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Plato · Apology §22-23

Examining Poets and Artisans and the Origin of Enmity

Passage 5 of 19 · Greek

Summary

Socrates explains that after the politicians, he examined poets and artisans, only to find that their specialized knowledge led them to falsely believe they were wise in other major matters, reaffirming his own superiority in knowing his own ignorance. He notes that this ongoing pursuit created intense hatred and the prejudice of him being "wise," leading to common slanders against philosophers.

§22καὶ νὴ τὸν κύνα, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι— δεῖ γὰρ πρὸς ὑμᾶς τἀληθῆ λέγειν—ἦ μὴν ἐγὼ ἔπαθόν τι τοιοῦτον· οἱ μὲν μάλιστα εὐδοκιμοῦντες ἔδοξάν μοι ὀλίγου δεῖν τοῦ πλείστου ἐνδεεῖς εἶναι ζητοῦντι κατὰ τὸν θεόν, ἄλλοι δὲ δοκοῦντες φαυλότεροι ἐπιεικέστεροι εἶναι ἄνδρες πρὸς τὸ φρονίμως ἔχειν.
And by the dog, men of Athens—for I must tell you the truth—I certainly experienced something of this kind: those who were most in repute seemed to me, in my search according to the god, to be almost most wanting in wisdom, while others who seemed more ordinary seemed to be men more capable with respect to being wise.
δεῖ δὴ ὑμῖν τὴν ἐμὴν πλάνην ἐπιδεῖξαι ὥσπερ πόνους τινὰς πονοῦντος ἵνα μοι καὶ ἀνέλεγκτος ἡ μαντεία γένοιτο.
I must indeed display to you my wandering, as of one undergoing certain labors, so that the oracle might become unrefuted for me after all.
μετὰ γὰρ τοὺς πολιτικοὺς ᾖα ἐπὶ τοὺς ποιητὰς τούς τε τῶν τραγῳδιῶν καὶ τοὺς τῶν διθυράμβων καὶ τοὺς ἄλλους, ὡς ἐνταῦθα ἐπʼ αὐτοφώρῳ καταληψόμενος ἐμαυτὸν ἀμαθέστερον ἐκείνων ὄντα.
For after the politicians, I went to the poets, both those of tragedies and those of dithyrambs and the others, so that there I might catch myself in the act of being more ignorant than they.
ἀναλαμβάνων οὖν αὐτῶν τὰ ποιήματα ἅ μοι ἐδόκει μάλιστα πεπραγματεῦσθαι αὐτοῖς, διηρώτων ἂν αὐτοὺς τί λέγοιεν, ἵνʼ ἅμα τι καὶ μανθάνοιμι παρʼ αὐτῶν.
Taking up, then, those of their poems which seemed to me to have been most carefully wrought by them, I would ask them what they meant, so that at the same time I might also learn something from them.
αἰσχύνομαι οὖν ὑμῖν εἰπεῖν, ὦ ἄνδρες, τἀληθῆ· ὅμως δὲ ῥητέον.
Now I am ashamed to tell you the truth, gentlemen; but nevertheless it must be told.
ὡς ἔπος γὰρ εἰπεῖν ὀλίγου αὐτῶν ἅπαντες οἱ παρόντες ἂν βέλτιον ἔλεγον περὶ ὧν αὐτοὶ ἐπεποιήκεσαν.
For to speak briefly, almost all those present would have spoken better about the things which the poets themselves had made.
ἔγνων οὖν αὖ καὶ περὶ τῶν ποιητῶν ἐν ὀλίγῳ τοῦτο, ὅτι οὐ σοφίᾳ ποιοῖεν ἃ ποιοῖεν, ἀλλὰ φύσει τινὶ καὶ ἐνθουσιάζοντες ὥσπερ οἱ θεομάντεις καὶ οἱ χρησμῳδοί· καὶ γὰρ οὗτοι λέγουσι μὲν πολλὰ καὶ καλά, ἴσασιν δὲ οὐδὲν ὧν λέγουσι.
So I soon realized this too about the poets, that they do not make what they make by wisdom, but by some nature and because they are inspired, like prophets and oracle-mongers; for these also say many fine things, but know nothing of what they say.
τοιοῦτόν τί μοι ἐφάνησαν πάθος καὶ οἱ ποιηταὶ πεπονθότες, καὶ ἅμα ᾐσθόμην αὐτῶν διὰ τὴν ποίησιν οἰομένων καὶ τἆλλα σοφωτάτων εἶναι ἀνθρώπων ἃ οὐκ ἦσαν.
The poets also appeared to me to have experienced some such state; and at the same time I perceived that, because of their poetry, they thought they were the wisest of men in other things too, in which they were not.
ἀπῇα οὖν καὶ ἐντεῦθεν τῷ αὐτῷ οἰόμενος περιγεγονέναι ᾧπερ καὶ τῶν πολιτικῶν.
So I went away from them too, thinking that I was superior to them in the very same thing in which I was superior to the politicians.
τελευτῶν οὖν ἐπὶ τοὺς χειροτέχνας ᾖα· ἐμαυτῷ γὰρ συνῄδη οὐδὲν ἐπισταμένῳ ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν, τούτους δέ γʼ ᾔδη ὅτι εὑρήσοιμι πολλὰ καὶ καλὰ ἐπισταμένους.
Finally, then, I went to the artisans; for I was conscious in myself of knowing nothing, so to speak, but I knew indeed that I would find them knowing many fine things.
καὶ τούτου μὲν οὐκ ἐψεύσθην, ἀλλʼ ἠπίσταντο ἃ ἐγὼ οὐκ ἠπιστάμην καί μου ταύτῃ σοφώτεροι ἦσαν.
And in this I was not deceived; they knew things which I did not know, and in this way they were wiser than I.
ἀλλʼ, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, ταὐτόν μοι ἔδοξαν ἔχειν ἁμάρτημα ὅπερ καὶ οἱ ποιηταὶ καὶ οἱ ἀγαθοὶ δημιουργοί—διὰ τὸ τὴν τέχνην καλῶς ἐξεργάζεσθαι ἕκαστος ἠξίου καὶ τἆλλα τὰ μέγιστα σοφώτατος εἶναι—καὶ αὐτῶν αὕτη ἡ πλημμέλεια ἐκείνην τὴν σοφίαν ἀποκρύπτειν· ὥστε με ἐμαυτὸν ἀνερωτᾶν ὑπὲρ τοῦ χρησμοῦ πότερα δεξαίμην ἂν οὕτως ὥσπερ ἔχω ἔχειν, μήτε τι σοφὸς ὢν τὴν ἐκείνων σοφίαν μήτε ἀμαθὴς τὴν ἀμαθίαν, ἢ ἀμφότερα ἃ ἐκεῖνοι ἔχουσιν ἔχειν.
But, men of Athens, the good artisans seemed to me to have the very same fault as the poets—because he performed his art well, each one claimed to be most wise in the other greatest things too—and this error of theirs seemed to hide that wisdom of theirs; so that I asked myself on behalf of the oracle whether I would prefer to be just as I am, being neither wise with their wisdom nor ignorant with their ignorance, or to have both which they have.
ἀπεκρινάμην οὖν ἐμαυτῷ καὶ τῷ χρησμῷ ὅτι μοι λυσιτελοῖ ὥσπερ ἔχω ἔχειν.
I answered then to myself and to the oracle that it was better for me to be just as I am.
§23ἐκ ταυτησὶ δὴ τῆς ἐξετάσεως, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, πολλαὶ μὲν ἀπέχθειαί μοι γεγόνασι καὶ οἷαι χαλεπώταται καὶ βαρύταται, ὥστε πολλὰς διαβολὰς ἀπʼ αὐτῶν γεγονέναι, ὄνομα δὲ τοῦτο λέγεσθαι, σοφὸς εἶναι· οἴονται γάρ με ἑκάστοτε οἱ παρόντες ταῦτα αὐτὸν εἶναι σοφὸν ἃ ἂν ἄλλον ἐξελέγξω.
From this inquiry indeed, men of Athens, many hatreds have arisen against me, and such as are most difficult and heavy, so that many slanders have arisen from them, and this name of being 'wise' has been given to me; for those present on each occasion think that I myself am wise in those things in which I refute someone else.
τὸ δὲ κινδυνεύει, ὦ ἄνδρες, τῷ ὄντι ὁ θεὸς σοφὸς εἶναι, καὶ ἐν τῷ χρησμῷ τούτῳ τοῦτο λέγειν, ὅτι ἡ ἀνθρωπίνη σοφία ὀλίγου τινὸς ἀξία ἐστὶν καὶ οὐδενός.
But in fact, gentlemen, the god is likely to be truly wise, and in this oracle to mean this, that human wisdom is of little value or none.
καὶ φαίνεται τοῦτον λέγειν τὸν Σωκράτη, προσκεχρῆσθαι δὲ τῷ ἐμῷ ὀνόματι, ἐμὲ παράδειγμα ποιούμενος, ὥσπερ ἂν εἰ εἴποι ὅτι οὗτος ὑμῶν, ὦ ἄνθρωποι, σοφώτατός ἐστιν, ὅστις ὥσπερ Σωκράτης ἔγνωκεν ὅτι οὐδενὸς ἄξιός ἐστι τῇ ἀληθείᾳ πρὸς σοφίαν. ταῦτʼ οὖν ἐγὼ μὲν ἔτι καὶ νῦν περιιὼν ζητῶ καὶ ἐρευνῶ κατὰ τὸν θεὸν καὶ τῶν ἀστῶν καὶ ξένων ἄν τινα οἴωμαι σοφὸν εἶναι· καὶ ἐπειδάν μοι μὴ δοκῇ, τῷ θεῷ βοηθῶν ἐνδείκνυμαι ὅτι οὐκ ἔστι σοφός.
And he seems to be speaking of this Socrates, and to have used my name, making me an example, just as if he should say: 'He among you, O men, is wisest, who like Socrates has recognized that he is in truth of no value with respect to wisdom.' These things indeed I still even now go about seeking and searching into according to the god, both among citizens and strangers, if I think anyone is wise; and when he does not seem so to me, I assist the god and show that he is not wise.
καὶ ὑπὸ ταύτης τῆς ἀσχολίας οὔτε τι τῶν τῆς πόλεως πρᾶξαί μοι σχολὴ γέγονεν ἄξιον λόγου οὔτε τῶν οἰκείων, ἀλλʼ ἐν πενίᾳ μυρίᾳ εἰμὶ διὰ τὴν τοῦ θεοῦ λατρείαν.
And because of this occupation, I have had no leisure to do any of the affairs of the city worth mentioning, nor of my own, but I am in extreme poverty because of my service to the god.
πρὸς δὲ τούτοις οἱ νέοι μοι ἐπακολουθοῦντες—οἷς μάλιστα σχολή ἐστιν, οἱ τῶν πλουσιωτάτων—αὐτόματοι, χαίρουσιν ἀκούοντες ἐξεταζομένων τῶν ἀνθρώπων, καὶ αὐτοὶ πολλάκις ἐμὲ μιμοῦνται, εἶτα ἐπιχειροῦσιν ἄλλους ἐξετάζειν· κἄπειτα οἶμαι εὑρίσκουσι πολλὴν ἀφθονίαν οἰομένων μὲν εἰδέναι τι ἀνθρώπων, εἰδότων δὲ ὀλίγα ἢ οὐδέν.
Moreover, the young men who follow me of their own accord—those who have the most leisure, the sons of the wealthiest—enjoy hearing men examined, and they themselves often imitate me, and then attempt to examine others; and then, I think, they find a great abundance of men who think they know something, but know little or nothing.
ἐντεῦθεν οὖν οἱ ὑπʼ αὐτῶν ἐξεταζόμενοι ἐμοὶ ὀργίζονται, οὐχ αὑτοῖς, καὶ λέγουσιν ὡς Σωκράτης τίς ἐστι μιαρώτατος καὶ διαφθείρει τοὺς νέους·
As a result, those examined by them are angry with me, not with themselves, and say that there is a certain Socrates, a most abominable man, who corrupts the youth.
καὶ ἐπειδάν τις αὐτοὺς ἐρωτᾷ ὅτι ποιῶν καὶ ὅτι διδάσκων, ἔχουσι μὲν οὐδὲν εἰπεῖν ἀλλʼ ἀγνοοῦσιν, ἵνα δὲ μὴ δοκῶσιν ἀπορεῖν, τὰ κατὰ πάντων τῶν φιλοσοφούντων πρόχειρα ταῦτα λέγουσιν, ὅτι τὰ μετέωρα καὶ τὰ ὑπὸ γῆς καὶ θεοὺς μὴ νομίζειν καὶ τὸν ἥττω λόγον κρείττω ποιεῖν. τὰ γὰρ ἀληθῆ οἴομαι οὐκ ἂν ἐθέλοιεν λέγειν, ὅτι κατάδηλοι γίγνονται προσποιούμενοι μὲν εἰδέναι, εἰδότες δὲ οὐδέν.
And whenever someone asks them, 'by doing what and teaching what?' they have nothing to say but are ignorant, but so that they may not seem to be at a loss, they say these things that are ready at hand against all who philosophize: 'the things in the air and the things beneath the earth,' and 'not to believe in gods,' and 'to make the weaker argument the stronger.' For they would not, I think, wish to speak the truth, that they are clearly shown to pretend to know, though they know nothing.
ἅτε οὖν οἶμαι φιλότιμοι ὄντες καὶ σφοδροὶ καὶ πολλοί, καὶ συντεταμένως καὶ πιθανῶς λέγοντες περὶ ἐμοῦ, ἐμπεπλήκασιν ὑμῶν τὰ ὦτα καὶ πάλαι καὶ σφοδρῶς διαβάλλοντες.
Since then, I think, they are ambitious and vehement and numerous, and speak about me in an organized and persuasive way, they have filled your ears, slandering me both long ago and vehemently.

Notes

  1. 22aἐμὴν πλάνην ... πονοῦντος — The genitive present participle πονοῦντος modifies the possessive adjective ἐμὴν as if it were the genitive of the personal pronoun (ἐμοῦ). It translates to "my wandering, as of one undergoing certain labors."
  2. 22bὀλίγου αὐτῶν ἅπαντες — Here ὀλίγου is used adverbially to mean "almost," modifying ἅπαντες ("almost all"). αὐτῶν refers to the poets' works.
  3. 22eοὕτως ὥσπερ ἔχω ἔχειν — The infinitive ἔχειν serves as the object of δεξαίμην ἂν. The clause ὥσπερ ἔχω means "just as I am" (ἔχω with an adverb meaning "to be in a state"). Thus, the phrase means "to be just as I am."
  4. 23aτὸ δὲ κινδυνεύει — tò dé is an adverbial phrase meaning "but in fact" or "but actually." kindūneuei is used impersonally to mean "it is likely" or "it seems," taking the accusative with infinitive clause (ho theos sophos einai) as its subject.

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Plato, Apology §22-23. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg002.humanitext-grc2:22-23

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