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Strabo · Geography §3.5.8

Criticism of Poseidonius on Tides and Gadeira Wells

Passage 118 of 577 · Greek

Summary

Strabo criticizes Poseidonius for contradicting himself in explaining the strange phenomenon of the wells in Gadeira, despite having correctly detailed the daily, monthly, and annual tidal cycles in sympathy with the moon.

§3.5.8οὐκ οἶδα δὲ πῶς κατʼ ἄλλα δεινοὺς ἀποφαίνων ὁ Ποσειδώνιος τοὺς Φοίνικας ἐνταῦθα μωρίαν μᾶλλον ἢ δριμύτητα αὐτῶν κατέγνωκεν.
And I do not know how Poseidonius, while showing the Phoenicians to be clever in other matters, has in this case accused them of stupidity rather than shrewdness.
ἡμέρα μὲν γὰρ καὶ νὺξ τῇ τοῦ ἡλίου περιφορᾷ μετρεῖται τοτὲ μὲν ὑπὸ γῆς ὄντος τοτὲ δὲ ὑπὲρ γῆς φαινομένου·
For day and night are measured by the revolution of the sun, which is at one time under the earth and at another time appearing above the earth.
φησὶ δὲ τὴν τοῦ ὠκεανοῦ κίνησιν ὑπέχειν ἀστροειδῆ περίοδον, τὴν μὲν ἡμερήσιον ἀποδιδοῦσαν, τὴν δὲ μηνιαίαν, τὴν δʼ ἐνιαυσιαίαν συμπαθῶς τῇ σελήνῃ·
And he says that the movement of the ocean undergoes an astronomical period, rendering a daily, a monthly, and a yearly period, in sympathy with the moon.
ὅταν γὰρ αὕτη ζῳδίου μέγεθος ὑπερέχῃ τοῦ ὁρίζοντος, ἄρχεσθαι διοιδεῖν τὴν θάλατταν καὶ ἐπιβαίνειν τῆς γῆς αἰσθητῶς μέχρι μεσουρανήσεως·
For whenever she rises above the horizon by the size of a zodiacal sign, the sea begins to swell and visibly encroach upon the land until she reaches the meridian.
ἐκκλίναντος δὲ τοῦ ἄστρου, πάλιν ἀναχωρεῖν τὸ πέλαγος κατʼ ὀλίγον ἕως ἂν ζῴδιον ὑπερέχῃ τῆς δύσεως ἡ σελήνη, εἶτα μένειν τοσοῦτον ἐν τῇ αὐτῇ καταστάσει χρόνον ὅσον ἡ σελήνη συνάπτει πρὸς αὐτὴν τὴν δύσιν, καὶ ἔτι μᾶλλον τοσοῦτον ὅσον κινηθεῖσα ὑπὸ γῆς ζῴδιον ἀπόσχοι ἂν τοῦ ὁρίζοντος· εἶτʼ ἐπιβαίνειν πάλιν ἕως τοῦ ὑπὸ γῆν μεσουρανήματος· εἶτʼ ἀναχωρεῖν ἕως ἂν πρὸς τὰς ἀνατολὰς περιχωρήσασα ἡ σελήνη ζῴδιον τοῦ ὁρίζοντος ἀπόσχῃ, μένειν δὲ μέχρι ἂν ζῴδιον ὑπὲρ γῆς μετεωρισθῇ, καὶ πάλιν ἐπιβαίνειν· ταύτην μὲν εἶναι λέγει τὴν ἡμερήσιον περίοδον.
But when the star declines, the sea retreats again little by little until the moon is above the setting horizon by a zodiacal sign; then it remains in the same state for as long a time as the moon approaches the actual setting, and still further, for as long a time as, having moved under the earth, it is distant from the horizon by a zodiacal sign; then it encroaches again until its transit of the meridian under the earth; then it retreats until the moon, having moved around toward the east, is distant from the horizon by a zodiacal sign, and it remains so until she is elevated above the earth by a zodiacal sign, and then it encroaches again; this, he says, is the daily period.
τὴν δὲ μηνιαίαν, ὅτι μέγισται μὲν αἱ παλίρροιαι γίνονται περὶ τὰς συνόδους, εἶτα μειοῦνται μέχρι διχοτόμου· πάλιν δʼ αὔξονται μέχρι πανσελήνου, καὶ μειοῦνται πάλιν ἕως διχοτόμου φθινάδος· εἶθʼ ἕως τῶν συνόδων αἱ αὐξήσεις· πλεονάζειν δὲ καὶ χρόνῳ καὶ τάχει τὰς αὐξήσεις.
As for the monthly period, the greatest tides occur about the conjunctions, then they decrease until the first quarter; and again they increase until the full moon, and decrease again until the last quarter; then up to the conjunctions are the increases; and the increases exceed both in duration and in speed.
τὰς δʼ ἐνιαυσιαίας παρὰ τῶν ἐν Γαδείροις πυθέσθαι φησί, λεγόντων ὡς κατὰ θερινὰς τροπὰς μάλιστα αὔξοιντο καὶ αἱ ἀναχωρήσεις καὶ αἱ ἐπιβάσεις.
And he says that he learned about the annual periods from the people in Gadeira, who say that at the summer solstice especially, both the retreats and the encroachments increase to the maximum.
εἰκάζει δʼ αὐτὸς ἀπὸ τῶν τροπῶν μειοῦσθαι μὲν ἕως ἰσημερίας, αὔξεσθαι δὲ ἕως χειμερινῶν τροπῶν· εἶτα μειοῦσθαι μέχρι ἐαρινῆς ἰσημερίας· εἶτʼ αὔξεσθαι μέχρι θερινῶν τροπῶν.
But he himself conjectures that from the solstice they decrease until the equinox, and increase until the winter solstice; then they decrease until the spring equinox, and then increase until the summer solstice.
τῶν δὲ περιόδων τούτων οὐσῶν καθʼ ἑκάστην ἡμέραν καὶ νύκτα, τὸν συνάμφω χρόνον δὶς μὲν ἐπιβαινούσης τῆς θαλάττης δὶς δὲ ἀναχωρούσης, τεταγμένως δὲ καὶ τῶν ἡμερησίων χρόνων καὶ τῶν νυκτερινῶν, πῶς οἷόν τε πολλάκις μὲν συμβαίνειν κατὰ τὰς ἀμπώτεις τὴν πλήρωσιν τοῦ φρέατος, μὴ πολλάκις δὲ τὴν λειψυδρίαν;
But since these periods occur during each day and night, the sea twice encroaching and twice retreating during the combined time, and both the daytime periods and the nighttime periods being regular, how is it possible that the filling of the well should often coincide with the ebb tides, but its lack of water should not often?
ἢ πολλάκις μέν, μὴ ἰσάκις δέ;
Or often indeed, but not equally often?
ἢ καὶ ἰσάκις μέν, τοὺς δὲ Γαδειρίτας ταῦτα μὲν μὴ ἱκανοὺς γενέσθαι τηρῆσαι τὰ καθʼ ἡμέραν γινόμενα, τὰς δʼ ἐνιαυσίους περιόδους ἐκ τῶν ἅπαξ συμβαινόντων κατʼ ἔτος τηρῆσαι;
Or even equally often indeed, but that the Gadeiritans were not capable of observing these things which happen daily, yet observed the annual periods from things that happen once a year?
ἀλλὰ μὴν ὅτι γε πιστεύει αὐτοῖς, δῆλον ἐξ ὧν καὶ προσεικάζει γίνεσθαι τὰς μειώσεις καὶ πάλιν αὐξήσεις ἀπὸ τροπῶν ἐπὶ τροπάς τε ἑτέρας κἀκεῖθεν πάλιν ἐπανόδους.
And yet, that he indeed believes them is clear from the fact that he also conjectures the decreases and again the increases to happen from one solstice to the other, and the returns from there again.
καὶ μὴν οὐδὲ ἐκεῖνο εἰκός, ὅτι τηρητικοὶ ὄντες τὰ μὲν συμβαίνοντα οὐκ εἶδον, τοῖς δὲ μὴ συμβαίνουσιν ἐπίστευσαν.
And besides, neither is that plausible, namely, that though they were observant, they did not see the things that do happen, but believed in things that do not happen.

Notes

  1. §3.5.8οὐκ οἶδα δὲ πῶς — The indirect question introduced by πῶς extends to the verb κατέγνωκεν. The participle ἀποφαίνων is concessive ("while showing..."), modifying the subject ὁ Ποσειδώνιος. τοὺς Φοίνικας is the object of ἀποφαίνων, and δεινούς is its predicate accusative.
  2. §3.5.8ζῳδίου μέγεθος — Accusative of extent of space or degree, referring to the width of one zodiacal sign (about 30 degrees, corresponding to about two hours of the sun's or moon's movement).
  3. §3.5.8τῶν δὲ περιόδων τούτων οὐσῶν — Genitive absolute expressing the circumstance or concession under which the main question πῶς οἷόν τε ("how is it possible") is asked. Within this clause, ἐπιβαινούσης and ἀναχωρούσης form another nested genitive absolute with τῆς θαλάττης as their logical subject.
  4. §3.5.8τοὺς δὲ Γαδειρίτας ταῦτα μὲν μὴ ἱκανοὺς γενέσθαι — An accusative and infinitive construction depending on the continuing logical force of the question πῶς οἷόν τε ("how is it possible that..."). τοὺς Γαδειρίτας is the subject accusative of the infinitives γενέσθαι and τηρῆσαι.

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Strabo, Geography §3.5.8. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0099.tlg001.humanitext-grc2:3.5.8

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