§8.3.7μεταξὺ δὲ τοῦ Πηνειοῦ καὶ τῆς Σελλήεντος ἐμβολῆς Πύλος ᾠκεῖτο κατὰ τὸ Σκόλλιον, οὐχ ἡ τοῦ Νέστορος πόλις, ἀλλʼ ἑτέρα τις, ᾗ πρὸς τὸν Ἀλφειὸν οὐδέν ἐστι κοινώνημα, οὐδὲ πρὸς τὸν Παμισόν, εἴτε Ἄμαθον χρὴ καλεῖν.
Between the Peneius and the outlet of the Selleeis, Pylos was inhabited near Skollion—not the city of Nestor, but another one, which has nothing in common with the Alpheius, nor with the Pamisos, whether we should call it Amathos.
βιάζονται δʼ ἔνιοι μνηστευόμενοι τὴν Νέστορος δόξαν καὶ τὴν εὐγένειαν· τριῶν γὰρ Πύλων ἱστορουμένων ἐν Πελοποννήσῳ (καθότι καὶ τὸ ἔπος εἴρηται τουτί
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ἔστι Πύλος πρὸ Πύλοιο· Πύλος γε μέν ἐστι καὶ ἄλλος
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)τούτου τε καὶ τοῦ Λεπρεατικοῦ τοῦ ἐν τῇ Τριφυλίᾳ καὶ τῇ Πισάτιδι, τρίτου δὲ τοῦ Μεσσηνιακοῦ τοῦ κατὰ Κορυφάσιον, ἕκαστοι τὸν παρά σφισιν ἠμαθόεντα πειρῶνται δεικνύναι, καὶ τὴν τοῦ Νέστορος πατρίδα τοῦτον ἀποφαίνουσιν.
But some, courting the fame and noble birth of Nestor, do violence to the facts; for since three Pyloses are recorded in the Peloponnesus (in accordance with which this verse also is spoken: "There is a Pylos before Pylos; and indeed there is still another Pylos"), namely this one, the Lepreatic one in Triphylia and the Pisatis, and third the Messenian one near Koryphasion, each attempt to show that the one near them is the "sandy" Pylos, and they declare this to be the homeland of Nestor.
οἱ μὲν οὖν πολλοὶ τῶν νεωτέρων καὶ συγγραφέων καὶ ποιητῶν Μεσσήνιόν φασι τὸν Νέστορα, τῷ σωζομένῳ μέχρι εἰς αὐτοὺς προστιθέμενοι· οἱ δʼ Ὁμηρικώτεροι τοῖς ἔπεσιν ἀκολουθοῦντες τοῦτον εἶναί φασι τὸν τοῦ Νέστορος Πύλον, οὗ τὴν χώραν διέξεισιν ὁ Ἀλφειός· διέξεισι δὲ τὴν Πισᾶτιν καὶ τὴν Τριφυλίαν.
Now most of the later writers, both historians and poets, say that Nestor was a Messenian, agreeing with what is preserved down to their time; but the more Homeric ones, following the verses, say that this Pylos of Nestor is the one whose territory the Alpheius flows through; and it flows through the Pisatis and Triphylia.
οἱ δʼ οὖν ἐκ τῆς κοίλης Ἤλιδος καὶ τοιαύτην φιλοτιμίαν προσετίθεσαν τῷ παρʼ αὐτοῖς Πύλῳ, καὶ γνωρίσματα δεικνύντες Γέρηνον τόπον καὶ Γέροντα ποταμὸν καὶ ἄλλον Γεράνιον, εἶτʼ ἀπὸ τούτων ἐπιθέτως Γερήνιον εἰρῆσθαι πιστούμενοι τὸν Νέστορα.
At any rate, those from Hollow Elis also added such ambition to the Pylos near them, pointing out as evidence a place Gerenos, a river Geron, and another Geranios, and then, on the basis of these, attempting to prove that Nestor was called "Gerenian" epithetically from these.
τοῦτο δὲ ταὐτὸ καὶ οἱ Μεσσήνιοι πεποιήκασι, καὶ πιθανώτεροί γε φαίνονται· μᾶλλον γὰρ γνώριμά φασιν εἶναι τὰ παρʼ ἐκείνοις Γέρηνα, συνοικουμένην ποτὲ εὖ.
And the Messenians have done this very same thing, and indeed they seem more persuasive; for they say that the Gerenis near them, once well inhabited, is better known.
τοιαῦτα μὲν τὰ περὶ τὴν κοίλην Ἦλιν ὑπάρχοντα νυνί.
Such are the things that now exist concerning Hollow Elis.
§8.3.8ὁ δὲ ποιητὴς εἰς τέτταρα μέρη διελὼν τήνδε τὴν χώραν, τέτταρας δὲ καὶ τοὺς ἡγεμόνας εἰπών, οὐ σαφῶς εἴρηκεν
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οἳ δʼ ἄρα Βουπράσιόν τε καὶ Ἤλιδα δῖαν ἔναιον,
ὅσσον ἐφʼ Ὑρμίνη καὶ Μύρσινος ἐσχατόωσα
πέτρη τʼ Ὠλενίη καὶ Ἀλείσιον ἐντὸς ἐέργει,
τῶν αὖ τέσσαρες ἀρχοὶ ἔσαν, δέκα δʼ ἀνδρὶ ἑκάστῳ
νῆες ἕποντο θοαί· πολέες δʼ ἔμβαινον Ἐπειοί. "
τῷ μὲν γὰρ Ἐπειοὺς ἀμφοτέρους προσαγορεύειν τούς τε Βουπρασιεῖς καὶ τοὺς Ἠλείους, Ἠλείους δὲ μηκέτι καλεῖν τοὺς Βουπρασιεῖς, οὐ τὴν Ἠλείαν δόξειεν ἂν εἰς τέτταρα μέρη διαιρεῖν, ἀλλὰ τὴν τῶν Ἐπειῶν, ἣν εἰς δύο μέρη διεῖλε πρότερον· οὐδʼ ἂν μέρος εἴη τῆς Ἤλιδος τὸ Βουπράσιον, ἀλλὰ τῶν Ἐπειῶν μᾶλλον.
But the poet, having divided this country into four parts, and having said that the leaders also were four, has not spoken clearly: "And they that dwelt in Bouprasion and divine Elis, as much as Hyrmine and outermost Myrsinos and the Olenian rock and Aleision enclose within, of these again there were four leaders, and ten swift ships followed each man; and many Epeians embarked." For by addressing both the Bouprasians and the Eleians as "Epeians", and no longer calling the Bouprasians "Eleians", he would seem not to divide Eleia into four parts, but rather the land of the Epeians, which he previously divided into two parts; nor would Bouprasion be a part of Elis, but rather of the Epeians.
ὅτι γὰρ Ἐπειοὺς καλεῖ τοὺς Βουπρασίους, δῆλον
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ὡς ὁπότε κρείοντʼ Ἀμαρυγκέα θάπτον Ἐπειοὶ
Βουπρασίῳ. "
πάλιν δὲ τῷ συγκαταριθμεῖσθαι Βουπράσιόν τε καὶ Ἤλιδα δῖαν λέγοντα, εἶτʼ εἰς τέτταρας διαιρεῖν μερίδας, ὡς ἂν κοινῷ δοκεῖ τῷ τε Βουπρασίῳ καὶ τῇ Ἤλιδι αὐτὰς ὑποτάττειν.
For that he calls the Bouprasians Epeians is clear: "As when the Epeians were burying lord Amarynkeus in Bouprasion." But on the other hand, by listing Bouprasion and divine Elis together, and then dividing them into four portions, he seems to subordinate them to both Bouprasion and Elis as a common whole.
ἦν δʼ, ὡς ἔοικε, κατοικία τῆς Ἠλείας τὸ Βουπράσιον ἀξιόλογος, ἣ νῦν οὐκέτʼ ἐστίν· ἡ δὲ χώρα καλεῖται μόνον οὕτως ἡ ἐπὶ τῆς ὁδοῦ τῆς ἐπὶ Δύμην ἐξ Ἤλιδος τῆς νῦν πόλεως.
And Bouprasion was, as it seems, a remarkable settlement of Eleia, which now no longer exists; and only the territory is called thus, being on the road to Dyme from the present city of Elis.
ὑπολάβοι δʼ ἄν τις καὶ ὑπεροχήν τινα ἔχειν τότε τὸ Βουπράσιον παρὰ τὴν Ἦλιν, ὥσπερ καὶ οἱ Ἐπειοὶ παρὰ τούτους· ὕστερον δʼ ἀντʼ Ἐπειῶν Ἠλεῖοι ἐκλήθησαν.
And one might suppose that Bouprasion also had a certain superiority at that time over Elis, just as the Epeians did over these; but later they were called Eleians instead of Epeians.
καὶ τὸ Βουπράσιον μὲν δὴ μέρος ἦν τῆς Ἤλιδος.
And indeed Bouprasion was a part of Elis.
ποιητικῷ δέ τινι σχήματι συγκαταλέγειν τὸ μέρος τῷ ὅλῳ φασὶ τὸν Ὅμηρον, ὡς τό
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ἀνʼ Ἑλλάδα καὶ μέσον Ἄργος
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καί
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ἀνʼ Ἑλλάδα τε Φθίην τε
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; καὶ
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Κουρῆτές τʼ ἐμάχοντο καὶ Αἰτωλοί,
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καὶ
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οἱ δʼ ἐκ Δουλιχίοιο Ἐχινάων θʼ ἱεράων. "
καὶ γὰρ τὸ Δουλίχιον τῶν Ἐχινάδων.
And they say that Homer, by a certain poetic figure, lists the part along with the whole, like this: "throughout Hellas and mid-Argos" and: "throughout Hellas and Phthia"; and: "the Kouretes and the Aetolians fought," and: "those from Doulichion and the sacred Echinades." For indeed Doulichion is one of the Echinades.
χρῶνται δὲ καὶ οἱ νεώτεροι· Ἱππῶναξ μέν
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Κυπρίων βέκος φαγοῦσι καὶ Ἀμαθουσίων πυρόν· "
Κύπριοι γὰρ καὶ οἱ Ἀμαθούσιοι· καὶ Ἀλκμὰν δέ
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Κύπρον ἱμερτὰν λιποῖσα καὶ Πάφον περιρρύταν
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καὶ Αἰσχύλος
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Κύπρου Πάφου τʼ ἔχουσα πάντα κλῆρον. "
εἰ δʼ οὐκ εἴρηκεν Ἠλείους τοὺς Βουπρασίους, οὐδʼ ἄλλα πολλὰ τῶν ὄντων, φήσομεν· ἀλλὰ τοῦτʼ οὐκ ἔστιν ἀπόδειξις τοῦ μὴ εἶναι, ἀλλὰ τοῦ μὴ εἰπεῖν μόνον.
And the later writers also use this: Hipponax says: "eating the barley-bread of the Cyprians and the wheat of the Amathousians;" for the Amathousians are also Cyprians; and Alkman also says: "leaving lovely Cyprus and sea-girt Paphos" and Aeschylus: "holding the whole allotment of Cyprus and Paphos." But if he has not called the Bouprasians Eleians, we shall say that neither has he mentioned many other things that exist; but this is not a proof of non-existence, but only of not having spoken.