§2.310Πλάτων Διονυσίῳ εὖ πράττειν.
Plato to Dionysius, wishing him well.
ἤκουσα Ἀρχεδήμου ὅτι σὺ ἡγῇ χρῆναι περὶ σοῦ μὴ μόνον ἐμὲ ἡσυχίαν ἄγειν, ἀλλὰ καὶ τοὺς ἐμοὺς ἐπιτηδείους τοῦ φλαῦρόν τι ποιεῖν ἢ λέγειν περὶ σέ· Δίωνα δὲ μόνον ἐξαίρετον ποιῇ.
I heard from Archedemus that you think it necessary not only for me to keep quiet about you, but also for my associates [to refrain] from doing or saying anything bad about you, and that you make Dion alone an exception.
οὗτος δὲ ὁ λόγος σημαίνει, τὸ Δίωνα ἐξαίρετον εἶναι, ὅτι οὐκ ἄρχω ἐγὼ τῶν ἐμῶν ἐπιτηδείων· εἰ γὰρ ἦρχον ἐγὼ οὕτω τῶν τε ἄλλων καὶ σοῦ καὶ Δίωνος, πλείω ἂν ἦν ἡμῖν τε πᾶσιν ἀγαθὰ τοῖς τε ἄλλοις Ἕλλησιν, ὡς ἐγώ φημι.
But this claim, namely that Dion is an exception, means that I do not rule my own associates; for if I did rule in this way over both the others and you and Dion, there would be more benefits for all of us and for the rest of the Greeks, as I say.
νῦν δὲ μέγας ἐγώ εἰμι ἐμαυτὸν παρέχων τῷ ἐμῷ λόγῳ ἑπόμενον.
But as it is, I am great in presenting myself as following my own reasoning.
καὶ ταῦτα λέγω ὡς οὐχ ὑγιές τι Κρατιστόλου καὶ Πολυξένου πρὸς σὲ εἰρηκότων, ὧν φασὶ λέγειν τὸν ἕτερον ὅτι ἀκούοι Ὀλυμπίασι πολλῶν τινων τῶν μετʼ ἐμοῦ σε κακηγορούντων.
And I say this because Cratistolus and Polyxenus have said something unsound to you, of whom they say one says that he heard at Olympia many of those with me speaking ill of you.
ἴσως γὰρ ὀξύτερον ἐμοῦ ἀκούει· ἐγὼ μὲν γὰρ οὐκ ἤκουσα.
For perhaps he hears more sharply than I; for I indeed did not hear.
χρὴ δέ, ὡς ἐμοὶ δοκεῖ, οὑτωσί σε ποιεῖν τοῦ λοιποῦ, ὅταν τι τοιοῦτον λέγῃ τις περὶ ἡμῶν τινος, γράμματα πέμψαντα ἐμὲ ἐρέσθαι· ἐγὼ γὰρ τἀληθῆ λέγειν οὔτε ὀκνήσω οὔτε αἰσχυνοῦμαι.
But it is necessary, as it seems to me, for you to do thus for the future: whenever someone says any such thing about any of us, send a letter and ask me; for I shall neither hesitate nor be ashamed to tell the truth.
ἐμοὶ δὲ δὴ καὶ σοὶ τὰ πρὸς ἀλλήλους οὑτωσὶ τυγχάνει ἔχοντα· οὔτε αὐτοὶ ἀγνῶτές ἐσμεν οὐδενὶ Ἑλλήνων ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν, οὔτε ἡ συνουσία ἡμῶν σιγᾶται.
And indeed for me and you, our relations with one another happen to be thus: we ourselves are not unknown to any of the Greeks, so to speak, nor is our association kept silent.
μὴ λανθανέτω δέ σε ὅτι οὐδʼ εἰς τὸν ἔπειτα χρόνον σιγηθήσεται· τοιοῦτοι οἱ παραδεδεγμένοι εἰσὶν αὐτήν, ἅτε οὐκ ὀλίγην γεγενημένην οὐδʼ ἠρέμα.
And let it not escape your notice that neither in the time hereafter will it be silenced; for such are those who have received it, since it has been neither small nor quiet.
τί οὖν δὴ λέγω νυνί;
What then do I say now?
ἐρῶ ἄνωθεν ἀρξάμενος.
I will tell, beginning from the beginning.
§2.311πέφυκε συνιέναι εἰς ταὐτὸν φρόνησίς τε καὶ δύναμις μεγάλη, καὶ ταῦτʼ ἄλληλα ἀεὶ διώκει καὶ ζητεῖ καὶ συγγίγνεται· ἔπειτα καὶ οἱ ἄνθρωποι χαίρουσιν περὶ τούτων αὐτοί τε διαλεγόμενοι καὶ ἄλλων ἀκούοντες ἔν τε ἰδίαις συνουσίαις καὶ ἐν ταῖς ποιήσεσιν.
It is natural for wisdom and great power to come together to the same place, and these always pursue and seek and associate with one another; furthermore, men also rejoice in speaking about these things themselves and hearing others [speak of them] both in private associations and in poetry.
οἷον καὶ περὶ Ἱέρωνος ὅταν διαλέγωνται ἄνθρωποι καὶ Παυσανίου τοῦ Λακεδαιμονίου, χαίρουσι τὴν Σιμωνίδου συνουσίαν παραφέροντες, ἅ τε ἔπραξεν καὶ εἶπεν πρὸς αὐτούς· καὶ Περίανδρον τὸν Κορίνθιον καὶ Θαλῆν τὸν Μιλήσιον ὑμνεῖν εἰώθασιν ἅμα, καὶ Περικλέα καὶ Ἀναξαγόραν, καὶ Κροῖσον αὖ καὶ Σόλωνα ὡς σοφοὺς καὶ Κῦρον ὡς δυνάστην.
For instance, when men talk about Hiero and Pausanias the Lacedaemonian, they rejoice to bring up their association with Simonides, and what he did and said to them; and they are accustomed to hymn together Periander of Corinth and Thales of Miletus, and Pericles and Anaxagoras, and Croesus again and Solon as wise men and Cyrus as a ruler.
καὶ δὴ ταῦτα μιμούμενοι οἱ ποιηταὶ Κρέοντα μὲν καὶ Τειρεσίαν συνάγουσιν, Πολύειδον δὲ καὶ Μίνω, Ἀγαμέμνονα δὲ καὶ Νέστορα καὶ Ὀδυσσέα καὶ Παλαμήδη—ὡς δʼ ἐμοὶ δοκεῖ, καὶ Προμηθέα Διὶ ταύτῃ πῃ συνῆγον οἱ πρῶτοι ἄνθρωποι—τούτων δὲ τοὺς μὲν εἰς διαφοράν, τοὺς δʼ εἰς φιλίαν ἀλλήλοις ἰόντας, τοὺς δὲ τοτὲ μὲν εἰς φιλίαν, τοτὲ δʼ εἰς διαφοράν, καὶ τὰ μὲν ὁμονοοῦντας, τὰ δὲ διαφερομένους ᾄδουσι.
And indeed, imitating these things, the poets bring together Creon and Tiresias, and Polyidus and Minos, and Agamemnon and Nestor and Odysseus and Palamedes—and as it seems to me, the earliest men also brought Prometheus together with Zeus in some such way—and they sing of these, some coming into disagreement with one another, others into friendship, and others sometimes into friendship and sometimes into disagreement, and agreeing in some things, differing in others.
πάντα δὴ ταῦτα λέγω τόδε βουλόμενος ἐνδείξασθαι, ὅτι οὐκ, ἐπειδὰν ἡμεῖς τελευτήσωμεν, καὶ οἱ λόγοι οἱ περὶ ἡμῶν αὐτῶν σεσιγήσονται· ὥστʼ ἐπιμελητέον αὐτῶν ἐστιν.
I say all these things wishing to point out this, that not, when we have died, will the talk about us also be silenced; so we must care for it.
ἀνάγκη γάρ, ὡς ἔοικε, μέλειν ἡμῖν καὶ τοῦ ἔπειτα χρόνου, ἐπειδὴ καὶ τυγχάνουσιν κατά τινα φύσιν οἱ μὲν ἀνδραποδωδέστατοι οὐδὲν φροντίζοντες αὐτοῦ, οἱ δʼ ἐπιεικέστατοι πᾶν ποιοῦντες ὅπως ἂν εἰς τὸν ἔπειτα χρόνον εὖ ἀκούσωσιν.
For it is necessary, as it seems, that we care also for the time hereafter, since by some nature the most slavish men care nothing for it, while the most decent do everything so that they may be well spoken of in the time hereafter.
ὃ δὴ καὶ ἐγὼ τεκμήριον ποιοῦμαι ὅτι ἔστιν τις αἴσθησις τοῖς τεθνεῶσιν τῶν ἐνθάδε· αἱ γὰρ βέλτισται ψυχαὶ μαντεύονται ταῦτα οὕτως ἔχειν, αἱ δὲ μοχθηρόταται οὔ φασι, κυριώτερα δὲ τὰ τῶν θείων ἀνδρῶν μαντεύματα ἢ τὰ τῶν μή.
Which indeed I also make a proof that there is some perception of things here for the dead; for the best souls divine that these things are so, while the most wicked say they are not, and the divinations of divine men are more authoritative than those of men who are not.
οἶμαι δʼ ἔγωγε τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν, περὶ ὧν λέγω, εἰ ἐξείη αὐτοῖς ἐπανορθώσασθαι τὰς αὑτῶν συνουσίας, πάνυ ἂν σπουδάσαι ὥστε βελτίω λέγεσθαι περὶ αὑτῶν ἢ νῦν.
And I at least think that, for those of former times whom I speak of, if it were allowed for them to correct their own associations, they would be very eager so that better things might be said about them than now.
τοῦτο οὖν ἡμῖν ἔτι, σὺν θεῷ εἰπεῖν, ἔξεστιν, εἴ τι ἄρα μὴ καλῶς πέπρακται κατὰ τὴν ἔμπροσθεν συνουσίαν, ἐπανορθώσασθαι καὶ ἔργῳ καὶ λόγῳ· περὶ γὰρ φιλοσοφίαν φημὶ ἐγὼ τὴν ἀληθινὴν δόξαν ἔσεσθαι καὶ λόγον ἡμῶν μὲν ὄντων ἐπιεικῶν βελτίω, φαύλων δέ, τοὐναντίον.
This, then, is still possible for us, to speak with God's help, if anything indeed has not been well done during our former association, to correct it both in deed and in word; for concerning philosophy I say that the true opinion and talk will be better if we are decent, but if we are worthless, the opposite.
καίτοι περὶ τούτου ἡμεῖς ἐπιμελούμενοι οὐδὲν ἂν εὐσεβέστερον πράττοιμεν, οὐδʼ ἀμελοῦντες ἀσεβέστερον.
And yet, in caring for this, we would do nothing more pious, nor in neglecting it, anything more impious.
ὡς δὴ δεῖ γίγνεσθαι, καὶ τὸ δίκαιον ᾗ ἔχει, ἐγὼ φράσω.
How indeed it must be done, and where the justice of it lies, I will explain.