§204ἔχει γὰρ ὧδε.
For it is like this.
θεῶν οὐδεὶς φιλοσοφεῖ οὐδʼ ἐπιθυμεῖ σοφὸς γενέσθαι—ἔστι γάρ—οὐδʼ εἴ τις ἄλλος σοφός, οὐ φιλοσοφεῖ.
No one of the gods philosophizes or desires to become wise—for he is so—nor if anyone else is wise, does he philosophize.
οὐδʼ αὖ οἱ ἀμαθεῖς φιλοσοφοῦσιν οὐδʼ ἐπιθυμοῦσι σοφοὶ γενέσθαι· αὐτὸ γὰρ τοῦτό ἐστι χαλεπὸν ἀμαθία, τὸ μὴ ὄντα καλὸν κἀγαθὸν μηδὲ φρόνιμον δοκεῖν αὑτῷ εἶναι ἱκανόν.
Nor again do the ignorant philosophize or desire to become wise; for this is the very trouble with ignorance, that one who is neither beautiful nor good nor wise thinks himself sufficient.
οὔκουν ἐπιθυμεῖ ὁ μὴ οἰόμενος ἐνδεὴς εἶναι οὗ ἂν μὴ οἴηται ἐπιδεῖσθαι.
He therefore who does not think himself in want does not desire that which he does not think he needs.
τίνες οὖν, ἔφην ἐγώ, ὦ Διοτίμα, οἱ φιλοσοφοῦντες, εἰ μήτε οἱ σοφοὶ μήτε οἱ ἀμαθεῖς; δῆλον δή, ἔφη, τοῦτό γε ἤδη καὶ παιδί, ὅτι οἱ μεταξὺ τούτων ἀμφοτέρων, ὧν ἂν εἴη καὶ ὁ Ἔρως.
"Who then, Diotima," I said, "are those who philosophize, if they are neither the wise nor the ignorant?" "That is clear indeed," she said, "by now even to a child: that they are those who are in between both of these, among whom Eros also would be.
ἔστιν γὰρ δὴ τῶν καλλίστων ἡ σοφία, Ἔρως δʼ ἐστὶν ἔρως περὶ τὸ καλόν, ὥστε ἀναγκαῖον ἔρωτα φιλόσοφον εἶναι, φιλόσοφον δὲ ὄντα μεταξὺ εἶναι σοφοῦ καὶ ἀμαθοῦς.
For indeed wisdom is among the most beautiful things, and Eros is love directed toward the beautiful, so that it is necessary for Eros to be a philosopher, and being a philosopher, to be in between the wise and the ignorant.
αἰτία δὲ αὐτῷ καὶ τούτων ἡ γένεσις· πατρὸς μὲν γὰρ σοφοῦ ἐστι καὶ εὐπόρου, μητρὸς δὲ οὐ σοφῆς καὶ ἀπόρου.
And the cause of these things for him is his birth: for he is of a father who is wise and resourceful, and of a mother who is not wise and without resources.
ἡ μὲν οὖν φύσις τοῦ δαίμονος, ὦ φίλε Σώκρατες, αὕτη· ὃν δὲ σὺ ᾠήθης ἔρωτα εἶναι, θαυμαστὸν οὐδὲν ἔπαθες.
This, then, is the nature of the daemon, my dear Socrates; but as for whom you thought to be Eros, you suffered nothing surprising.
ᾠήθης δέ, ὡς ἐμοὶ δοκεῖ τεκμαιρομένῃ ἐξ ὧν σὺ λέγεις, τὸ ἐρώμενον ἔρωτα εἶναι, οὐ τὸ ἐρῶν· διὰ ταῦτά σοι οἶμαι πάγκαλος ἐφαίνετο ὁ Ἔρως.
You thought, as it seems to me, judging from what you say, that the beloved is Eros, and not the lover; for this reason, I think, Eros appeared to you all-beautiful.
καὶ γὰρ ἔστι τὸ ἐραστὸν τὸ τῷ ὄντι καλὸν καὶ ἁβρὸν καὶ τέλεον καὶ μακαριστόν· τὸ δέ γε ἐρῶν ἄλλην ἰδέαν τοιαύτην ἔχον, οἵαν ἐγὼ διῆλθον. καὶ ἐγὼ εἶπον, εἶεν δή, ὦ ξένη, καλῶς γὰρ λέγεις· τοιοῦτος ὢν ὁ Ἔρως τίνα χρείαν ἔχει τοῖς ἀνθρώποις; τοῦτο δὴ μετὰ ταῦτʼ, ἔφη, ὦ Σώκρατες, πειράσομαί σε διδάξαι.
For indeed the beloved is that which is truly beautiful and delicate and perfect and blessed; but that which loves has another such character, such as I have described." And I said, "Well then, stranger, for you speak well; being such as this, what usefulness does Eros have for men?" "This indeed, after these things," she said, "Socrates, I will attempt to teach you.
ἔστι μὲν γὰρ δὴ τοιοῦτος καὶ οὕτω γεγονὼς ὁ Ἔρως, ἔστι δὲ τῶν καλῶν, ὡς σὺ φῄς.
For Eros indeed is of such a kind and has been born in this way, and he is of beautiful things, as you say.
εἰ δέ τις ἡμᾶς ἔροιτο· τί τῶν καλῶν ἐστιν ὁ Ἔρως, ὦ Σώκρατές τε καὶ Διοτίμα; ὧδε δὲ σαφέστερον· ἐρᾷ ὁ ἐρῶν τῶν καλῶν· τί ἐρᾷ; καὶ ἐγὼ εἶπον ὅτι γενέσθαι αὑτῷ. ἀλλʼ ἔτι ποθεῖ, ἔφη, ἡ ἀπόκρισις ἐρώτησιν τοιάνδε· τί ἔσται ἐκείνῳ ᾧ ἂν γένηται τὰ καλά; οὐ πάνυ ἔφην ἔτι ἔχειν ἐγὼ πρὸς ταύτην τὴν ἐρώτησιν προχείρως ἀποκρίνασθαι.
But if someone should ask us: 'In what way is Eros of beautiful things, Socrates and Diotima?' Or more clearly like this: 'The lover loves beautiful things; what does he love?' And I said: "That they may become his." "But," she said, "the answer still requires a question like this: 'What will be for him to whom beautiful things become?'" I said that I did not quite have the ability yet to answer this question readily.
ἀλλʼ, ἔφη, ὥσπερ ἂν εἴ τις μεταβαλὼν ἀντὶ τοῦ καλοῦ τῷ ἀγαθῷ χρώμενος πυνθάνοιτο· φέρε, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἐρᾷ ὁ ἐρῶν τῶν ἀγαθῶν· τί ἐρᾷ; γενέσθαι, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, αὑτῷ.
"But," she said, "just as if someone, changing and using 'the good' instead of 'the beautiful', should ask: 'Come, Socrates, the lover loves good things; what does he love?'" "That they may become his," I said.
καὶ τί ἔσται ἐκείνῳ ᾧ ἂν γένηται τἀγαθά; τοῦτʼ εὐπορώτερον, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, ἔχω ἀποκρίνασθαι, ὅτι εὐδαίμων ἔσται.
"And what will be for him to whom good things become?" "This," I said, "I have more easily to answer, that he will be happy."