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Lucian · Dialogues of The Gods §15.1-15.2

Dispute Between Heracles and Asclepius over Precedence

Passage 15 of 25 · Greek

Summary

At a heavenly banquet, Asclepius and Heracles dispute who should recline in the higher position, insulting each other's past disgraces and origins, until Zeus intervenes and decides in favor of Asclepius on the grounds that he died first.

§15.1ΖΕΥΣ Παύσασθε, ὦ Ἀσκληπιὲ καὶ Ἡράκλεις, ἐρίζοντες πρὸς ἀλλήλους ὥσπερ ἄνθρωποι· ἀπρεπῆ γὰρ ταῦτα καὶ ἀλλότρια τοῦ συμποσίου τῶν θεῶν.
ZEUS Stop quarreling with each other like humans, Asclepius and Heracles; for these things are unseemly and foreign to the banquet of the gods.
ΗΡΑΚΛΗΣ Ἀλλὰ θέλεις, ὦ Ζεῦ, τουτονὶ τὸν φαρμακέα προκατακλίνεσθαί μου;
HERACLES But do you wish, O Zeus, for this drug-seller to recline above me?
ΑΣΚΛΗΠΙΟΣ Νὴ Δία·
ASCLEPIUS Yes, by Zeus!
καὶ γάρ ἀμείνων εἰμί.
For indeed I am better than you.
ΗΡΑΚΛΗΣ Κατὰ τί, ὦ ἐμβρόντητε;
HERACLES In what way, you thunderstruck fool?
ἢ ὅτι σε ὁ Ζεὺς ἐκεραύνωσεν ἃ μὴ θέμις ποιοῦντα, νῦν δὲ κατ' ἔλεον αὖθις ἀθανασίας μετείληφας;
Is it because Zeus struck you with a thunderbolt for doing what was unlawful, and now out of pity you have again received a share of immortality?
ΑΣΚΛΗΠΙΟΣ Ἐπιλέλησαι γὰρ καὶ σύ, ὦ Ἡράκλεις, ἐν τῇ Οἴτῃ καταφλεγείς, ὅτι μοι ὀνειδίζεις τὸ πῦρ;
ASCLEPIUS Have you too forgotten, Heracles, that you were burned to death on Oeta, that you reproach me with fire?
ΗΡΑΚΛΗΣ Οὔκουν ἴσα καὶ ὅμοια βεβίωται ἡμῖν, ὃς Διὸς μὲν υἱός εἰμι, τοσαῦτα δὲ πεπόνηκα ἐκκαθαίρων τὸν βίον, θηρία καταγωνιζόμενος καὶ ἀνθρώπους ὑβριστὰς τιμωρούμενος·
HERACLES Our lives have by no means been equal and alike!
σὺ δὲ ῥιζοτόμος εἶ καὶ ἀγύρτης, ἐν ἀθλίοις δὲ ἴσως ἀνθρώποις χρήσιμος ἐπιθέσει τῶν φαρμάκων, ἀνδρῶδες δὲ οὐδὲν ἐπιδεδειγμένος.
I, who am a son of Zeus, have undergone so many labors to cleanse the world, overcoming wild beasts and punishing insolent men; whereas you are a root-cutter and a quack, useful perhaps to miserable men for applying drugs, but having shown nothing manly.
§15.2ΑΣΚΛΗΠΙΟΣ Οὐ λέγεις, ὅτι σου τὰ ἐγκαύματα ἰασάμην, ὅτε πρῴην ἀνῆλθες ἡμίφλεκτος ὑπ' ἀμφοῖν διεφθορὼς τὸ σῶμα, καὶ τοῦ χιτῶνος καὶ μετὰ τοῦτο τοῦ πυρός;
ASCLEPIUS Do you not mention that I cured your burns, when you came up recently half-burnt, your body ruined by both—by the tunic, and after that, by the fire?
ἐγὼ δὲ εἰ καὶ μηδὲν ἄλλο, οὔτε ἐδούλευσα ὥσπερ σὺ οὔτε ἔξαινον ἔρια ἐν Λυδίᾳ πορφυρίδα ἐνδεδυκὼς καὶ παιόμενος ὑπὸ τῆς Ὀμφάλης χρυσῷ σανδάλῳ, ἀλλὰ οὐδὲ μελαγχολήσας ἀπέκτεινα τὰ τέκνα καὶ τὴν γυναῖκα.
As for me, even if nothing else, I neither served as a slave as you did, nor did I card wool in Lydia clad in a purple robe and beaten by Omphale with her golden sandal, nor indeed did I kill my children and wife in a fit of madness.
ΗΡΑΚΛΗΣ Εἰ μὴ παύσῃ λοιδορούμενός μοι, αὐτίκα μάλα εἴσῃ ὅτι οὐ πολύ σε ὀνήσει ἡ ἀθανασία, ἐπεὶ ἀράμενός σε ῥίψω ἐπὶ κεφαλὺν ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ, ὥστε μηδὲ τὸν Παιῶνα ἰάσασθαί σε τὸ κρανίον συντριβέντα.
HERACLES If you do not stop insulting me, you will find out this very moment that your immortality will be of little use to you; for I will pick you up and fling you headfirst from heaven, so that not even Paeon will be able to cure you when your skull is shattered.
ΖΕΥΣ Παύσασθε, φημί, καὶ μὴ ἐπιταράττετε ἡμῖν τὴν εὐωχίαν, ἢ ἀμφοτέρους ὑμᾶς ἀποπέμψομαι τοῦ συμποσίου.
ZEUS Stop, I say, and do not disturb our feast, or I will dismiss you both from the banquet.
καίτοι εὔγνωμον, ὦ Ἡράκλεις, προκατακλίνεσθαί σου τὸν Ἀσκληπιὸν ἅτε καὶ πρότερον ἀποθανόντα.
And yet, Heracles, it is reasonable for Asclepius to recline above you, inasmuch as he died before you.

Notes

  1. 236ἃ μὴ θέμις ποιοῦντα — The relative pronoun `ἃ` (neuter plural accusative) forms a relative clause without an antecedent ("things which are not lawful") and serves as the direct object of the present participle `ποιοῦντα` (masculine singular accusative, modifying `σε`). The negative particle `μή` is used to express general or conditional unlawfulness.
  2. p.v.7.p.314Οὔκουν ἴσα καὶ ὅμοια βεβίωται ἡμῖν — The verb `βεβίωται` (third-person singular perfect passive indicative of `βιόω`) is used either impersonally or with `ἴσα καὶ ὅμοια` (neuter plural nominative) as its subject. `ἡμῖν` (first-person plural dative) is a dative of agent commonly used with the perfect passive, forming the literal meaning "it has not been lived equally and similarly by us."
  3. 237ὑπ' ἀμφοῖν... καὶ τοῦ χιτῶνος καὶ μετὰ τοῦτο τοῦ πυρός — The genitives `τοῦ χιτῶνος` and `τοῦ πυρός` function as appositives to the dual genitive `ἀμφοῖν` governed by the preposition `ὑπό` ("by both"). The insertion of `μετὰ τοῦτο` ("after this") sequences the two causes of Heracles' death: the poisoned tunic of Nessus and the subsequent funeral pyre.

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Lucian, Dialogues of The Gods §15.1-15.2. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg068.humanitext-grc3:15.1-15.2

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