§447ΚΑΛ. πολέμου καὶ μάχης φασὶ χρῆναι, ὦ Σώκρατες, οὕτω μεταλαγχάνειν. ΣΩ. ἀλλʼ ἦ, τὸ λεγόμενον, κατόπιν ἑορτῆς ἥκομεν καὶ ὑστεροῦμεν; ΚΑΛ. καὶ μάλα γε ἀστείας ἑορτῆς· πολλὰ γὰρ καὶ καλὰ Γοργίας ἡμῖν ὀλίγον πρότερον ἐπεδείξατο. ΣΩ. τούτων μέντοι, ὦ Καλλίκλεις, αἴτιος Χαιρεφῶν ὅδε, ἐν ἀγορᾷ ἀναγκάσας ἡμᾶς διατρῖψαι. ΧΑΙ. οὐδὲν πρᾶγμα, ὦ Σώκρατες·
\n Callicles: They say, Socrates, that one ought to partake in war and battle in this way.\nSocrates: Well then, as the saying goes, have we arrived after the festival and are we too late?\nCallicles: And a very elegant festival indeed; for Gorgias gave us an exhibition of many beautiful things just a little while ago.\nSocrates: However, Callicles, the cause of this is Chaerephon here, who forced us to linger in the marketplace.\n Chaerephon: No matter, Socrates; for I will also cure it.
ἐγὼ γὰρ καὶ ἰάσομαι. φίλος γάρ μοι Γοργίας, ὥστʼ ἐπιδείξεται ἡμῖν, εἰ μὲν δοκεῖ, νῦν, ἐὰν δὲ βούλῃ, εἰς αὖθις. ΚΑΛ. τί δέ, ὦ Χαιρεφῶν;
For Gorgias is a friend of mine, so he will give an exhibition for us, if you like, now, or if you prefer, some other time.\nCallicles: What is this, Chaerephon?
ἐπιθυμεῖ Σωκράτης ἀκοῦσαι Γοργίου; ΧΑΙ. ἐπʼ αὐτό γέ τοι τοῦτο πάρεσμεν. ΚΑΛ. οὐκοῦν ὅταν βούλησθε παρʼ ἐμὲ ἥκειν οἴκαδε· παρʼ ἐμοὶ γὰρ Γοργίας καταλύει καὶ ἐπιδείξεται ὑμῖν.
Does Socrates desire to hear Gorgias?\nChaerephon: Indeed, we are here for this very purpose.\nCallicles: Then, whenever you wish, come to my house; for Gorgias is staying with me and he will give an exhibition for you.\nSocrates: That is kind of you, Callicles.
ΣΩ. εὖ λέγεις, ὦ Καλλίκλεις. ἀλλʼ ἆρα ἐθελήσειεν ἂν ἡμῖν διαλεχθῆναι;
But would he be willing to converse with us?
βούλομαι γὰρ πυθέσθαι παρʼ αὐτοῦ τίς ἡ δύναμις τῆς τέχνης τοῦ ἀνδρός, καὶ τί ἐστιν ὃ ἐπαγγέλλεταί τε καὶ διδάσκει· τὴν δὲ ἄλλην ἐπίδειξιν εἰς αὖθις, ὥσπερ σὺ λέγεις, ποιησάσθω. ΚΑΛ. οὐδὲν οἷον τὸ αὐτὸν ἐρωτᾶν, ὦ Σώκρατες.
For I want to learn from him what the power of the man's art is, and what it is that he professes and teaches; let him make the rest of his exhibition some other time, as you say.\nCallicles: There is nothing like asking him himself, Socrates.
καὶ γὰρ αὐτῷ ἓν τοῦτʼ ἦν τῆς ἐπιδείξεως· ἐκέλευε γοῦν νυνδὴ ἐρωτᾶν ὅτι τις βούλοιτο τῶν ἔνδον ὄντων, καὶ πρὸς ἅπαντα ἔφη ἀποκρινεῖσθαι. ΣΩ. ἦ καλῶς λέγεις.
For indeed, this was one part of his exhibition; at any rate, just now he was inviting anyone of those inside to ask whatever they wished, and he said he would answer everything.\nSocrates: That is excellent news.
ὦ Χαιρεφῶν, ἐροῦ αὐτόν. ΧΑΙ. τί ἔρωμαι; ΣΩ. ὅστις ἐστίν. ΧΑΙ. πῶς λέγεις; ΣΩ. ὥσπερ ἂν εἰ ἐτύγχανεν ὢν ὑποδημάτων δημιουργός, ἀπεκρίνατο ἂν δήπου σοι ὅτι σκυτοτόμος· ἢ οὐ μανθάνεις ὡς λέγω; ΧΑΙ. μανθάνω καὶ ἐρήσομαι.
Chaerephon, ask him.\nChaerephon: What shall I ask?\n Socrates: Who he is.\nChaerephon: How do you mean?\nSocrates: Just as if he happened to be a maker of shoes, he would surely have answered you that he is a shoemaker; or do you not understand what I mean?\nChaerephon: I understand, and I will ask.
εἰπέ μοι, ὦ Γοργία, ἀληθῆ λέγει Καλλικλῆς ὅδε ὅτι ἐπαγγέλλῃ ἀποκρίνεσθαι ὅτι ἄν τίς σε ἐρωτᾷ; §448ΓΟΡ. ἀληθῆ, ὦ Χαιρεφῶν· καὶ γὰρ νυνδὴ αὐτὰ ταῦτα ἐπηγγελλόμην, καὶ λέγω ὅτι οὐδείς μέ πω ἠρώτηκε καινὸν οὐδὲν πολλῶν ἐτῶν. ΧΑΙ. ἦ που ἄρα ῥᾳδίως ἀποκρινῇ, ὦ Γοργία. ΓΟΡ. πάρεστι τούτου πεῖραν, ὦ Χαιρεφῶν, λαμβάνειν.
Tell me, Gorgias, is it true what Callicles here says, that you profess to answer whatever anyone asks you?\n\n Gorgias: It is true, Chaerephon; indeed, just now I was professing these very things, and I say that no one has asked me anything new for many years.\nChaerephon: Surely then you will answer easily, Gorgias.\nGorgias: It is open to you to make trial of this, Chaerephon.\nPolus: By Zeus!
ΠΩΛ. νὴ Δία· ἂν δέ γε βούλῃ, ὦ Χαιρεφῶν, ἐμοῦ.
And if you wish, Chaerephon, of me.
Γοργίας μὲν γὰρ καὶ ἀπειρηκέναι μοι δοκεῖ· πολλὰ γὰρ ἄρτι διελήλυθεν. ΧΑΙ. τί δέ, ὦ Πῶλε;
For Gorgias seems to me to be quite exhausted; for he has just gone through a great deal.\nChaerephon: What, Polus?
οἴει σὺ κάλλιον ἂν Γοργίου ἀποκρίνασθαι; ΠΩΛ. τί δὲ τοῦτο, ἐὰν σοί γε ἱκανῶς; ΧΑΙ. οὐδέν· ἀλλʼ ἐπειδὴ σὺ βούλει, ἀποκρίνου. ΠΩΛ. Ἐρώτα. ΧΑΙ. ἐρωτῶ δή.
Do you think you would answer better than Gorgias?\n Polus: What does that matter, if it is sufficient for you?\nChaerephon: No matter; but since you wish it, answer.\nPolus: Ask.\nChaerephon: I ask then.
εἰ ἐτύγχανε Γοργίας ἐπιστήμων ὢν τῆς τέχνης ἧσπερ ὁ ἀδελφὸς αὐτοῦ Ἡρόδικος, τί ἂν αὐτὸν ὠνομάζομεν δικαίως; οὐχ ὅπερ ἐκεῖνον;
If Gorgias happened to be knowledgeable in the art in which his brother Herodicus is, what should we justly name him?
ΠΩΛ. πάνυ γε. ΧΑΙ. ἰατρὸν ἄρα φάσκοντες αὐτὸν εἶναι καλῶς ἂν ἐλέγομεν. ΠΩΛ. ναί. ΧΑΙ. εἰ δέ γε ἧσπερ Ἀριστοφῶν ὁ Ἀγλαοφῶντος ἢ ὁ ἀδελφὸς αὐτοῦ ἔμπειρος ἦν τέχνης, τίνα ἂν αὐτὸν ὀρθῶς ἐκαλοῦμεν; ΠΩΛ. δῆλον ὅτι ζωγράφον. ΧΑΙ. νῦν δʼ ἐπειδὴ τίνος τέχνης ἐπιστήμων ἐστίν, τίνα ἂν καλοῦντες αὐτὸν ὀρθῶς καλοῖμεν; ΠΩΛ. ὦ Χαιρεφῶν, πολλαὶ τέχναι ἐν ἀνθρώποις εἰσὶν ἐκ τῶν ἐμπειριῶν ἐμπείρως ηὑρημέναι· ἐμπειρία μὲν γὰρ ποιεῖ τὸν αἰῶνα ἡμῶν πορεύεσθαι κατὰ τέχνην, ἀπειρία δὲ κατὰ τύχην.
Would it not be the same as his brother?\nPolus: Absolutely.\nChaerephon: Then in declaring him to be a doctor we should speak correctly.\nPolus: Yes.\nChaerephon: And if he were experienced in the art in which Aristophon, son of Aglaophon, or his brother was, what should we correctly call him?\n Polus: Obviously a painter.\nChaerephon: But now, since he is knowledgeable, in what art is he so, and what should we call him to call him correctly?\nPolus: Chaerephon, there are many arts among men, discovered experimentally from experiences; for experience makes our life proceed according to art, while inexperience makes it proceed according to chance.
ἑκάστων δὲ τούτων μεταλαμβάνουσιν ἄλλοι ἄλλων ἄλλως, τῶν δὲ ἀρίστων οἱ ἄριστοι· ὧν καὶ Γοργίας ἐστὶν ὅδε, καὶ μετέχει τῆς καλλίστης τῶν τεχνῶν. ΣΩ. καλῶς γε, ὦ Γοργία, φαίνεται πῶλος παρεσκευάσθαι εἰς λόγους· ἀλλὰ γὰρ ὃ ὑπέσχετο Χαιρεφῶντι οὐ ποιεῖ. ΓΟΡ. τί μάλιστα, ὦ Σώκρατες; ΣΩ. τὸ ἐρωτώμενον οὐ πάνυ μοι φαίνεται ἀποκρίνεσθαι. ΓΟΡ. ἀλλὰ σύ, εἰ βούλει, ἐροῦ αὐτόν. ΣΩ. οὔκ, εἰ αὐτῷ γε σοὶ βουλομένῳ ἐστὶν ἀποκρίνεσθαι, ἀλλὰ πολὺ ἂν ἥδιον σέ.
And of these several arts, different people partake in different ones in different ways, and the best people partake in the best; of whom Gorgias here is one, and he shares in the finest of the arts.\n Socrates: Indeed, Gorgias, Polus seems to be beautifully prepared for speaking; but yet, he is not doing what he promised Chaerephon.\nGorgias: In what way, especially, Socrates?\nSocrates: He does not seem to me to answer what is asked at all.\nGorgias: Well, if you wish, ask him yourself.\nSocrates: Not if you yourself are willing to answer; indeed, I would much rather ask you.
δῆλος γάρ μοι πῶλος καὶ ἐξ ὧν εἴρηκεν ὅτι τὴν καλουμένην ῥητορικὴν μᾶλλον μεμελέτηκεν ἢ διαλέγεσθαι. ΠΩΛ. τί δή, ὦ Σώκρατες; ΣΩ. ὅτι, ὦ Πῶλε, ἐρομένου Χαιρεφῶντος τίνος Γοργίας ἐπιστήμων τέχνης, ἐγκωμιάζεις μὲν αὐτοῦ τὴν τέχνην ὥσπερ τινὸς ψέγοντος, ἥτις δέ ἐστιν οὐκ ἀπεκρίνω. ΠΩΛ. οὐ γὰρ ἀπεκρινάμην ὅτι εἴη ἡ καλλίστη;
For Polus is clear to me, even from what he has said, that he has practiced what is called rhetoric more than conversing.\n Polus: Why is that, Socrates?\nSocrates: Because, Polus, when Chaerephon asked what art Gorgias is knowledgeable in, you praise his art as though someone were censuring it, but what it is you did not answer.\nPolus: Did I not answer that it was the finest?