§257ΣΩ. ἦ πολλὴν χάριν ὀφείλω σοι τῆς Θεαιτήτου γνωρίσεως, ὦ Θεόδωρε, ἅμα καὶ τῆς τοῦ ξένου.
SOCRATES: Indeed, I owe you much gratitude, Theodorus, for making me acquainted with Theaetetus and at the same time with the guest.
ΘΕΟ. τάχα δέ, ὦ Σώκρατες, ὀφειλήσεις ταύτης τριπλασίαν· ἐπειδὰν τόν τε πολιτικὸν ἀπεργάσωνταί σοι καὶ τὸν φιλόσοφον.
THEODORUS: Soon, Socrates, you will owe three times as much, when they finish depicting for you both the Statesman and the Philosopher.
ΣΩ. εἶεν·
SOCRATES: Well then!
οὕτω τοῦτο, ὦ φίλε Θεόδωρε, φήσομεν ἀκηκοότες εἶναι τοῦ περὶ λογισμοὺς καὶ τὰ γεωμετρικὰ κρατίστου;
Is this what we shall say we heard, my dear Theodorus, from the greatest expert in calculations and geometry?
ΘΕΟ. πῶς, ὦ Σώκρατες;
THEODORUS: How so, Socrates?
ΣΩ. τῶν ἀνδρῶν ἕκαστον θέντος τῆς ἴσης ἀξίας, οἳ τῇ τιμῇ πλέον ἀλλήλων ἀφεστᾶσιν ἢ κατὰ τὴν ἀναλογίαν τὴν τῆς ὑμετέρας τέχνης.
SOCRATES: Because you set each of these men at equal value, who differ in worth from each other more than according to the proportion of your art.
ΘΕΟ. εὖ γε νὴ τὸν ἡμέτερον θεόν, ὦ Σώκρατες, τὸν Ἄμμωνα, καὶ δικαίως, καὶ πάνυ μὲν οὖν μνημονικῶς ἐπέπληξάς μοι τὸ περὶ τοὺς λογισμοὺς ἁμάρτημα. καὶ σὲ μὲν ἀντὶ τούτων εἰς αὖθις μέτειμι·
THEODORUS: Excellent, by our god Ammon, Socrates! And justly and very mindfully you have rebuked my error in calculation.
σὺ δʼ ἡμῖν, ὦ ξένε, μηδαμῶς ἀποκάμῃς χαριζόμενος, ἀλλʼ ἑξῆς, εἴτε τὸν πολιτικὸν ἄνδρα πρότερον εἴτε τὸν φιλόσοφον προαιρῇ, προελόμενος διέξελθε.
I will get even with you for this on another occasion; but you, guest, do not grow weary in doing us a favor, but go through in order, whether you prefer to discuss the statesman first or the philosopher, whichever you choose.
ΞΕ. ταῦτʼ, ὦ Θεόδωρε, ποιητέον· ἐπείπερ ἅπαξ γε ἐγκεχειρήκαμεν, οὐκ ἀποστατέον πρὶν ἂν αὐτῶν πρὸς τὸ τέλος ἔλθωμεν.
STRANGER: This must be done, Theodorus; since we have once undertaken it, we must not stop until we come to the end of them.
ἀλλὰ γὰρ περὶ Θεαιτήτου τοῦδε τί χρὴ δρᾶν με;
But what should I do about this Theaetetus here?
ΘΕΟ. τοῦ πέρι;
THEODORUS: Concerning what?
ΞΕ. διαναπαύσωμεν αὐτὸν μεταλαβόντες αὐτοῦ τὸν συγγυμναστὴν τόνδε Σωκράτη; ἢ πῶς συμβουλεύεις;
STRANGER: Shall we let him rest and take instead his fellow-gymnast here, Socrates? Or how do you advise?
ΘΕΟ. καθάπερ εἶπες, μεταλάμβανε· νέω γὰρ ὄντε ῥᾷον οἴσετον πάντα πόνον ἀναπαυομένω.
THEODORUS: Just as you said, take him instead; for being young, they will bear every labor more easily if they rest in turn.
ΣΩ. καὶ μὴν κινδυνεύετον, ὦ ξένε, ἄμφω ποθὲν ἐμοὶ συγγένειαν ἔχειν τινά.
SOCRATES: And indeed they seem, guest, both of them to have some kinship with me.
§258ΣΩ. τὸν μέν γε οὖν ὑμεῖς κατὰ τὴν τοῦ προσώπου φύσιν ὅμοιον ἐμοὶ φαίνεσθαί φατε, τοῦ δʼ ἡμῖν ἡ κλῆσις ὁμώνυμος οὖσα καὶ ἡ πρόσρησις παρέχεταί τινα οἰκειότητα.
SOCRATES: The one of them, indeed, you say appears like me in the nature of his face, while the other's name, being homonymous, provides some kinship.
δεῖ δὴ τούς γε συγγενεῖς ἡμᾶς ἀεὶ προθύμως διὰ λόγων ἀναγνωρίζειν.
We must always eagerly recognize our kin through discussion.
Θεαιτήτῳ μὲν οὖν αὐτός τε συνέμειξα χθὲς διὰ λόγων καὶ νῦν ἀκήκοα ἀποκρινομένου, Σωκράτους δὲ οὐδέτερα· δεῖ δὲ σκέψασθαι καὶ τοῦτον.
I met with Theaetetus yesterday myself in discussion and now I have heard him answering, but with Socrates I have done neither; we must examine him too.
ἐμοὶ μὲν οὖν εἰς αὖθις, σοὶ δὲ νῦν ἀποκρινέσθω.
Let him answer me on another occasion, but now to you.
ΞΕ. ταῦτʼ ἔσται.
STRANGER: So it shall be.
ὦ Σώκρατες, ἀκούεις δὴ Σωκράτους;
Socrates, do you hear Socrates?
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. ναί.
YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes.
ΞΕ. συγχωρεῖς οὖν οἷς λέγει;
STRANGER: Do you agree then to what he says?
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
YOUNG SOCRATES: Entirely.
ΞΕ. οὐ τὰ σὰ κωλύειν φαίνεται, δεῖ δὲ ἴσως ἔτι ἧττον τἀμὰ διακωλύειν.
STRANGER: There seems to be no obstacle on your part, and perhaps still less on mine.
ἀλλὰ δὴ μετὰ τὸν σοφιστὴν ἀναγκαῖον, ὡς ἐμοὶ φαίνεται, πολιτικὸν διαζητεῖν νῷν· καί μοι λέγε πότερον τῶν ἐπιστημόνων τινʼ ἡμῖν καὶ τοῦτον θετέον, ἢ πῶς;
Well then, after the Sophist, we must investigate the Statesman together; and tell me, should we place him too among those who possess some science, or how?
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. οὕτως.
YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, so.
ΞΕ. τὰς ἐπιστήμας ἄρα διαληπτέον, ὥσπερ ἡνίκα τὸν πρότερον ἐσκοποῦμεν;
STRANGER: Must we then divide sciences, just as we did when we were investigating the former?
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. τάχʼ ἄν.
YOUNG SOCRATES: Perhaps so.
ΞΕ. οὐ μὲν δὴ κατὰ ταὐτόν γε, ὦ Σώκρατες, φαίνεταί μοι τμῆμα.
STRANGER: But it does not seem to me, Socrates, to be the same division.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. τί μήν;
YOUNG SOCRATES: Why not?
ΞΕ. κατʼ ἄλλο.
STRANGER: According to another.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. ἔοικέν γε.
YOUNG SOCRATES: So it seems.
ΞΕ. τὴν οὖν πολιτικὴν ἀτραπὸν πῇ τις ἀνευρήσει;
STRANGER: How then will someone find the path of statesmanship?
δεῖ γὰρ αὐτὴν ἀνευρεῖν, καὶ χωρὶς ἀφελόντας ἀπὸ τῶν ἄλλων ἰδέαν αὐτῇ μίαν ἐπισφραγίσασθαι, καὶ ταῖς ἄλλαις ἐκτροπαῖς ἓν ἄλλο εἶδος ἐπισημηναμένους πάσας τὰς ἐπιστήμας ὡς οὔσας δύο εἴδη διανοηθῆναι τὴν ψυχὴν ἡμῶν ποιῆσαι.
For we must find it, and separating it from the others, seal it with a single class, and marking the other branches with one other form, make our soul conceive of all sciences as being two classes.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. τοῦτʼ ἤδη σὸν οἶμαι τὸ ἔργον, ὦ ξένε, ἀλλʼ οὐκ ἐμὸν γίγνεται.
YOUNG SOCRATES: I think this is now your task, guest, and not mine.
ΞΕ. δεῖ γε μήν, ὦ Σώκρατες, αὐτὸ εἶναι καὶ σόν, ὅταν ἐμφανὲς ἡμῖν γένηται.
STRANGER: But it must be yours too, Socrates, when it becomes clear to us.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. καλῶς εἶπες.
YOUNG SOCRATES: Well said.
ΞΕ. ἆρʼ οὖν οὐκ ἀριθμητικὴ μὲν καί τινες ἕτεραι ταύτῃ συγγενεῖς τέχναι ψιλαὶ τῶν πράξεών εἰσι, τὸ δὲ γνῶναι παρέσχοντο μόνον;
STRANGER: Is it not the case that arithmetic and some other arts akin to it are bare of actions, and provide knowledge only?
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. ἔστιν οὕτως.
YOUNG SOCRATES: That is so.
ΞΕ. αἱ δέ γε περὶ τεκτονικὴν αὖ καὶ σύμπασαν χειρουργίαν ὥσπερ ἐν ταῖς πράξεσιν ἐνοῦσαν σύμφυτον τὴν ἐπιστήμην κέκτηνται, καὶ συναποτελοῦσι τὰ γιγνόμενα ὑπʼ αὐτῶν σώματα πρότερον οὐκ ὄντα.
STRANGER: While those concerned with carpentry and handiwork in general have their science inherent, as it were, in their activities, and complete the bodies produced by them which did not exist before.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. τί μήν;
YOUNG SOCRATES: Indeed.
ΞΕ. ταύτῃ τοίνυν συμπάσας ἐπιστήμας διαίρει, τὴν μὲν πρακτικὴν προσειπών, τὴν δὲ μόνον γνωστικήν.
STRANGER: In this way, then, divide all sciences, calling one practical, and the other purely cognitive.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. ἔστω σοι ταῦθʼ ὡς μιᾶς ἐπιστήμης τῆς ὅλης εἴδη δύο.
YOUNG SOCRATES: Let these be for you two classes of the single whole science.
ΞΕ. πότερον οὖν τὸν πολιτικὸν καὶ βασιλέα καὶ δεσπότην καὶ ἔτʼ οἰκονόμον θήσομεν ὡς ἓν πάντα ταῦτα προσαγορεύοντες, ἢ τοσαύτας τέχνας αὐτὰς εἶναι φῶμεν ὅσαπερ ὀνόματα ἐρρήθη;
STRANGER: Shall we then place the statesman, the king, the master, and further the householder as all one, addressing them all by this single term, or shall we say they are as many arts as names?
μᾶλλον δέ μοι δεῦρο ἕπου.
Rather, follow me here.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. πῇ;
YOUNG SOCRATES: Which way?