§214μᾶλλον δὲ οὐδὲν δεῖ, ἀλλὰ φέρε, παῖ, φάναι, τὸν ψυκτῆρα ἐκεῖνον, ἰδόντα αὐτὸν πλέον ἢ ὀκτὼ κοτύλας χωροῦντα.
"Or rather, there is no need at all, but bring, boy," he said, "that wine-cooler there," having seen that it held more than eight kotylai.
τοῦτον ἐμπλησάμενον πρῶτον μὲν αὐτὸν ἐκπιεῖν, ἔπειτα τῷ Σωκράτει κελεύειν ἐγχεῖν καὶ ἅμα εἰπεῖν· πρὸς μὲν Σωκράτη, ὦ ἄνδρες, τὸ σόφισμά μοι οὐδέν· ὁπόσον γὰρ ἂν κελεύῃ τις, τοσοῦτον ἐκπιὼν οὐδὲν μᾶλλον μή ποτε μεθυσθῇ. τὸν μὲν οὖν Σωκράτη ἐγχέαντος τοῦ παιδὸς πίνειν·
Having filled this, first he himself drank it off, then he ordered the servant to pour for Socrates, and at the same time said, "Against Socrates, gentlemen, my trick is nothing; for however much anyone orders him, he will drink it off and never be any the more drunk." Then Socrates drank when the servant poured; and Eryximachus said, "How then shall we do, Alcibiades?
τὸν δʼ Ἐρυξίμαχον πῶς οὖν, φάναι, ὦ Ἀλκιβιάδη, ποιοῦμεν; οὕτως οὔτε τι λέγομεν ἐπὶ τῇ κύλικι οὔτε τι ᾁδομεν, ἀλλʼ ἀτεχνῶς ὥσπερ οἱ διψῶντες πιόμεθα; τὸν οὖν Ἀλκιβιάδην εἰπεῖν ὦ Ἐρυξίμαχε, βέλτιστε βελτίστου πατρὸς καὶ σωφρονεστάτου, χαῖρε. καὶ γὰρ σύ, φάναι τὸν Ἐρυξίμαχον· ἀλλὰ τί ποιῶμεν; ὅτι ἂν σὺ κελεύῃς.
Do we thus neither say anything over the cup nor sing anything, but simply drink just like thirsty men?" Then Alcibiades said, "Eryximachus, best son of the best and most temperate father, hail!" "And to you indeed," said Eryximachus; "but what shall we do?" "Whatever you order.
δεῖ γάρ σοι πείθεσθαι· "
ἰητρὸς γὰρ ἀνὴρ πολλῶν ἀντάξιος ἄλλων· "
ἐπίταττε οὖν ὅτι βούλει. ἄκουσον δή, εἰπεῖν τὸν Ἐρυξίμαχον.
For we must obey you: 'For a physician is a man worth many others'; so command whatever you wish." "Listen then," said Eryximachus.
ἡμῖν πρὶν σὲ εἰσελθεῖν ἔδοξε χρῆναι ἐπὶ δεξιὰ ἕκαστον ἐν μέρει λόγον περὶ Ἔρωτος εἰπεῖν ὡς δύναιτο κάλλιστον, καὶ ἐγκωμιάσαι.
"Before you entered, we decided that each one in turn from left to right should speak on Love as beautifully as he could, and praise him.
οἱ μὲν οὖν ἄλλοι πάντες ἡμεῖς εἰρήκαμεν· σὺ δʼ ἐπειδὴ οὐκ εἴρηκας καὶ ἐκπέπωκας, δίκαιος εἶ εἰπεῖν, εἰπὼν δὲ ἐπιτάξαι Σωκράτει ὅτι ἂν βούλῃ, καὶ τοῦτον τῷ ἐπὶ δεξιὰ καὶ οὕτω τοὺς ἄλλους. ἀλλά, φάναι, ὦ Ἐρυξίμαχε, τὸν Ἀλκιβιάδην, καλῶς μὲν λέγεις, μεθύοντα δὲ ἄνδρα παρὰ νηφόντων λόγους παραβάλλειν μὴ οὐκ ἐξ ἴσου ᾖ.
Now all the rest of us have spoken; but since you have not spoken and have drunk it off, you are bound to speak, and when you have spoken, to command Socrates whatever you wish, and he to the one on his right, and so on with the others." "But, Eryximachus," Alcibiades said, "you speak well; but to match a drunken man's speech against those of sober men might not be on equal terms.
καὶ ἅμα, ὦ μακάριε, πείθει τί σε Σωκράτης ὧν ἄρτι εἶπεν;
And at the same time, my dear friend, does Socrates persuade you of anything he just said?
ἢ οἶσθα ὅτι τοὐναντίον ἐστὶ πᾶν ἢ ὃ ἔλεγεν;
Or do you know that everything is the very opposite of what he was saying?
οὗτος γάρ, ἐάν τινα ἐγὼ ἐπαινέσω τούτου παρόντος ἢ θεὸν ἢ ἄνθρωπον ἄλλον ἢ τοῦτον, οὐκ ἀφέξεταί μου τὼ χεῖρε. οὐκ εὐφημήσεις; φάναι τὸν Σωκράτη.
For this man, if I praise anyone else in his presence, whether god or some other human being other than himself, will not keep his hands off me." "Won't you speak well?" Socrates said.
μὰ τὸν Ποσειδῶ, εἰπεῖν τὸν Ἀλκιβιάδην, μηδὲν λέγε πρὸς ταῦτα, ὡς ἐγὼ οὐδʼ ἂν ἕνα ἄλλον ἐπαινέσαιμι σοῦ παρόντος. ἀλλʼ οὕτω ποίει, φάναι τὸν Ἐρυξίμαχον, εἰ βούλει· Σωκράτη ἐπαίνεσον. πῶς λέγεις; εἰπεῖν τὸν Ἀλκιβιάδην·
"By Poseidon," said Alcibiades, "say nothing against this, as I would not praise even one other person in your presence." "But do so," said Eryximachus, "if you wish; praise Socrates." "How do you mean?" said Alcibiades.
δοκεῖ χρῆναι, ὦ Ἐρυξίμαχε;
"Does it seem right, Eryximachus?
ἐπιθῶμαι τῷ ἀνδρὶ καὶ τιμωρήσωμαι ὑμῶν ἐναντίον; οὗτος, φάναι τὸν Σωκράτη, τί ἐν νῷ ἔχεις;
Shall I set upon the man and take my revenge before you all?" "You there," said Socrates, "what do you have in mind?
ἐπὶ τὰ γελοιότερά με ἐπαινέσαι;
To praise me to make me ridiculous?
ἢ τί ποιήσεις; τἀληθῆ ἐρῶ. ἀλλʼ ὅρα εἰ παρίης. ἀλλὰ μέντοι, φάναι, τά γε ἀληθῆ παρίημι καὶ κελεύω λέγειν. οὐκ ἂν φθάνοιμι, εἰπεῖν τὸν Ἀλκιβιάδην.
Or what will you do?" "I will tell the truth; but see if you allow it." "But indeed," he said, "the truth at least I allow and order you to tell." "I cannot be too quick," said Alcibiades.
καὶ μέντοι οὑτωσὶ ποίησον. §215ἐάν τι μὴ ἀληθὲς λέγω, μεταξὺ ἐπιλαβοῦ, ἂν βούλῃ, καὶ εἰπὲ ὅτι τοῦτο ψεύδομαι· ἑκὼν γὰρ εἶναι οὐδὲν ψεύσομαι.
"And indeed, do it this way." "If I say anything not true, interrupt me in the middle, if you wish, and say that I am lying in this; for willingly at least I will tell no lie.
ἐὰν μέντοι ἀναμιμνῃσκόμενος ἄλλο ἄλλοθεν λέγω, μηδὲν θαυμάσῃς· οὐ γάρ τι ῥᾴδιον τὴν σὴν ἀτοπίαν ὧδʼ ἔχοντι εὐπόρως καὶ ἐφεξῆς καταριθμῆσαι.
However, if in remembering I say one thing after another, do not wonder; for it is not at all easy for one in my state to enumerate your strangeness easily and in order.
Σωκράτη δʼ ἐγὼ ἐπαινεῖν, ὦ ἄνδρες, οὕτως ἐπιχειρήσω, διʼ εἰκόνων.
But I will attempt, gentlemen, to praise Socrates in this way, through images.
οὗτος μὲν οὖν ἴσως οἰήσεται ἐπὶ τὰ γελοιότερα, ἔσται δʼ ἡ εἰκὼν τοῦ ἀληθοῦς ἕνεκα, οὐ τοῦ γελοίου.
He indeed will perhaps think it is to make him ridiculous, but the image will be for the sake of truth, not for ridicule.
φημὶ γὰρ δὴ ὁμοιότατον αὐτὸν εἶναι τοῖς σιληνοῖς τούτοις τοῖς ἐν τοῖς ἑρμογλυφείοις καθημένοις, οὕστινας ἐργάζονται οἱ δημιουργοὶ σύριγγας ἢ αὐλοὺς ἔχοντας, οἳ διχάδε διοιχθέντες φαίνονται ἔνδοθεν ἀγάλματα ἔχοντες θεῶν.
For I say that he is most like those Sileni sitting in the sculptors' shops, whom the craftsmen make holding pipes or flutes, which when opened in two are found to have images of gods inside.
καὶ φημὶ αὖ ἐοικέναι αὐτὸν τῷ σατύρῳ τῷ Μαρσύᾳ.
And I say again that he is like the satyr Marsyas.
ὅτι μὲν οὖν τό γε εἶδος ὅμοιος εἶ τούτοις, ὦ Σώκρατες, οὐδʼ αὐτὸς ἄν που ἀμφισβητήσαις· ὡς δὲ καὶ τἆλλα ἔοικας, μετὰ τοῦτο ἄκουε.
That in appearance at least you are like them, Socrates, you would not even yourself dispute; but that you are like them in other respects too, listen after this.
ὑβριστὴς εἶ· ἢ οὔ;
You are insolent; or not?
ἐὰν γὰρ μὴ ὁμολογῇς, μάρτυρας παρέξομαι.
For if you do not admit it, I will provide witnesses.
ἀλλʼ οὐκ αὐλητής;
But are you not a flute-player?
πολύ γε θαυμασιώτερος ἐκείνου.
Much more marvelous than him!
ὁ μέν γε διʼ ὀργάνων ἐκήλει τοὺς ἀνθρώπους τῇ ἀπὸ τοῦ στόματος δυνάμει, καὶ ἔτι νυνὶ ὃς ἂν τὰ ἐκείνου αὐλῇ—ἃ γὰρ Ὄλυμπος ηὔλει, Μαρσύου λέγω, τούτου διδάξαντος—τὰ οὖν ἐκείνου ἐάντε ἀγαθὸς αὐλητὴς αὐλῇ ἐάντε φαύλη αὐλητρίς, μόνα κατέχεσθαι ποιεῖ καὶ δηλοῖ τοὺς τῶν θεῶν τε καὶ τελετῶν δεομένους διὰ τὸ θεῖα εἶναι.
He indeed used to charm people through instruments by the power from his mouth, and even now whoever plays his tunes—for those which Olympus played, I mean of Marsyas, this man having taught him—so his tunes, whether a good flute-player plays them or a worthless flute-girl, alone make people possessed and reveal those who need the gods and mysteries because they are divine.
σὺ δʼ ἐκείνου τοσοῦτον μόνον διαφέρεις, ὅτι ἄνευ ὀργάνων ψιλοῖς λόγοις ταὐτὸν τοῦτο ποιεῖς.
But you differ from him only in this much, that without instruments, by bare words, you do this very same thing.
ἡμεῖς γοῦν ὅταν μέν του ἄλλου ἀκούωμεν λέγοντος καὶ πάνυ ἀγαθοῦ ῥήτορος ἄλλους λόγους, οὐδὲν μέλει ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν οὐδενί· ἐπειδὰν δὲ σοῦ τις ἀκούῃ ἢ τῶν σῶν λόγων ἄλλου λέγοντος, κἂν πάνυ φαῦλος ᾖ ὁ λέγων, ἐάντε γυνὴ ἀκούῃ ἐάντε ἀνὴρ ἐάντε μειράκιον, ἐκπεπληγμένοι ἐσμὲν καὶ κατεχόμεθα.
We, at any rate, when we hear someone else speaking, even a very good orator, other speeches, it matters almost nothing to anyone; but when anyone hears you, or hears someone else speaking your words, even if the speaker is very worthless, and whether a woman hears or a man or a young boy, we are astounded and possessed.
ἐγὼ γοῦν, ὦ ἄνδρες, εἰ μὴ ἔμελλον κομιδῇ δόξειν μεθύειν, εἶπον ὀμόσας ἂν ὑμῖν οἷα δὴ πέπονθα αὐτὸς ὑπὸ τῶν τούτου λόγων καὶ πάσχω ἔτι καὶ νυνί.
I, at least, gentlemen, if I were not about to seem completely drunk, would have told you on oath what I myself have suffered from this man's words, and suffer even now.
ὅταν γὰρ ἀκούω, πολύ μοι μᾶλλον ἢ τῶν κορυβαντιώντων ἥ τε καρδία πηδᾷ καὶ δάκρυα ἐκχεῖται ὑπὸ τῶν λόγων τῶν τούτου, ὁρῶ δὲ καὶ ἄλλους παμπόλλους τὰ αὐτὰ πάσχοντας·
For when I hear him, much more than those who celebrate the Corybantic rites, my heart leaps and tears are poured out by this man's words, and I see very many others suffering the same things.
Περικλέους δὲ ἀκούων καὶ ἄλλων ἀγαθῶν ῥητόρων εὖ μὲν ἡγούμην λέγειν, τοιοῦτον δʼ οὐδὲν ἔπασχον, οὐδʼ ἐτεθορύβητό μου ἡ ψυχὴ οὐδʼ ἠγανάκτει ὡς ἀνδραποδωδῶς διακειμένου, ἀλλʼ ὑπὸ τουτουῒ τοῦ Μαρσύου πολλάκις δὴ οὕτω διετέθην ὥστε μοι δόξαι μὴ βιωτὸν εἶναι ἔχοντι ὡς ἔχω.
When hearing Pericles and other good orators, I thought they spoke well, but I suffered nothing of this kind, nor was my soul troubled, nor did it chafe at being in a slave-like state, but by this Marsyas here I have often been so affected that it seemed to me not worth living, being as I am."