§8.561ἆρʼ οὐχ οὕτω πως, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, νέος ὢν μεταβάλλει ἐκ τοῦ ἐν ἀναγκαίοις ἐπιθυμίαις τρεφομένου τὴν τῶν μὴ ἀναγκαίων καὶ ἀνωφελῶν ἡδονῶν ἐλευθέρωσίν τε καὶ ἄνεσιν; καὶ μάλα γʼ, ἦ δʼ ὅς, ἐναργῶς. Ζῇ δὴ οἶμαι μετὰ ταῦτα ὁ τοιοῦτος οὐδὲν μᾶλλον εἰς ἀναγκαίους ἢ μὴ ἀναγκαίους ἡδονὰς ἀναλίσκων καὶ χρήματα καὶ πόνους καὶ διατριβάς·
"Is it not in some such way," I said, "that a young man, from being reared in necessary desires, changes to the liberation and release of unnecessary and useless pleasures?" "Very much so," he said, "clearly." "I suppose, then, that after this such a man lives, spending money, labor, and time no more on necessary than on unnecessary pleasures.
ἀλλʼ ἐὰν εὐτυχὴς ᾖ καὶ μὴ πέρα ἐκβακχευθῇ, ἀλλά τι καὶ πρεσβύτερος γενόμενος τοῦ πολλοῦ θορύβου παρελθόντος μέρη τε καταδέξηται τῶν ἐκπεσόντων καὶ τοῖς ἐπεισελθοῦσι μὴ ὅλον ἑαυτὸν ἐνδῷ, εἰς ἴσον δή τι καταστήσας τὰς ἡδονὰς διάγει, τῇ παραπιπτούσῃ ἀεὶ ὥσπερ λαχούσῃ τὴν ἑαυτοῦ ἀρχὴν παραδιδοὺς ἕως ἂν πληρωθῇ, καὶ αὖθις ἄλλῃ, οὐδεμίαν ἀτιμάζων ἀλλʼ ἐξ ἴσου τρέφων. πάνυ μὲν οὖν. καὶ λόγον γε, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, ἀληθῆ οὐ προσδεχόμενος οὐδὲ παριεὶς εἰς τὸ φρούριον, ἐάν τις λέγῃ ὡς αἱ μέν εἰσι τῶν καλῶν τε καὶ ἀγαθῶν ἐπιθυμιῶν ἡδοναί, αἱ δὲ τῶν πονηρῶν, καὶ τὰς μὲν χρὴ ἐπιτηδεύειν καὶ τιμᾶν, τὰς δὲ κολάζειν τε καὶ δουλοῦσθαι·
But if he is fortunate and does not run mad beyond measure, but rather, as he grows somewhat older and the great tumult has passed, he receives back some parts of the exiled desires and does not surrender himself entirely to those that have invaded, then, having established his pleasures on a footing of equality, he lives his life, always handing over the rule of himself to the pleasure that happens along, as if it had won the lot, until it is satisfied, and then in turn to another, dishonoring none but nurturing them all on equal terms." "Very much so." "And," I said, "he does not accept nor admit into the fortress any true word, if someone should say that some pleasures belong to beautiful and good desires, and others to bad ones, and that the former should be cultivated and honored, but the latter disciplined and enslaved.
ἀλλʼ ἐν πᾶσι τούτοις ἀνανεύει τε καὶ ὁμοίας φησὶν ἁπάσας εἶναι καὶ τιμητέας ἐξ ἴσου. σφόδρα γάρ, ἔφη, οὕτω διακείμενος τοῦτο δρᾷ. οὐκοῦν, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, καὶ διαζῇ τὸ καθʼ ἡμέραν οὕτω χαριζόμενος τῇ προσπιπτούσῃ ἐπιθυμίᾳ, τοτὲ μὲν μεθύων καὶ καταυλούμενος, αὖθις δὲ ὑδροποτῶν καὶ κατισχναινόμενος, τοτὲ δʼ αὖ γυμναζόμενος, ἔστιν δʼ ὅτε ἀργῶν καὶ πάντων ἀμελῶν, τοτὲ δʼ ὡς ἐν φιλοσοφίᾳ διατρίβων.
Instead, at all these things he shakes his head and says that they are all alike and must be honored on equal terms." "Very much so," he said, "disposed in this way, he does just that." "Then," I said, "he also lives his life from day to day, gratifying the desire that happens along: at one time getting drunk and listening to the flute, and then in turn drinking water and dieting; at another time, again, exercising, and sometimes idling and neglecting everything, and at other times spending his time as if in philosophy.
πολλάκις δὲ πολιτεύεται, καὶ ἀναπηδῶν ὅτι ἂν τύχῃ λέγει τε καὶ πράττει·
And often he engages in politics, and jumping up, he says and does whatever happens to come to him.
κἄν ποτέ τινας πολεμικοὺς ζηλώσῃ, ταύτῃ φέρεται, ἢ χρηματιστικούς, ἐπὶ τοῦτʼ αὖ.
And if he ever envies any military men, he is carried in that direction, or if money-makers, in that direction again.
καὶ οὔτε τις τάξις οὔτε ἀνάγκη ἔπεστιν αὐτοῦ τῷ βίῳ, ἀλλʼ ἡδύν τε δὴ καὶ ἐλευθέριον καὶ μακάριον καλῶν τὸν βίον τοῦτον χρῆται αὐτῷ διὰ παντός. παντάπασιν, ἦ δʼ ὅς, διελήλυθας βίον ἰσονομικοῦ τινος ἀνδρός. οἶμαι δέ γε, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, καὶ παντοδαπόν τε καὶ πλείστων ἠθῶν μεστόν, καὶ τὸν καλόν τε καὶ ποικίλον, ὥσπερ ἐκείνην τὴν πόλιν, τοῦτον τὸν ἄνδρα εἶναι· ὃν πολλοὶ ἂν καὶ πολλαὶ ζηλώσειαν τοῦ βίου, παραδείγματα πολιτειῶν τε καὶ τρόπων πλεῖστα ἐν αὐτῷ ἔχοντα. οὗτος γάρ, ἔφη, ἔστιν.
And there is neither order nor necessity in his life, but calling this life pleasant, free, and blessed, he uses it throughout." "You have completely," he said, "described the life of a certain man of equal rights." "And I think, indeed," I said, "that this man is also multi-faceted and full of the most varied characters, and like that city, both beautiful and many-colored; whom many men and many women would envy for his life, possessing as he does in himself the greatest number of examples of constitutions and characters." "Indeed," he said, "that is the man."