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Plato · Symposium §176

Agreement on Moderate Drinking and Proposal of Discourse

Passage 4 of 36 · Greek

Summary

After dinner, the guests agree to avoid heavy drinking due to their hangovers from the previous day, and, following Eryximachus's proposal, they dismiss the flute-girl to spend the evening in conversation.

§176μετὰ ταῦτα, ἔφη, κατακλινέντος τοῦ Σωκράτους καὶ δειπνήσαντος καὶ τῶν ἄλλων, σπονδάς τε σφᾶς ποιήσασθαι, καὶ ᾁσαντας τὸν θεὸν καὶ τἆλλα τὰ νομιζόμενα, τρέπεσθαι πρὸς τὸν πότον·
After this, he said, when Socrates had reclined and dined, as well as the others, they made libations, sang to the god, and performed the other customary rites, and then turned to drinking.
τὸν οὖν Παυσανίαν ἔφη λόγου τοιούτου τινὸς κατάρχειν. εἶεν, ἄνδρες, φάναι, τίνα τρόπον ῥᾷστα πιόμεθα;
Pausanias then, he said, began a conversation of this sort: "Well, gentlemen, in what way shall we drink most easily?
ἐγὼ μὲν οὖν λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι τῷ ὄντι πάνυ χαλεπῶς ἔχω ὑπὸ τοῦ χθὲς πότου καὶ δέομαι ἀναψυχῆς τινος—οἶμαι δὲ καὶ ὑμῶν τοὺς πολλούς·
For my part, I tell you that I am really in a very bad way from yesterday's drinking and need some refreshment—and I think most of you are too, for you were present yesterday.
παρῆστε γὰρ χθές—σκοπεῖσθε οὖν τίνι τρόπῳ ἂν ὡς ῥᾷστα πίνοιμεν. τὸν οὖν Ἀριστοφάνη εἰπεῖν, τοῦτο μέντοι εὖ λέγεις, ὦ Παυσανία, τὸ παντὶ τρόπῳ παρασκευάσασθαι ῥᾳστώνην τινὰ τῆς πόσεως· καὶ γὰρ αὐτός εἰμι τῶν χθὲς βεβαπτισμένων. ἀκούσαντα οὖν αὐτῶν ἔφη Ἐρυξίμαχον τὸν Ἀκουμενοῦ ἦ καλῶς, φάναι, λέγετε.
Consider then in what way we might drink as easily as possible." Aristophanes then said, "You say that well indeed, Pausanias, that we should by all means provide some ease in our drinking; for I too am one of those who were drenched yesterday." Hearing them, Eryximachus, the son of Acumenus, said, "You speak beautifully indeed.
καὶ ἔτι ἑνὸς δέομαι ὑμῶν ἀκοῦσαι πῶς ἔχει πρὸς τὸ ἐρρῶσθαι πίνειν, Ἀγάθωνος. οὐδαμῶς, φάναι, οὐδʼ αὐτὸς ἔρρωμαι. Ἕρμαιον ἂν εἴη ἡμῖν, ἦ δʼ ὅς, ὡς ἔοικεν, ἐμοί τε καὶ Ἀριστοδήμῳ καὶ Φαίδρῳ καὶ τοῖσδε, εἰ ὑμεῖς οἱ δυνατώτατοι πίνειν νῦν ἀπειρήκατε· ἡμεῖς μὲν γὰρ ἀεὶ ἀδύνατοι.
And I still need to hear from one of you how he stands regarding strength for drinking—Agathon." "By no means," Agathon said, "I myself have no strength either." "It would be a godsend for us," he said, "as it seems—for me, Aristodemus, Phaedrus, and these others—if you who are most capable of drinking have now given up; for we are always incapable.
Σωκράτη δʼ ἐξαιρῶ λόγου· ἱκανὸς γὰρ καὶ ἀμφότερα, ὥστʼ ἐξαρκέσει αὐτῷ ὁπότερʼ ἂν ποιῶμεν.
I except Socrates from the account; for he is sufficient for both, so it will be enough for him whichever we do.
ἐπειδὴ οὖν μοι δοκεῖ οὐδεὶς τῶν παρόντων προθύμως ἔχειν πρὸς τὸ πολὺν πίνειν οἶνον, ἴσως ἂν ἐγὼ περὶ τοῦ μεθύσκεσθαι οἷόν ἐστι τἀληθῆ λέγων ἧττον ἂν εἴην ἀηδής.
Since, therefore, it seems to me that no one of those present is eager to drink much wine, perhaps I would be less disagreeable if I told the truth about what getting drunk is like.
ἐμοὶ γὰρ δὴ τοῦτό γε οἶμαι κατάδηλον γεγονέναι ἐκ τῆς ἰατρικῆς, ὅτι χαλεπὸν τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ἡ μέθη ἐστίν· καὶ οὔτε αὐτὸς ἑκὼν εἶναι πόρρω ἐθελήσαιμι ἂν πιεῖν οὔτε ἄλλῳ συμβουλεύσαιμι, ἄλλως τε καὶ κραιπαλῶντα ἔτι ἐκ τῆς προτεραίας. ἀλλὰ μήν, ἔφη φάναι ὑπολαβόντα Φαῖδρον τὸν Μυρρινούσιον, ἔγωγέ σοι εἴωθα πείθεσθαι ἄλλως τε καὶ ἅττʼ ἂν περὶ ἰατρικῆς λέγῃς· νῦν δʼ, ἂν εὖ βουλεύωνται, καὶ οἱ λοιποί. ταῦτα δὴ ἀκούσαντας συγχωρεῖν πάντας μὴ διὰ μέθης ποιήσασθαι τὴν ἐν τῷ παρόντι συνουσίαν, ἀλλʼ οὕτω πίνοντας πρὸς ἡδονήν.
For this at least, I think, has become completely clear to me from medicine: that drunkenness is a difficult thing for men; and I myself would not willingly drink deep, nor would I advise another to do so, especially when they are still suffering from a hangover from the previous day." "Indeed," Phaedrus of Myrrhinus said, taking him up, "I am accustomed to obey you, especially in whatever you say about medicine; and now, if they are wise, the rest will do so too." Hearing this, they all agreed not to make the present gathering one of drunkenness, but to drink in this way, just for pleasure.
ἐπειδὴ τοίνυν, φάναι τὸν Ἐρυξίμαχον, τοῦτο μὲν δέδοκται, πίνειν ὅσον ἂν ἕκαστος βούληται, ἐπάναγκες δὲ μηδὲν εἶναι, τὸ μετὰ τοῦτο εἰσηγοῦμαι τὴν μὲν ἄρτι εἰσελθοῦσαν αὐλητρίδα χαίρειν ἐᾶν, αὐλοῦσαν ἑαυτῇ ἢ ἂν βούληται ταῖς γυναιξὶ ταῖς ἔνδον, ἡμᾶς δὲ διὰ λόγων ἀλλήλοις συνεῖναι τὸ τήμερον· καὶ διʼ οἵων λόγων, εἰ βούλεσθε, ἐθέλω ὑμῖν εἰσηγήσασθαι.
"Since, therefore," Eryximachus said, "this has been resolved, that each should drink as much as he wishes, and that there be no compulsion, I next propose to let the flute-girl who just came in go, to play to herself or, if she wishes, to the women inside, and that we instead associate with one another today through speeches; and with what kind of speeches, if you wish, I am willing to propose to you."

Notes

  1. 176aκατακλινέντος τοῦ Σωκράτους καὶ δειπνήσαντος καὶ τῶν ἄλλων — Genitive absolute construction. The singular genitive participles κατακλινέντος and δειπνήσαντος are coupled with a plural subject καὶ τῶν ἄλλων (and the others). Grammatically, one might expect a plural participle like δειπνησάντων to agree with τῶν ἄλλων, but the sentence structure asymmetricially continues with the singular form.
  2. 176bτῶν χθὲς βεβαπτισμένων — Perfect passive participle plural genitive of the verb βαπτίζω (to dip, submerge), used here with the partitive genitive. It is a colloquial and metaphorical expression meaning "those who were thoroughly drenched" with wine, i.e., "those who got heavily drunk yesterday."
  3. 176cἝρμαιον — A noun derived from Hermes, the god of luck and commerce, literally meaning "a gift from Hermes." By extension, it means "a godsend," "an unexpected piece of good luck," or "a windfall."
  4. 176dἑκὼν εἶναι — An idiomatic phrase with the infinitive εἶναι, typically used in negative sentences to mean "so far as my own will is concerned," "willingly," or "voluntarily." Here, combined with the negative οὔτε, it means "I would not willingly do so."
  5. 176eχαίρειν ἐᾶν — Literally "to let someone rejoice," but derived from the classical Greek greeting of farewell χαῖρε (farewell/goodbye). It is an idiomatic expression meaning "to dismiss," "to let go," or "to bid farewell to" someone.

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Plato, Symposium §176. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg011.humanitext-grc2:176

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