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Plato · Phaedo §61

Message to Evenus and the Prohibition of Suicide

Passage 4 of 55 · Greek

Summary

Socrates explains how he versified Aesop's fables to test his dreams and leaves a message for Evenus to follow him if he is wise, prompting a discussion on the prohibition of suicide.

§61ΦΑΙΔ. καὶ ἐγὼ ἔν γε τῷ πρόσθεν χρόνῳ ὅπερ ἔπραττον τοῦτο ὑπελάμβανον αὐτό μοι παρακελεύεσθαί τε καὶ ἐπικελεύειν, ὥσπερ οἱ τοῖς θέουσι διακελευόμενοι, καὶ ἐμοὶ οὕτω τὸ ἐνύπνιον ὅπερ ἔπραττον τοῦτο ἐπικελεύειν, μουσικὴν ποιεῖν, ὡς φιλοσοφίας μὲν οὔσης μεγίστης μουσικῆς, ἐμοῦ δὲ τοῦτο πράττοντος.
Phaedo: "And I, in the past, assumed that what I was doing was what the dream was bidding and encouraging me to do, just as those who cheer on runners; so the dream was encouraging me in what I was doing, namely to make music, on the ground that philosophy was the greatest music, and that I was practicing it.
νῦν δ’ ἐπειδὴ ἥ τε δίκη ἐγένετο καὶ ἡ τοῦ θεοῦ ἑορτὴ διεκώλυέ με ἀποθνῄσκειν, ἔδοξε χρῆναι, εἰ ἄρα πολλάκις μοι προστάττοι τὸ ἐνύπνιον ταύτην τὴν δημώδη μουσικὴν ποιεῖν, μὴ ἀπειθῆσαι αὐτῷ ἀλλὰ ποιεῖν·
But now, since the trial has taken place and the festival of the god prevented me from dying, it seemed necessary, in case the dream was repeatedly commanding me to make this popular music, not to disobey it but to make it.
ἀσφαλέστερον γὰρ εἶναι μὴ ἀπιέναι πρὶν ἀφοσιώσασθαι ποιήσαντα ποιήματα πιθόμενον τῷ ἐνυπνίῳ.
For it was safer not to depart before clearing my conscience by making poems in obedience to the dream.
οὕτω δὴ πρῶτον μὲν εἰς τὸν θεὸν ἐποίησα οὗ ἦν ἡ παροῦσα θυσία· μετὰ δὲ τὸν θεόν, ἐννοήσας ὅτι τὸν ποιητὴν δέοι, εἴπερ μέλλοι ποιητὴς εἶναι, ποιεῖν μύθους ἀλλ’ οὐ λόγους, καὶ αὐτὸς οὐκ ἦ μυθολογικός, διὰ ταῦτα δὴ οὓς προχείρους εἶχον μύθους καὶ ἠπιστάμην τοὺς Αἰσώπου, τούτων ἐποίησα οἷς πρώτοις ἐνέτυχον.
Thus, first I composed a hymn to the god whose present festival it was; and after the god, realizing that a poet, if he is to be a poet, must compose fables and not arguments, and since I myself was not a mythmaker, for this reason I took the fables of Aesop which I had at hand and knew, and put into verse the first ones I encountered.
ταῦτα οὖν, ὦ Κέβης, Εὐήνῳ φράζε, καὶ ἐρρῶσθαι καί, ἂν σωφρονῇ, ἐμὲ διώκειν ὡς τάχιστα.
Tell this, then, Cebes, to Evenus, and bid him farewell, and, if he is wise, to follow me as quickly as possible.
ἄπειμι δέ, ὡς ἔοικε, τήμερον· κελεύουσι γὰρ Ἀθηναῖοι. καὶ ὁ Σιμμίας, οἷον παρακελεύῃ, ἔφη, τοῦτο, ὦ Σώκρατες, Εὐήνῳ.
I am departing, as it seems, today; for the Athenians command it." And Simmias said, "What advice is this, Socrates, that you give to Evenus!
πολλὰ γὰρ ἤδη ἐντετύχηκα τῷ ἀνδρί· σχεδὸν οὖν ἐξ ὧν ἐγὼ ᾔσθημαι οὐδ’ ὁπωστιοῦν σοι ἑκὼν εἶναι πείσεται. τί δέ;
For I have often met the man; from what I have observed, he will not be at all willing to obey you, if he can help it." "Why?" said he.
ἦ δ’ ὅς, οὐ φιλόσοφος Εὔηνος; ἔμοιγε δοκεῖ, ἔφη ὁ Σιμμίας.
"Is Evenus not a philosopher?" "To me at least he seems so," said Simmias.
ἐθελήσει τοίνυν καὶ Εὔηνος καὶ πᾶς ὅτῳ ἀξίως τούτου τοῦ πράγματος μέτεστιν.
"Then Evenus will be willing, and so will everyone who shares worthily in this matter.
οὐ μέντοι ἴσως βιάσεται αὑτόν· οὐ γάρ φασι θεμιτὸν εἶναι. καὶ ἅμα λέγων ταῦτα καθῆκε τὰ σκέλη ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν, καὶ καθεζόμενος οὕτως ἤδη τὰ λοιπὰ διελέγετο.
However, he will probably not do violence to himself; for they say it is not permitted." And as he said this, he let down his legs to the ground, and sitting thus, he henceforth carried on the rest of the conversation.
ἤρετο οὖν αὐτὸν ὁ Κέβης· πῶς τοῦτο λέγεις, ὦ Σώκρατες, τὸ μὴ θεμιτὸν εἶναι ἑαυτὸν βιάζεσθαι, ἐθέλειν δ’ ἂν τῷ ἀποθνῄσκοντι τὸν φιλόσοφον ἕπεσθαι; τί δέ, ὦ Κέβης;
Then Cebes asked him: "How do you mean this, Socrates, that it is not permitted to do violence to oneself, and yet that the philosopher would be willing to follow one who is dying?" "Why, Cebes?
οὐκ ἀκηκόατε σύ τε καὶ Σιμμίας περὶ τῶν τοιούτων Φιλολάῳ συγγεγονότες; οὐδέν γε σαφές, ὦ Σώκρατες. ἀλλὰ μὴν καὶ ἐγὼ ἐξ ἀκοῆς περὶ αὐτῶν λέγω· ἃ μὲν οὖν τυγχάνω ἀκηκοὼς φθόνος οὐδεὶς λέγειν.
Have you and Simmias not heard about such things when you associated with Philolaus?" "Nothing clear, at least, Socrates." "But indeed, I too speak of them from hearsay; yet what I happen to have heard, there is no grudge against my telling.
καὶ γὰρ ἴσως καὶ μάλιστα πρέπει μέλλοντα ἐκεῖσε ἀποδημεῖν διασκοπεῖν τε καὶ μυθολογεῖν περὶ τῆς ἀποδημίας τῆς ἐκεῖ, ποίαν τινὰ αὐτὴν οἰόμεθα εἶναι· τί γὰρ ἄν τις καὶ ποιοῖ ἄλλο ἐν τῷ μέχρι ἡλίου δυσμῶν χρόνῳ; κατὰ τί δὴ οὖν ποτε οὔ φασι θεμιτὸν εἶναι αὐτὸν ἑαυτὸν ἀποκτεινύναι, ὦ Σώκρατες;
Indeed, perhaps it is especially fitting for one who is about to journey thither to examine and make myths about the journey thither, what kind of journey we think it is; for what else could one do in the time until the setting of the sun?" "On what ground, then, Socrates, do they say it is not permitted to kill oneself?
ἤδη γὰρ ἔγωγε, ὅπερ νυνδὴ σὺ ἤρου, καὶ Φιλολάου ἤκουσα, ὅτε παρ’ ἡμῖν διῃτᾶτο, ἤδη δὲ καὶ ἄλλων τινῶν, ὡς οὐ δέοι τοῦτο ποιεῖν· σαφὲς δὲ περὶ αὐτῶν οὐδενὸς πώποτε οὐδὲν ἀκήκοα.
For I myself, as you just asked, have already heard from Philolaus when he was living with us, and indeed from some others too, that one ought not to do this; but I have never heard anything clear about it from anyone."

Notes

  1. 61aὡς φιλοσοφίας μὲν οὔσης μεγίστης μουσικῆς — A combination of the particle ὡς (indicating subjective reason) and a genitive absolute (φιλοσοφίας ... οὔσης), representing Socrates' own interpretation or assumption at the time that "philosophy was the greatest music."
  2. 61aεἰ ἄρα πολλάκις μοι προστάττοι — The optative (προστάττοι) introduced by εἰ ἄρα is an oblique optative in indirect discourse dependent on the historical main verb ἔδοξε, expressing a tentative assumption or concern: "in case the dream was repeatedly commanding."
  3. 61cἑκὼν εἶναι — An idiomatic expression combining the adjective ἑκών (willing) and the absolute infinitive εἶναι used restrictively. It usually appears in negative contexts, meaning "if he can help it" or "voluntarily."
  4. 61cἐθέλειν δ’ ἂν τῷ ἀποθνῄσκοντι τὸν φιλόσοφον ἕπεσθαι — An infinitive construction in indirect discourse (dependent on λέγεις), where the potential optative of direct discourse (ἐθέλοι ἂν) has become an infinitive with ἂν (ἐθέλειν ἂν). The subject of the infinitive is the accusative τὸν φιλόσοφον, and the verb ἕπεσθαι (to follow) takes the dative τῷ ἀποθνῄσκοντι (the one dying).

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Plato, Phaedo §61. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg004.humanitext-grc2:61

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