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Plato · Apology §41-42

Hopes for the Underworld and Concluding Words

Passage 19 of 19 · Greek

Summary

Socrates argues that if death is a journey to Hades, it would be an extraordinary piece of fortune as he would be able to converse with and examine true judges, ancient sages, and heroes. He encourages the jurors to remain hopeful about death, requests them to correct his sons if they neglect virtue, and concludes by stating that only the god knows whether it is better to live or to die.

§41εἰ γάρ τις ἀφικόμενος εἰς Ἅιδου, ἀπαλλαγεὶς τουτωνὶ τῶν φασκόντων δικαστῶν εἶναι, εὑρήσει τοὺς ὡς ἀληθῶς δικαστάς, οἵπερ καὶ λέγονται ἐκεῖ δικάζειν, Μίνως τε καὶ Ῥαδάμανθυς καὶ Αἰακὸς καὶ Τριπτόλεμος καὶ ἄλλοι ὅσοι τῶν ἡμιθέων δίκαιοι ἐγένοντο ἐν τῷ ἑαυτῶν βίῳ, ἆρα φαύλη ἂν εἴη ἡ ἀποδημία;
For if someone, having arrived in Hades, having got rid of these who claim to be judges, will find the true judges, who indeed are said to judge there, Minos and Rhadamanthys and Aeacus and Triptolemus and all the other demigods who were just in their own lives, would the journey be a bad one?
ἢ αὖ Ὀρφεῖ συγγενέσθαι καὶ Μουσαίῳ καὶ Ἡσιόδῳ καὶ Ὁμήρῳ ἐπὶ πόσῳ ἄν τις δέξαιτʼ ἂν ὑμῶν;
Or again, to associate with Orpheus and Musaeus and Hesiod and Homer, at what price would any of you accept this?
ἐγὼ μὲν γὰρ πολλάκις ἐθέλω τεθνάναι εἰ ταῦτʼ ἔστιν ἀληθῆ.
For I am willing to die many times if these things are true.
ἐπεὶ ἔμοιγε καὶ αὐτῷ θαυμαστὴ ἂν εἴη ἡ διατριβὴ αὐτόθι, ὁπότε ἐντύχοιμι Παλαμήδει καὶ Αἴαντι τῷ Τελαμῶνος καὶ εἴ τις ἄλλος τῶν παλαιῶν διὰ κρίσιν ἄδικον τέθνηκεν, ἀντιπαραβάλλοντι τὰ ἐμαυτοῦ πάθη πρὸς τὰ ἐκείνων—ὡς ἐγὼ οἶμαι, οὐκ ἂν ἀηδὲς εἴη—καὶ δὴ τὸ μέγιστον, τοὺς ἐκεῖ ἐξετάζοντα καὶ ἐρευνῶντα ὥσπερ τοὺς ἐνταῦθα διάγειν, τίς αὐτῶν σοφός ἐστιν καὶ τίς οἴεται μέν, ἔστιν δʼ οὔ.
Since for me myself also, the stay there would be wonderful, whenever I should meet Palamedes and Ajax the son of Telamon, and if any other of the ancients has died because of an unjust judgment, comparing my own experiences with theirs—as I think, it would not be unpleasant—and especially, the greatest thing, to spend time examining and searching those there just like those here, as to who among them is wise and who thinks he is, but is not.
ἐπὶ πόσῳ δʼ ἄν τις, ὦ ἄνδρες δικασταί, δέξαιτο ἐξετάσαι τὸν ἐπὶ Τροίαν ἀγαγόντα τὴν πολλὴν στρατιὰν ἢ Ὀδυσσέα ἢ Σίσυφον ἢ ἄλλους μυρίους ἄν τις εἴποι καὶ ἄνδρας καὶ γυναῖκας, οἷς ἐκεῖ διαλέγεσθαι καὶ συνεῖναι καὶ ἐξετάζειν ἀμήχανον ἂν εἴη εὐδαιμονίας;
At what price, gentlemen of the jury, would one accept to examine the one who led the great army against Troy, or Odysseus, or Sisyphus, or countless others whom one might mention, both men and women, with whom to converse and to associate and to examine there would be an inconceivable happiness?
πάντως οὐ δήπου τούτου γε ἕνεκα οἱ ἐκεῖ ἀποκτείνουσι· τά τε γὰρ ἄλλα εὐδαιμονέστεροί εἰσιν οἱ ἐκεῖ τῶν ἐνθάδε, καὶ ἤδη τὸν λοιπὸν χρόνον ἀθάνατοί εἰσιν, εἴπερ γε τὰ λεγόμενα ἀληθῆ.
In any case, surely they do not put people to death there for this; for not only are those there happier than those here in other respects, but they are also immortal for the rest of time, if indeed what is said is true.
ἀλλὰ καὶ ὑμᾶς χρή, ὦ ἄνδρες δικασταί, εὐέλπιδας εἶναι πρὸς τὸν θάνατον, καὶ ἕν τι τοῦτο διανοεῖσθαι ἀληθές, ὅτι οὐκ ἔστιν ἀνδρὶ ἀγαθῷ κακὸν οὐδὲν οὔτε ζῶντι οὔτε τελευτήσαντι, οὐδὲ ἀμελεῖται ὑπὸ θεῶν τὰ τούτου πράγματα·
But you too, gentlemen of the jury, must be of good hope towards death, and keep this one thing in mind as true, that nothing bad can happen to a good man, either in life or after death, nor are his affairs neglected by the gods.
οὐδὲ τὰ ἐμὰ νῦν ἀπὸ τοῦ αὐτομάτου γέγονεν, ἀλλά μοι δῆλόν ἐστι τοῦτο, ὅτι ἤδη τεθνάναι καὶ ἀπηλλάχθαι πραγμάτων βέλτιον ἦν μοι.
Nor have my own affairs now happened by chance, but this is clear to me, that to die now and to be released from troubles was better for me.
διὰ τοῦτο καὶ ἐμὲ οὐδαμοῦ ἀπέτρεψεν τὸ σημεῖον, καὶ ἔγωγε τοῖς καταψηφισαμένοις μου καὶ τοῖς κατηγόροις οὐ πάνυ χαλεπαίνω.
For this reason, too, the sign did not turn me back anywhere, and I, for my part, am not at all angry with those who voted to condemn me and with my accusers.
καίτοι οὐ ταύτῃ τῇ διανοίᾳ κατεψηφίζοντό μου καὶ κατηγόρουν, ἀλλʼ οἰόμενοι βλάπτειν· τοῦτο αὐτοῖς ἄξιον μέμφεσθαι.
And yet they did not vote to condemn me and accuse me with this intention, but thinking to harm me; this is worthy of blame in them.
τοσόνδε μέντοι αὐτῶν δέομαι· τοὺς ὑεῖς μου, ἐπειδὰν ἡβήσωσι, τιμωρήσασθε, ὦ ἄνδρες, ταὐτὰ ταῦτα λυποῦντες ἅπερ ἐγὼ ὑμᾶς ἐλύπουν, ἐὰν ὑμῖν δοκῶσιν ἢ χρημάτων ἢ ἄλλου του πρότερον ἐπιμελεῖσθαι ἢ ἀρετῆς, καὶ ἐὰν δοκῶσί τι εἶναι μηδὲν ὄντες, ὀνειδίζετε αὐτοῖς ὥσπερ ἐγὼ ὑμῖν, ὅτι οὐκ ἐπιμελοῦνται ὧν δεῖ, καὶ οἴονταί τι εἶναι ὄντες οὐδενὸς ἄξιοι.
This much, however, I beg of them: when my sons grow up, punish them, gentlemen, by causing them the very same pain that I caused you, if they seem to you to care for money or anything else before virtue, and if they think they are something when they are nothing, reproach them just as I reproached you, because they do not care for what they ought, and they think they are something when they are worthy of nothing.
§42καὶ ἐὰν ταῦτα ποιῆτε, δίκαια πεπονθὼς ἐγὼ ἔσομαι ὑφʼ ὑμῶν αὐτός τε καὶ οἱ ὑεῖς.
And if you do this, I shall have received justice from you, both myself and my sons.
ἀλλὰ γὰρ ἤδη ὥρα ἀπιέναι, ἐμοὶ μὲν ἀποθανουμένῳ, ὑμῖν δὲ βιωσομένοις· ὁπότεροι δὲ ἡμῶν ἔρχονται ἐπὶ ἄμεινον πρᾶγμα, ἄδηλον παντὶ πλὴν ἢ τῷ θεῷ.
But indeed it is now time to go, for me to die, and for you to live; but which of us goes to a better thing is hidden from everyone except the god.

Notes

  1. 41aἀπαλλαγεὶς τουτωνὶ τῶν φασκόντων δικαστῶν εἶναι — The passive participle `ἀπαλλαγείς` governs the genitive of separation `τουτωνὶ τῶν φασκόντων`. `δικαστῶν` is the predicate noun of the infinitive `εἶναι`, agreeing in case with the genitive `φασκόντων` by attraction or case agreement.
  2. 41bἀντιπαραβάλλοντι — Dative present active participle. It agrees with the dative of interest/advantage `ἔμοιγε καὶ αὐτῷ` ('for me myself too') in the main clause, functioning adverbially to add a temporal ('when comparing') or instrumental ('by comparing') sense to the stay in Hades.
  3. 41bτοὺς ἐκεῖ ἐξετάζοντα καὶ ἐρευνῶντα ὥσπερ τοὺς ἐνταῦθα διάγειν — Since the implied subject of the infinitive `διάγειν` is the accusative `ἐμέ` (omitted), the modifying participles `ἐξετάζοντα` and `ἐρευνῶντα` are also in the accusative. This entire infinitive clause stands in apposition to the preceding accusative phrase `τὸ μέγιστον` ('the greatest thing').
  4. 41cἀμήχανον ἂν εἴη εὐδαιμονίας — The genitive `εὐδαιμονίας` is a genitive of relation or quality modifying the adjective `ἀμήχανον` ('inconceivable', 'unfathomable'), indicating an extraordinary degree: 'inconceivable in terms of happiness' (i.e., 'limitless happiness').

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Plato, Apology §41-42. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg002.humanitext-grc2:41-42

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