§216ΘΕΟ. κατὰ τὴν χθὲς ὁμολογίαν, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἥκομεν αὐτοί τε κοσμίως καὶ τόνδε τινὰ ξένον ἄγομεν, τὸ μὲν γένος ἐξ Ἐλέας, ἑταῖρον δὲ τῶν ἀμφὶ Παρμενίδην καὶ Ζήνωνα, μάλα δὲ ἄνδρα φιλόσοφον.
THEO. According to yesterday's agreement, Socrates, we have come ourselves in good order, and we bring this stranger with us, a native of Elea, a companion of the circle of Parmenides and Zeno, and a very philosophical man.
ΣΩ. ἆρʼ οὖν, ὦ Θεόδωρε, οὐ ξένον ἀλλά τινα θεὸν ἄγων κατὰ τὸν Ὁμήρου λόγον λέληθας;
SOC. Have you then, Theodore, without knowing it, brought not a stranger but some god, according to the saying of Homer?
ὅς φησιν ἄλλους τε θεοὺς τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ὁπόσοι μετέχουσιν αἰδοῦς δικαίας, καὶ δὴ καὶ τὸν ξένιον οὐχ ἥκιστα θεὸν συνοπαδὸν γιγνόμενον ὕβρεις τε καὶ εὐνομίας τῶν ἀνθρώπων καθορᾶν.
He says that other gods, as companions, watch over the insolence and good order of men, going about with all who share in just reverence, and not least the god of hospitality.
τάχʼ οὖν ἂν καὶ σοί τις οὗτος τῶν κρειττόνων συνέποιτο, φαύλους ἡμᾶς ὄντας ἐν τοῖς λόγοις ἐποψόμενός τε καὶ ἐλέγξων, θεὸς ὤν τις ἐλεγκτικός.
So perhaps this one of the higher powers may be following you too, to oversee and refute us who are poor in arguments, being a sort of refuting god.
ΘΕΟ. οὐχ οὗτος ὁ τρόπος, ὦ Σώκρατες, τοῦ ξένου, ἀλλὰ μετριώτερος τῶν περὶ τὰς ἔριδας ἐσπουδακότων.
THEO. That is not the stranger's way, Socrates, but he is more moderate than those who are zealous about disputes.
καί μοι δοκεῖ θεὸς μὲν ἁνὴρ οὐδαμῶς εἶναι, θεῖος μήν· πάντας γὰρ ἐγὼ τοὺς φιλοσόφους τοιούτους προσαγορεύω.
And to me, he seems by no means to be a god, but certainly divine; for I call all philosophers of this sort.
ΣΩ. καὶ καλῶς γε, ὦ φίλε.
SOC. And rightly so, my friend.
τοῦτο μέντοι κινδυνεύει τὸ γένος οὐ πολύ τι ῥᾷον ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν εἶναι διακρίνειν ἢ τὸ τοῦ θεοῦ· πάνυ γὰρ ἇνδρες οὗτοι παντοῖοι φανταζόμενοι διὰ τὴν τῶν ἄλλων ἄγνοιαν
"ἐπιστρωφῶσι πόληας"
, οἱ μὴ πλαστῶς ἀλλʼ ὄντως φιλόσοφοι, καθορῶντες ὑψόθεν τὸν τῶν κάτω βίον, καὶ τοῖς μὲν δοκοῦσιν εἶναι τοῦ μηδενὸς, τοῖς δʼ ἄξιοι τοῦ παντός· καὶ τοτὲ μὲν πολιτικοὶ φαντάζονται, τοτὲ δὲ σοφισταί, τοτὲ δʼ ἔστιν οἷς δόξαν παράσχοιντʼ ἂν ὡς παντάπασιν ἔχοντες μανικῶς.
However, this class risks being not much easier, so to speak, to distinguish than that of the god; for these men, appearing in all sorts of guises owing to the ignorance of others, "visit cities," they who are not falsely but truly philosophers, looking down from above on the life of those below, and to some they seem to be of no worth, to others worthy of everything; and sometimes they appear as statesmen, sometimes as sophists, and sometimes they might present the appearance to some of being altogether mad.
τοῦ μέντοι ξένου ἡμῖν ἡδέως ἂν πυνθανοίμην, εἰ φίλον αὐτῷ, τί ταῦθʼ οἱ περὶ τὸν ἐκεῖ τόπον ἡγοῦντο καὶ ὠνόμαζον.
However, I would gladly learn from our stranger, if it is pleasing to him, what those in that place thought about these things and how they named them.
§217ΘΕΟ. τὰ ποῖα δή;
THEO. What things do you mean?
ΣΩ. σοφιστήν, πολιτικόν, φιλόσοφον.
SOC. Sophist, statesman, philosopher.
ΘΕΟ. τί δὲ μάλιστα καὶ τὸ ποῖόν τι περὶ αὐτῶν διαπορηθεὶς ἐρέσθαι διενοήθης;
THEO. What in particular and what sort of difficulty about them did you intend to ask when you raised this question?
ΣΩ. τόδε·
SOC.
πότερον ἓν πάντα ταῦτα ἐνόμιζον ἢ δύο, ἢ καθάπερ τὰ ὀνόματα τρία, τρία καὶ τὰ γένη διαιρούμενοι καθʼ ἓν ὄνομα ἑκάστῳ προσῆπτον;
This: whether they thought all these were one, or two, or whether, just as there are three names, they also divided them into three classes and attached one to each name?
ΘΕΟ. ἀλλʼ οὐδείς, ὡς ἐγᾦμαι, φθόνος αὐτῷ διελθεῖν αὐτά· ἢ πῶς, ὦ ξένε, λέγωμεν;
THEO. But there is no grudge, I think, on his part to go through them; or how do we say, stranger?
ΞΕ. οὕτως, ὦ Θεόδωρε.
STR. Just so, Theodore.
φθόνος μὲν γὰρ οὐδεὶς οὐδὲ χαλεπὸν εἰπεῖν ὅτι γε τρίʼ ἡγοῦντο· καθʼ ἕκαστον μὴν διορίσασθαι σαφῶς τί ποτʼ ἔστιν, οὐ σμικρὸν οὐδὲ ῥᾴδιον ἔργον.
For there is no grudge, nor is it difficult to say that they thought they were three; yet to define clearly what each one actually is, is no small or easy task.
ΘΕΟ. καὶ μὲν δὴ κατὰ τύχην γε, ὦ Σώκρατες, λόγων ἐπελάβου παραπλησίων ὧν καὶ πρὶν ἡμᾶς δεῦρʼ ἐλθεῖν διερωτῶντες αὐτὸν ἐτυγχάνομεν, ὁ δὲ ταὐτὰ ἅπερ πρὸς σὲ νῦν καὶ τότε ἐσκήπτετο πρὸς ἡμᾶς· ἐπεὶ διακηκοέναι γέ φησιν ἱκανῶς καὶ οὐκ ἀμνημονεῖν.
THEO. And indeed by chance, Socrates, you have laid hold of arguments very similar to those which we happened to be asking him before we came here, and he made the very same excuses to us then as he does to you now; for he says he has heard them sufficiently and does not forget them.
ΣΩ. μὴ τοίνυν, ὦ ξένε, ἡμῶν τήν γε πρώτην αἰτησάντων χάριν ἀπαρνηθεὶς γένῃ, τοσόνδε δʼ ἡμῖν φράζε.
SOC. Do not then, stranger, deny us this first favor we ask, but tell us this much.
πότερον εἴωθας ἥδιον αὐτὸς ἐπὶ σαυτοῦ μακρῷ λόγῳ διεξιέναι λέγων τοῦτο ὃ ἂν ἐνδείξασθαί τῳ βουληθῇς, ἢ διʼ ἐρωτήσεων, οἷόν ποτε καὶ Παρμενίδῃ χρωμένῳ καὶ διεξιόντι λόγους παγκάλους παρεγενόμην ἐγὼ νέος ὤν, ἐκείνου μάλα δὴ τότε ὄντος πρεσβύτου;
Do you usually prefer to go through by yourself in a long discourse whatever you wish to demonstrate to someone, or through questions, as I once was present when Parmenides used them and went through most beautiful arguments, when I was young and he was already very old?
ΞΕ. τῷ μέν, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἀλύπως τε καὶ εὐηνίως προσδιαλεγομένῳ ῥᾷον οὕτω, τὸ πρὸς ἄλλον· εἰ δὲ μή, τὸ καθʼ αὑτόν.
STR. If there is someone to converse with who is free from vexation and gentle, Socrates, it is easier that way, with another; but if not, then by oneself.
ΣΩ. ἔξεστι τοίνυν τῶν παρόντων ὃν ἂν βουληθῇς ἐκλέξασθαι, πάντες γὰρ ὑπακούσονταί σοι πρᾴως· συμβούλῳ μὴν ἐμοὶ χρώμενος τῶν νέων τινὰ αἱρήσῃ, Θεαίτητον τόνδε, ἢ καὶ τῶν ἄλλων εἴ τίς σοι κατὰ νοῦν.
SOC. You may then choose whomever you wish of those present, for they will all respond to you gently; but if you take me as your adviser, you will choose one of the young men, this Theaetetus here, or anyone else of the others who is to your mind.
ΞΕ. ὦ Σώκρατες, αἰδώς τίς μʼ ἔχει τὸ νῦν πρῶτον συγγενόμενον ὑμῖν μὴ κατὰ σμικρὸν ἔπος πρὸς ἔπος ποιεῖσθαι τὴν συνουσίαν, ἀλλʼ ἐκτείναντα ἀπομηκύνειν λόγον συχνὸν κατʼ ἐμαυτόν, εἴτε καὶ πρὸς ἕτερον, οἷον ἐπίδειξιν ποιούμενον· τῷ γὰρ ὄντι τὸ νῦν ῥηθὲν οὐχ ὅσον ὧδε ἐρωτηθὲν ἐλπίσειεν ἂν αὐτὸ εἶναί τις, ἀλλὰ τυγχάνει λόγου παμμήκους ὄν.
STR. Socrates, a certain shame holds me, having met you now for the first time, not to carry on our intercourse by small word-for-word exchanges, but by stretching out and lengthening a long discourse by myself, or even to another, as if making a display; for in truth, what has now been mentioned is not as small as one might expect it to be when thus asked, but happens to be a subject of immense length.
τὸ δὲ αὖ σοὶ μὴ χαρίζεσθαι καὶ τοῖσδε, ἄλλως τε καὶ σοῦ λέξαντος ὡς εἶπες, ἄξενόν τι καταφαίνεταί μοι καὶ ἄγριον.
On the other hand, not to gratify you and these others, especially when you have spoken as you did, seems to me unsocial and rude.
ἐπεὶ Θεαίτητόν γε τὸν προσδιαλεγόμενον εἶναι δέχομαι παντάπασιν ἐξ ὧν αὐτός τε πρότερον διείλεγμαι καὶ σὺ τὰ νῦν μοι διακελεύῃ.
Since indeed I accept Theaetetus as the one to converse with, altogether from what I myself have previously conversed with him and from what you now urge upon me.