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Plato · Ion §534

Poetic Madness and Poets as Interpreters of the Gods

Passage 4 of 8 · Greek

Summary

Socrates argues that good poets compose beautiful poems not by art but by being possessed and inspired by the gods, illustrating this with the example of the poor poet Tynnichus composing a masterpiece to show that poets are merely interpreters of the gods.

§534ΣΩ. πάντες γὰρ οἵ τε τῶν ἐπῶν ποιηταὶ οἱ ἀγαθοὶ οὐκ ἐκ τέχνης ἀλλʼ ἔνθεοι ὄντες καὶ κατεχόμενοι πάντα ταῦτα τὰ καλὰ λέγουσι ποιήματα, καὶ οἱ μελοποιοὶ οἱ ἀγαθοὶ ὡσαύτως, ὥσπερ οἱ κορυβαντιῶντες οὐκ ἔμφρονες ὄντες ὀρχοῦνται, οὕτω καὶ οἱ μελοποιοὶ οὐκ ἔμφρονες ὄντες τὰ καλὰ μέλη ταῦτα ποιοῦσιν, ἀλλʼ ἐπειδὰν ἐμβῶσιν εἰς τὴν ἁρμονίαν καὶ εἰς τὸν ῥυθμόν, βακχεύουσι καὶ κατεχόμενοι, ὥσπερ αἱ βάκχαι ἀρύονται ἐκ τῶν ποταμῶν μέλι καὶ γάλα κατεχόμεναι, ἔμφρονες δὲ οὖσαι οὔ, καὶ τῶν μελοποιῶν ἡ ψυχὴ τοῦτο ἐργάζεται, ὅπερ αὐτοὶ λέγουσι.
Socrates: For all the good epic poets utter all these beautiful poems not by art, but because they are inspired and possessed, and the good lyric poets likewise; just as the Corybantes dance when they are not in their right mind, so too the lyric poets compose these beautiful songs when they are not in their right mind, but when they enter into harmony and rhythm, they practice Bacchic frenzy and are possessed; just as the Bacchic women draw honey and milk from the rivers when they are possessed, but not when they are in their right mind, so too the soul of the lyric poets performs this very thing, which they themselves say.
λέγουσι γὰρ δήπουθεν πρὸς ἡμᾶς οἱ ποιηταὶ ὅτι ἀπὸ κρηνῶν μελιρρύτων ἐκ Μουσῶν κήπων τινῶν καὶ ναπῶν δρεπόμενοι τὰ μέλη ἡμῖν φέρουσιν ὥσπερ αἱ μέλιτται, καὶ αὐτοὶ οὕτω πετόμενοι· καὶ ἀληθῆ λέγουσι.
For the poets surely tell us that they bring us songs gathered from honey-flowing springs in certain gardens and glens of the Muses, flying like bees just as they do; and they speak the truth.
κοῦφον γὰρ χρῆμα ποιητής ἐστιν καὶ πτηνὸν καὶ ἱερόν, καὶ οὐ πρότερον οἷός τε ποιεῖν πρὶν ἂν ἔνθεός τε γένηται καὶ ἔκφρων καὶ ὁ νοῦς μηκέτι ἐν αὐτῷ ἐνῇ· ἕως δʼ ἂν τουτὶ ἔχῃ τὸ κτῆμα, ἀδύνατος πᾶς ποιεῖν ἄνθρωπός ἐστιν καὶ χρησμῳδεῖν.
For a poet is a light and winged and sacred thing, and is unable to compose until he becomes inspired and out of his mind and his intellect is no longer in him; but as long as a man possesses this possession, he is unable to compose and to prophesy.
ἅτε οὖν οὐ τέχνῃ ποιοῦντες καὶ πολλὰ λέγοντες καὶ καλὰ περὶ τῶν πραγμάτων, ὥσπερ σὺ περὶ Ὁμήρου, ἀλλὰ θείᾳ μοίρᾳ, τοῦτο μόνον οἷός τε ἕκαστος ποιεῖν καλῶς ἐφʼ ὃ ἡ Μοῦσα αὐτὸν ὥρμησεν, ὁ μὲν διθυράμβους, ὁ δὲ ἐγκώμια, ὁ δὲ ὑπορχήματα, ὁ δʼ ἔπη, ὁ δʼ ἰάμβους· τὰ δʼ ἄλλα φαῦλος αὐτῶν ἕκαστός ἐστιν.
Since, therefore, it is not by art that they compose and say many beautiful things about their subjects, as you do about Homer, but by divine dispensation, each is able to compose well only that to which the Muse has impelled him: one dithyrambs, another encomiums, another dance-songs, another epic poems, another iambics; but in the other genres each of them is poor.
οὐ γὰρ τέχνῃ ταῦτα λέγουσιν ἀλλὰ θείᾳ δυνάμει, ἐπεί, εἰ περὶ ἑνὸς τέχνῃ καλῶς ἠπίσταντο λέγειν, κἂν περὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἁπάντων·
For they do not speak these things by art but by divine power, since, if they knew how to speak well on one subject by art, they would also know how to do so on all others.
διὰ ταῦτα δὲ ὁ θεὸς ἐξαιρούμενος τούτων τὸν νοῦν τούτοις χρῆται ὑπηρέταις καὶ τοῖς χρησμῳδοῖς καὶ τοῖς μάντεσι τοῖς θείοις, ἵνα ἡμεῖς οἱ ἀκούοντες εἰδῶμεν ὅτι οὐχ οὗτοί εἰσιν οἱ ταῦτα λέγοντες οὕτω πολλοῦ ἄξια, οἷς νοῦς μὴ πάρεστιν, ἀλλʼ ὁ θεὸς αὐτός ἐστιν ὁ λέγων, διὰ τούτων δὲ φθέγγεται πρὸς ἡμᾶς.
And for this reason the god takes away their intellect and uses them as ministers, and as oracle-singers and divine prophets, so that we who hear them may know that it is not they who utter these things of such great value, they who have no intellect present in them, but that the god himself is the speaker, and through them he speaks to us.
μέγιστον δὲ τεκμήριον τῷ λόγῳ Τύννιχος ὁ Χαλκιδεύς, ὃς ἄλλο μὲν οὐδὲν πώποτε ἐποίησε ποίημα ὅτου τις ἂν ἀξιώσειεν μνησθῆναι, τὸν δὲ παίωνα ὃν πάντες ᾁδουσι, σχεδόν τι πάντων μελῶν κάλλιστον, ἀτεχνῶς, ὅπερ αὐτὸς λέγει, εὕρημά τι Μοισᾶν. ἐν τούτῳ γὰρ δὴ μάλιστά μοι δοκεῖ ὁ θεὸς ἐνδείξασθαι ἡμῖν, ἵνα μὴ διστάζωμεν, ὅτι οὐκ ἀνθρώπινά ἐστιν τὰ καλὰ ταῦτα ποιήματα οὐδὲ ἀνθρώπων, ἀλλὰ θεῖα καὶ θεῶν, οἱ δὲ ποιηταὶ οὐδὲν ἀλλʼ ἢ ἑρμηνῆς εἰσιν τῶν θεῶν, κατεχόμενοι ἐξ ὅτου ἂν ἕκαστος κατέχηται.
And the greatest proof of this argument is Tynnichus of Chalcis, who never composed any other poem that anyone would think worthy of mention, but composed the paean which everyone sings, perhaps the most beautiful of all songs, simply, as he himself says, "an invention of the Muses." For in this, indeed, it seems to me that the god wished to show us most clearly, so that we should not doubt, that these beautiful poems are not human nor of men, but divine and of gods, and that the poets are nothing but interpreters of the gods, possessed by whichever one they may be possessed.
ταῦτα ἐνδεικνύμενος ὁ θεὸς ἐξεπίτηδες διὰ τοῦ φαυλοτάτου ποιητοῦ τὸ κάλλιστον μέλος ᾖσεν·
Showing this, the god purposely sang the most beautiful song through the poorest poet.
ἢ οὐ δοκῶ σοι ἀληθῆ λέγειν, ὦ Ἴων;
Or do I not seem to you to speak the truth, Ion?

Notes

  1. 534bἕως δʼ ἂν τουτὶ ἔχῃ τὸ κτῆμα — There is debate over what τὸ κτῆμα ("possession" or "acquisition") refers to. In this context, it is most natural to interpret it as referring to the immediately preceding "intellect" (ὁ νοῦς) (as long as a human retains this possession of intellect, composing is impossible). Although some interpret it as the "divine possession" of poetic inspiration, this would contradict the logical coherence with the conjunction ἕως ἄν ("as long as") and the adjective ἀδύνατος ("unable"); hence, it is interpreted here as referring to the intellect.
  2. 534cἐπεί, εἰ περὶ ἑνὸς τέχνῃ καλῶς ἠπίσταντο λέγειν, κἂν περὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἁπάντων· — A counterfactual conditional construction (εἰ + imperfect indicative, ἄν + imperfect indicative in the apodosis) with the verb (ἠπίσταντο λέγειν) omitted in the second part of the apodosis (κἂν περὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἁπάντων). It means "since, if they knew how to speak beautifully about one subject by art, they would also [know how to speak] about all the others." This logical structure is central to Socrates' argument that poetry is not an art (τέχνη).
  3. 534dὅτου τις ἂν ἀξιώσειεν μνησθῆναι — A relative clause introduced by the relative pronoun ὅτου (genitive governed by the verb μνησθῆναι) with ἄν and the optative (potential optative). The antecedent is ποίημα, representing a potential or generic modification: "any other poem that anyone might think worthy of mention."
  4. 534dοἷς νοῦς μὴ πάρεστιν — The relative pronoun οἷς refers back to the antecedent οὗτοι (the poets). The use of the negative particle μή in the relative clause, rather than οὐ, is due to the generic or conditional nature of the clause ("such people in whom intellect is not present"), describing a class of persons rather than specific individuals.

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Plato, Ion §534. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg027.humanitext-grc2:534

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