§304ΣΩ.
οὐκοῦν ὠφέλιμον,
φήσει,
τὸ ποιοῦν τἀγαθόν, τὸ δὲ ποιοῦν καὶ τὸ ποιούμενον ἕτερον νυνδὴ ἐφάνη, καὶ εἰς τὸν πρότερον λόγον ἥκει ὑμῖν ὁ λόγος;
SOCRATES: "'Then,' he will say, 'is the beneficial that which produces the good? But that which produces and that which is produced appeared just now to be different, and has your argument come back to the former argument?
οὔτε γὰρ τὸ ἀγαθὸν ἂν εἴη καλὸν οὔτε τὸ καλὸν ἀγαθόν, εἴπερ ἄλλο αὐτῶν ἑκάτερόν ἐστι. παντός γε μᾶλλον, φήσομεν, ὦ Ἱππία, ἂν σωφρονῶμεν· οὐ γάρ που θέμις τῷ ὀρθῶς λέγοντι μὴ συγχωρεῖν. ΙΠ. ἀλλὰ δή γʼ, ὦ Σώκρατες, τί οἴει ταῦτα εἶναι συνάπαντα;
For neither would the good be beautiful nor the beautiful good, if indeed each of them is different.' 'Most certainly,' we shall say, Hippias, if we are wise; for it is surely not right to disagree with one who speaks correctly." HIPPIAS: "But indeed, Socrates, what do you think all this is?
κνήσματά τοί ἐστι καὶ περιτμήματα τῶν λόγων, ὅπερ ἄρτι ἔλεγον, κατὰ βραχὺ διῃρημένα·
It is scrapings and shavings of arguments, as I was saying just now, divided into small pieces.
ἀλλʼ ἐκεῖνο καὶ καλὸν καὶ πολλοῦ ἄξιον, οἷόν τʼ εἶναι εὖ καὶ καλῶς λόγον καταστησάμενον ἐν δικαστηρίῳ ἢ ἐν βουλευτηρίῳ ἢ ἐπὶ ἄλλῃ τινὶ ἀρχῇ, πρὸς ἣν ἂν ὁ λόγος ᾖ, πείσαντα οἴχεσθαι φέροντα οὐ τὰ σμικρότατα ἀλλὰ τὰ μέγιστα τῶν ἄθλων, σωτηρίαν αὑτοῦ τε καὶ τῶν αὑτοῦ χρημάτων καὶ φίλων.
But that which is beautiful and worth much is this: to be able to deliver a speech well and finely in a court of law or in a council chamber or before any other authority to which the speech may be addressed, and, having persuaded them, to depart carrying away not the smallest but the greatest of prizes—the safety of oneself, of one's own property, and of one's friends.
τούτων οὖν χρὴ ἀντέχεσθαι, χαίρειν ἐάσαντα τὰς σμικρολογίας ταύτας, ἵνα μὴ δοκῇ λίαν ἀνόητος εἶναι λήρους καὶ φλυαρίας ὥσπερ νῦν μεταχειριζόμενος. ΣΩ. ὦ Ἱππία φίλε, σὺ μὲν μακάριος εἶ, ὅτι τε οἶσθα ἃ χρὴ ἐπιτηδεύειν ἄνθρωπον, καὶ ἐπιτετήδευκας ἱκανῶς, ὡς φῄς·
One ought therefore to cling to these things, bidding farewell to these petty subtleties, so that one does not seem to be utterly foolish by meddling with nonsense and babble, as you are doing now." SOCRATES: "My dear Hippias, you are indeed blessed, because you know what a man ought to practice, and you have practiced it sufficiently, as you say.
ἐμὲ δὲ δαιμονία τις τύχη, ὡς ἔοικε, κατέχει, ὅστις πλανῶμαι μὲν καὶ ἀπορῶ ἀεί, ἐπιδεικνὺς δὲ τὴν ἐμαυτοῦ ἀπορίαν ὑμῖν τοῖς σοφοῖς λόγῳ αὖ ὑπὸ ὑμῶν προπηλακίζομαι, ἐπειδὰν ἐπιδείξω.
But as for me, some demonic fortune, it seems, possesses me, who am always wandering and in perplexity; and when I display my perplexity to you wise men, I am in turn insulted by you in argument once I have displayed it.
λέγετε γάρ με, ἅπερ καὶ σὺ νῦν λέγεις, ὡς ἠλίθιά τε καὶ σμικρὰ καὶ οὐδενὸς ἄξια πραγματεύομαι·
For you say of me, just as you say now, that I busy myself with foolish, small, and worthless things.
ἐπειδὰν δὲ αὖ ἀναπεισθεὶς ὑπὸ ὑμῶν λέγω ἅπερ ὑμεῖς, ὡς πολὺ κράτιστόν ἐστιν οἷόν τʼ εἶναι λόγον εὖ καὶ καλῶς καταστησάμενον περαίνειν ἐν δικαστηρίῳ ἢ ἐν ἄλλῳ τινὶ συλλόγῳ, ὑπό τε ἄλλων τινῶν τῶν ἐνθάδε καὶ ὑπὸ τούτου τοῦ ἀνθρώπου τοῦ ἀεί με ἐλέγχοντος πάντα κακὰ ἀκούω.
But when, in turn, persuaded by you, I say what you say—that it is by far the best thing to be able to deliver a speech well and finely and accomplish it in a court of law or in some other assembly—I hear all kinds of evil from certain others here, and from that man who is always refuting me.
καὶ γάρ μοι τυγχάνει ἐγγύτατα γένους ὢν καὶ ἐν τῷ αὐτῷ οἰκῶν·
For he happens to be my nearest relative and lives in the same house.
ἐπειδὰν οὖν εἰσέλθω οἴκαδε εἰς ἐμαυτοῦ καί μου ἀκούσῃ ταῦτα λέγοντος, ἐρωτᾷ εἰ οὐκ αἰσχύνομαι τολμῶν περὶ καλῶν ἐπιτηδευμάτων διαλέγεσθαι, οὕτω φανερῶς ἐξελεγχόμενος περὶ τοῦ καλοῦ ὅτι οὐδʼ αὐτὸ τοῦτο ὅτι ποτέ ἐστιν οἶδα.
So when I go home to my own house and he hears me saying these things, he asks if I am not ashamed of daring to discuss beautiful pursuits when I have been so clearly refuted concerning the beautiful, showing that I do not even know what this beautiful itself actually is.
καίτοι πῶς σὺ εἴσῃ,
φησίν,
ἢ λόγον ὅστις καλῶς κατεστήσατο ἢ μή, ἢ ἄλλην πρᾶξιν ἡντινοῦν, τὸ καλὸν ἀγνοῶν;
'And yet,' he says, 'how will you know whether a speech was finely constructed or not, or any other action whatsoever, when you are ignorant of the beautiful?
καὶ ὁπότε οὕτω διάκεισαι, οἴει σοι κρεῖττον εἶναι ζῆν μᾶλλον ἢ τεθνάναι; συμβέβηκε δή μοι, ὅπερ λέγω, κακῶς μὲν ὑπὸ ὑμῶν ἀκούειν καὶ ὀνειδίζεσθαι, κακῶς δὲ ὑπʼ ἐκείνου.
And since you are in this state, do you think it is better for you to live than to be dead?' It has indeed happened to me, as I say, to hear evil and be reproached by you, and to hear evil from him.
ἀλλὰ γὰρ ἴσως ἀναγκαῖον ὑπομένειν ταῦτα πάντα· οὐδὲν γὰρ ἄτοπον εἰ ὠφελοίμην.
But indeed, perhaps it is necessary to endure all these things; for it is nothing strange if I should be benefited.
ἐγὼ οὖν μοι δοκῶ, ὦ Ἱππία, ὠφελῆσθαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀμφοτέρων ὑμῶν ὁμιλίας·
I therefore, Hippias, seem to myself to have been benefited by the association with both of you.
τὴν γὰρ παροιμίαν ὅτι ποτὲ λέγει, τὸ
χαλεπὰ τὰ καλά,
δοκῶ μοι εἰδέναι.
For what the proverb actually means, 'beautiful things are difficult', I seem to myself to know."