or judgment" ("if one considers..."), which loosely corresponds to the subject `τις` of the main verb `οἰηθείη ἄν` in 183c. The long series of intervening ὅτι-clauses and conditional constructions causes a slight anacoluthon.
  2. 183aφιλοσοφίας τὰ μέγιστα καρποῖτʼ ἂν ὀνείδη — `φιλοσοφίας` can be construed as a genitive of source ("reap from philosophy") or as referring to the community of philosophers. The verb `καρπόομαι` ("reap fruit") is used ironically with the negative object `ὀνείδη` ("reproaches"), meaning "to reap the greatest fruit in the form of reproaches."
  3. 183eοἴχεται ἀποπτάμενος — The verb `οἴχομαι` ("is gone") combined with the aorist participle `ἀποπτάμενος` ("having flown away") is an idiomatic expression emphasizing the suddenness and completeness of the departure ("he has flown away and is gone").

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Plato, Symposium §183. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg011.humanitext-grc2:183

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