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Plato · Euthydemus §303

Selling the Gods and Praise for Sophistic Art

Passage 23 of 25 · Greek

Summary

Dionysodorus and Euthydemus conclude that since the gods are Socrates' own and are animals, they can be sold or sacrificed, bringing the debate to a close. Socrates paradoxically praises their wisdom and the technical facility with which anyone can quickly imitate them.

§303ΣΩ. ἴθι δή μοι εὐθύς, ἦ δʼ ὅς, εἰπέ· ἐπειδὴ σὸν ὁμολογεῖς εἶναι τὸν Δία καὶ τοὺς ἄλλους θεούς, ἆρα ἔξεστί σοι αὐτοὺς ἀποδόσθαι ἢ δοῦναι ἢ ἄλλʼ ὅτι ἂν βούλῃ χρῆσθαι ὥσπερ τοῖς ἄλλοις ζῴοις; ἐγὼ μὲν οὖν, ὦ Κρίτων, ὥσπερ πληγεὶς ὑπὸ τοῦ λόγου, ἐκείμην ἄφωνος· ὁ δὲ Κτήσιππός μοι ἰὼν ὡς βοηθήσων, Πυππὰξ ὦ Ἡράκλεις, ἔφη, καλοῦ λόγου. —καὶ ὁ Διονυσόδωρος, πότερον οὖν, ἔφη, ὁ Ἡρακλῆς πυππάξ ἐστιν ἢ ὁ πυππὰξ Ἡρακλῆς; —καὶ ὁ Κτήσιππος, ὦ Πόσειδον, ἔφη, δεινῶν λόγων.
SOCRATES: 'Come now,' he said, 'tell me immediately: since you agree that Zeus and the other gods are yours, is it then permitted to you to sell them, or to give them, or to use them in whatever other way you wish, just like the other animals?' I indeed, O Crito, as if struck by the argument, lay speechless; but Ctesippus, coming to my aid, said, 'My word, O Heracles, what a beautiful argument!' —And Dionysodorus said, 'Is Heracles then a "my word", or is "my word" Heracles?' —And Ctesippus said, 'O Poseidon, what dreadful arguments.
ἀφίσταμαι· ἀμάχω τὼ ἄνδρε. ἐνταῦθα μέντοι, ὦ φίλε Κρίτων, οὐδεὶς ὅστις οὐ τῶν παρόντων ὑπερεπῄνεσε τὸν λόγον καὶ τὼ ἄνδρε, καὶ γελῶντες καὶ κροτοῦντες καὶ χαίροντες ὀλίγου παρετάθησαν.
I withdraw; the two men are invincible.' At this point, indeed, my dear Crito, there was no one of those present who did not extravagantly praise the argument and the two men, and laughing, clapping, and rejoicing, they were almost exhausted.
ἐπὶ μὲν γὰρ τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν ἐφʼ ἑκάστοις πᾶσι παγκάλως ἐθορύβουν μόνοι οἱ τοῦ Εὐθυδήμου ἐρασταί, ἐνταῦθα δὲ ὀλίγου καὶ οἱ κίονες οἱ ἐν τῷ Λυκείῳ ἐθορύβησάν τʼ ἐπὶ τοῖν ἀνδροῖν καὶ ἥσθησαν.
For while on each of the previous points only the admirers of Euthydemus had raised a splendid clamor, here almost even the pillars in the Lyceum clamored in approval of the two men and rejoiced.
ἐγὼ μὲν οὖν καὶ αὐτὸς οὕτω διετέθην, ὥστε ὁμολογεῖν μηδένας πώποτε ἀνθρώπους ἰδεῖν οὕτω σοφούς, καὶ παντάπασι καταδουλωθεὶς ὑπὸ τῆς σοφίας αὐτοῖν ἐπὶ τὸ ἐπαινεῖν τε καὶ ἐγκωμιάζειν αὐτὼ ἐτραπόμην, καὶ εἶπον· ὦ μακάριοι σφὼ τῆς θαυμαστῆς φύσεως, οἳ τοσοῦτον πρᾶγμα οὕτω ταχὺ καὶ ἐν ὀλίγῳ χρόνῳ ἐξείργασθον.
I myself was so affected that I agreed that I had never yet seen any men so wise, and being completely enslaved by their wisdom, I turned to praising and eulogizing them, and said, 'O blessed pair for your wonderful nature, who have accomplished so great a work so quickly and in so short a time!
πολλὰ μὲν οὖν καὶ ἄλλα οἱ λόγοι ὑμῶν καλὰ ἔχουσιν, ὦ Εὐθύδημέ τε καὶ Διονυσόδωρε· ἐν δὲ τοῖς καὶ τοῦτο μεγαλοπρεπέστατον, ὅτι τῶν πολλῶν ἀνθρώπων καὶ τῶν σεμνῶν δὴ καὶ δοκούντων τὶ εἶναι οὐδὲν ὑμῖν μέλει, ἀλλὰ τῶν ὁμοίων ὑμῖν μόνον.
Your arguments have indeed many other beautiful features, O Euthydemus and Dionysodorus; and among them, this is most magnificent, that you care nothing for the many, nor indeed for those who seem to be something, but only for those who are like yourselves.
ἐγὼ γὰρ εὖ οἶδα ὅτι τούτους τοὺς λόγους πάνυ μὲν ἂν ὀλίγοι ἀγαπῷεν ἄνθρωποι ὅμοιοι ὑμῖν, οἱ δʼ ἄλλοι οὕτως ἀγνοοῦσιν αὐτούς, ὥστʼ εὖ οἶδα ὅτι αἰσχυνθεῖεν ἂν μᾶλλον ἐξελέγχοντες τοιούτοις λόγοις τοὺς ἄλλους ἢ αὐτοὶ ἐξελεγχόμενοι.
For I know well that very few men like yourselves would appreciate these arguments, while the rest are so ignorant of them that I know well they would be more ashamed to refute others with such arguments than to be refuted themselves.
καὶ τόδε αὖ ἕτερον δημοτικόν τι καὶ πρᾷον ἐν τοῖς λόγοις· ὁπόταν φῆτε μήτε καλὸν εἶναι μηδὲν μήτε ἀγαθὸν πρᾶγμα μήτε λευκὸν μηδʼ ἄλλο τῶν τοιούτων μηδέν, μηδὲ τὸ παράπαν ἑτέρων ἕτερον, ἀτεχνῶς μὲν τῷ ὄντι συρράπτετε τὰ στόματα τῶν ἀνθρώπων, ὥσπερ καὶ φατέ· ὅτι δʼ οὐ μόνον τὰ τῶν ἄλλων, ἀλλὰ δόξαιτε ἂν καὶ τὰ ὑμέτερα αὐτῶν, τοῦτο πάνυ χαρίεν τέ ἐστιν καὶ τὸ ἐπαχθὲς τῶν λόγων ἀφαιρεῖται.
And here is another popular and gentle thing in your arguments: whenever you say that there is nothing beautiful, nor any good thing, nor white, nor any other such thing, nor altogether that one thing is different from another, you literally sew up the mouths of men, as you also say; and that you would seem to sew up not only the mouths of others, but even your own, this is very charming and takes away the offensiveness of your arguments.
τὸ δὲ δὴ μέγιστον, ὅτι ταῦτα οὕτως ἔχει ὑμῖν καὶ τεχνικῶς ἐξηύρηται, ὥστʼ ἐν πάνυ ὀλίγῳ χρόνῳ ὁντινοῦν ἂν μαθεῖν ἀνθρώπων· ἔγνων ἔγωγε καὶ τῷ Κτησίππῳ τὸν νοῦν προσέχων ὡς ταχὺ ὑμᾶς ἐκ τοῦ παραχρῆμα μιμεῖσθαι οἷός τε ἦν.
And the greatest thing of all is that these things are so conditioned by you and artistically devised, that any human being whatsoever could learn them in a very short time; I myself realized, paying attention to Ctesippus, how quickly he was able to imitate you on the spot.'

Notes

  1. 303aκαλοῦ λόγου — Genitive of exclamation, used with the interjection πυππάξ to express the cause or object of admiration.
  2. 303cτῆς θαυμαστῆς φύσεως — Genitive of cause, dependent on the adjective μακάριοι (with the second-person dual pronoun σφώ), meaning 'blessed on account of your wonderful nature.'
  3. 303cἐν δὲ τοῖς — An idiomatic formula used to strengthen superlatives (here μεγαλοπρεπέστατον), meaning 'among all things' or 'especially.' It functions adverbially, originating from an ellipsis of a relative clause following ἐν τοῖς.
  4. 303eὁντινοῦν ἂν μαθεῖν — An infinitive clause introduced by ὥστε (result clause). The potential particle ἄν accompanies the infinitive μαθεῖν to express possibility or potentiality: 'so that anyone of men could learn.'

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Plato, Euthydemus §303. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg021.humanitext-grc2:303

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