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Thucydides · History of the Peloponnesian War §1.10.1-1.10.5

Ruins versus Power and the Trojan Expedition's Scale

Passage 10 of 917 · Greek

Summary

The author argues that the size of an expedition should not be underestimated based on the small scale of ancient ruins, illustrating the discrepancy between outward appearance and actual power through hypothetical ruins of Sparta and Athens. He then estimates the size of the Trojan expeditionary force using Homeric records.

§1.10.1καὶ ὅτι μὲν Μυκῆναι μικρὸν ἦν, ἢ εἴ τι τῶν τότε πόλισμα νῦν μὴ ἀξιόχρεων δοκεῖ εἶναι, οὐκ ἀκριβεῖ ἄν τις σημείῳ χρώμενος ἀπιστοίη μὴ γενέσθαι τὸν στόλον τοσοῦτον ὅσον οἵ τε ποιηταὶ εἰρήκασι καὶ ὁ λόγος κατέχει.
And because Mycenae was small, or if any town of that time now seems to be of little account, one should not, by using an inaccurate proof, disbelieve that the expedition was as large as the poets have said and as tradition holds.
§1.10.2Λακεδαιμονίων γὰρ εἰ ἡ πόλις ἐρημωθείη, λειφθείη δὲ τά τε ἱερὰ καὶ τῆς κατασκευῆς τὰ ἐδάφη, πολλὴν ἂν οἶμαι ἀπιστίαν τῆς δυνάμεως προελθόντος πολλοῦ χρόνου τοῖς ἔπειτα πρὸς τὸ κλέος αὐτῶν εἶναι (καίτοι Πελοποννήσου τῶν πέντε τὰς δύο μοίρας νέμονται, τῆς τε ξυμπάσης ἡγοῦνται καὶ τῶν ἔξω ξυμμάχων πολλῶν· ὅμως δὲ οὔτε ξυνοικισθείσης πόλεως οὔτε ἱεροῖς καὶ κατασκευαῖς πολυτελέσι χρησαμένης, κατὰ κώμας δὲ τῷ παλαιῷ τῆς Ἑλλάδος τρόπῳ οἰκισθείσης, φαίνοιτ’ ἂν ὑποδεεστέρα), Ἀθηναίων δὲ τὸ αὐτὸ τοῦτο παθόντων διπλασίαν ἂν τὴν δύναμιν εἰκάζεσθαι ἀπὸ τῆς φανερᾶς ὄψεως τῆς πόλεως ἢ ἔστιν.
For if the city of the Lacedaemonians were to be deserted, and only the temples and the foundations of the buildings were left, I think that after a long time has passed, there would be great disbelief in their power among posterity in comparison with their fame (although they occupy two fifths of the Peloponnese, and lead the whole of it and many external allies; nevertheless, since the city is not built in one contiguous area, nor does it possess costly temples and buildings, but is inhabited in villages after the ancient fashion of Greece, it would appear inferior); whereas if the Athenians were to suffer this same fate, their power would be estimated from the visible appearance of the city to be twice as great as it actually is.
§1.10.3οὔκουν ἀπιστεῖν εἰκός, οὐδὲ τὰς ὄψεις τῶν πόλεων μᾶλλον σκοπεῖν ἢ τὰς δυνάμεις, νομίζειν δὲ τὴν στρατείαν ἐκείνην μεγίστην μὲν γενέσθαι τῶν πρὸ αὑτῆς, λειπομένην δὲ τῶν νῦν, τῇ Ὁμήρου αὖ ποιήσει εἴ τι χρὴ κἀνταῦθα πιστεύειν, ἣν εἰκὸς ἐπὶ τὸ μεῖζον μὲν ποιητὴν ὄντα κοσμῆσαι, ὅμως δὲ φαίνεται καὶ οὕτως ἐνδεεστέρα.
Refusing therefore to disbelieve, we should not look at the appearances of cities rather than their powers, but think that that expedition was indeed the greatest of those before it, but inferior to those of the present day, if indeed here too we must believe at all the poetry of Homer, whom it is natural, as a poet, to have adorned it on the side of exaggeration, but nevertheless, even so, it appears to be inferior.
§1.10.4πεποίηκε γὰρ χιλίων καὶ διακοσίων νεῶν τὰς μὲν Βοιωτῶν εἴκοσι καὶ ἑκατὸν ἀνδρῶν, τὰς δὲ Φιλοκτήτου πεντήκοντα, δηλῶν, ὡς ἐμοὶ δοκεῖ, τὰς μεγίστας καὶ ἐλαχίστας· ἄλλων γοῦν μεγέθους πέρι ἐν νεῶν καταλόγῳ οὐκ ἐμνήσθη.
For of the twelve hundred ships, he has made those of the Boeotians carry one hundred and twenty men, and those of Philoctetes fifty, showing, as it seems to me, the largest and the smallest; at least he made no mention of the size of others in the catalogue of ships.
αὐτερέται δὲ ὅτι ἦσαν καὶ μάχιμοι πάντες, ἐν ταῖς Φιλοκτήτου ναυσὶ δεδήλωκεν· τοξότας γὰρ πάντας πεποίηκε τοὺς προσκώπους.
And that they were all rowers and warriors at the same time, he has shown in the case of the ships of Philoctetes; for he has made all the rowers to be archers.
περίνεως δὲ οὐκ εἰκὸς πολλοὺς ξυμπλεῖν ἔξω τῶν βασιλέων καὶ τῶν μάλιστα ἐν τέλει, ἄλλως τε καὶ μέλλοντας πέλαγος περαιώσεσθαι μετὰ σκευῶν πολεμικῶν, οὐδ’ αὖ τὰ πλοῖα κατάφαρκτα ἔχοντας, ἀλλὰ τῷ παλαιῷ τρόπῳ λῃστικώτερον παρεσκευασμένα.
And it is not likely that many supernumeraries sailed with them, except the kings and those highest in office, especially since they were about to cross the open sea with warlike stores, and on the other hand did not have their ships decked, but equipped more like pirate ships after the old fashion.
§1.10.5πρὸς τὰς μεγίστας δ’ οὖν καὶ ἐλαχίστας ναῦς τὸ μέσον σκοποῦντι οὐ πολλοὶ φαίνονται ἐλθόντες, ὡς ἀπὸ πάσης τῆς Ἑλλάδος κοινῇ πεμπόμενοι.
At any rate, to one who looks at the average between the largest and the smallest ships, the men who came do not appear many, considering they were sent in common from the whole of Greece.

Notes

  1. §1.10.1μὴ γενέσθαι — The negative particle `μὴ` used with the infinitive after the verb of disbelief `ἀπιστοίη` is a redundant (or sympathetic) negative, which does not introduce a double negation but reinforces the negative concept of the main verb, meaning "disbelieve that the expedition was [so great]".
  2. §1.10.2Ἀθηναίων δὲ τὸ αὐτὸ τοῦτο παθόντων διπλασίαν ἂν τὴν δύναμιν εἰκάζεσθαι — In this clause with the genitive absolute `Ἀθηναίων ... παθόντων`, the infinitive `εἰκάζεσθαι` with `ἂν` (representing `ἂν εἰκάζοιτο`) is dependent on `οἶμαι` from the preceding sentence, standing in parallel construction with `πολλὴν ἂν ... εἶναι`.
  3. §1.10.3ἣν εἰκὸς ἐπὶ τὸ μεῖζον μὲν ποιητὴν ὄντα κοσμῆσαι — In the clause introduced by the relative pronoun `ἣν` (with the antecedent `ποιήσει`), the impersonal expression `εἰκὸς [ἐστί]` governs the infinitive `κοσμῆσαι`, whose subject accusative is implied to be Homer, described by the appositive participle phrase `ποιητὴν ὄντα` ("being a poet").
  4. §1.10.4περίνεως — This is the nominative plural of the Attic second-declension noun `περίνεως` (supernumeraries, or passengers who are not regular rowers), serving as the subject of the infinitive `ξυμπλεῖν`.
  5. §1.10.5σκοποῦντι — The dative masculine singular of the present participle of `σκοπέω`, used here as a dative of reference or judgment (dativus iudicantis), meaning "to one who estimates [the average]".

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Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War §1.10.1-1.10.5. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0003.tlg001.humanitext-grc2:1.10.1-1.10.5

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