§128ΣΩ. ἔπειτα εἰ ἄρα τῆς μὲν τῶν πολιτικῶν ἀνδρῶν συνουσίας Θεάγης ὅδε καταφρονεῖ, ἄλλους δέ τινας ζητεῖ οἳ παιδεύειν ἐπαγγέλλονται οἷοί τε εἶναι νέους ἀνθρώπους, ἔστιν ἐνταῦθα καὶ Πρόδικος ὁ Κεῖος καὶ Γοργίας ὁ Λεοντῖνος καὶ πῶλος ὁ Ἀκραγαντῖνος καὶ ἄλλοι πολλοί, οἳ οὕτω σοφοί εἰσιν ὥστε εἰς τὰς πόλεις ἰόντες πείθουσι τῶν νέων τοὺς γενναιοτάτους τε καὶ πλουσιωτάτους—οἷς ἔξεστιν τῶν πολιτῶν ᾧ ἂν βούλωνται προῖκα συνεῖναι— τούτους πείθουσιν ἀπολείποντας τὰς ἐκείνων συνουσίας αὐτοῖς συνεῖναι, προσκατατιθέντας ἀργύριον πάνυ πολὺ μισθόν, καὶ χάριν πρὸς τούτοις εἰδέναι.
Socrates: Then if, as it seems, this Theages here despises the association with political men, and seeks some others who profess to be able to educate young men, there are here both Prodicus of Ceos and Gorgias of Leontini and Polus of Acragas and many others, who are so wise that, going to the cities, they persuade the noblest and wealthiest of the youth—who are permitted to associate for free with whichever of the citizens they wish—they persuade these to abandon those associations and associate with them, paying in addition a very large sum of money as fee, and to feel gratitude besides.
τούτων τινὰς εἰκὸς ἦν προαιρεῖσθαι καὶ τὸν ὑόν σου καὶ αὐτὸν σέ, ἐμὲ δʼ οὐκ εἰκός· οὐδὲν γὰρ τούτων ἐπίσταμαι τῶν μακαρίων τε καὶ καλῶν μαθημάτων—ἐπεὶ ἐβουλόμην ἄν—ἀλλὰ καὶ λέγω δήπου ἀεὶ ὅτι ἐγὼ τυγχάνω ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν οὐδὲν ἐπιστάμενος πλήν γε σμικροῦ τινος μαθήματος, τῶν ἐρωτικῶν.
It would have been reasonable for both your son and you yourself to choose one of these, but not reasonable to choose me; for I know nothing of these blessed and beautiful subjects of study—though I would wish to—but indeed I always say that I happen, so to speak, to know nothing except for a certain small subject, that of love.
τοῦτο μέντοι τὸ μάθημα παρʼ ὁντινοῦν ποιοῦμαι δεινὸς εἶναι καὶ τῶν προγεγονότων ἀνθρώπων καὶ τῶν νῦν.
However, in this subject I consider myself to be cleverer than anyone else, both of the past and the present.
ΘΕ. ὁρᾷς, ὦ πάτερ;
Theages: Do you see, father?
ὁ Σωκράτης οὐ πάνυ μοι δοκεῖ ἔτι ἐθέλειν ἐμοὶ συνδιατρίβειν—ἐπεὶ τό γʼ ἐμὸν ἕτοιμον, ἐὰν οὗτος ἐθέλῃ—ἀλλὰ ταῦτα παίζων πρὸς ἡμᾶς λέγει.
Socrates does not seem to me to be at all willing to spend time with me anymore—since, on my part, I am ready, if he is willing—but he says these things playing with us.
ἐπεὶ ἐγὼ οἶδα τῶν ἐμῶν ἡλικιωτῶν καὶ ὀλίγῳ πρεσβυτέρων οἳ πρὶν μὲν τούτῳ συνεῖναι οὐδενὸς ἄξιοι ἦσαν, ἐπειδὴ δὲ συνεγένοντο τούτῳ, ἐν πάνυ ὀλίγῳ χρόνῳ πάντων βελτίους φαίνονται ὧν πρότερον χείρους.
For I know some of my own age and a little older, who before associating with him were worth nothing, but when they associated with him, in a very short time they appeared better than all those than whom they were previously worse.
ΣΩ. οἶσθα οὖν οἷον τοῦτό ἐστιν, ὦ παῖ Δημοδόκου;
Socrates: Do you know then, child of Demodocus, what kind of thing this is?
ΘΕ. ναὶ μὰ Δία ἔγωγε, ὅτι, ἐὰν σὺ βούλῃ, καὶ ἐγὼ οἷός τʼ ἔσομαι τοιοῦτος γενέσθαι οἷοίπερ καὶ ἐκεῖνοι.
Theages: Yes, by Zeus, I do; that, if you are willing, I also will be able to become such as those people.
ΣΩ. οὔκ, ὠγαθέ, ἀλλά σε λέληθεν οἷον τοῦτʼ ἔστιν, ἐγὼ δέ σοι φράσω.
Socrates: No, my good friend, but it has escaped you what kind of thing this is, but I will tell you.
ἔστι γάρ τι θείᾳ μοίρᾳ παρεπόμενον ἐμοὶ ἐκ παιδὸς ἀρξάμενον δαιμόνιον.
For there is something, by divine dispensation, that has followed me starting from childhood, a spiritual thing.
ἔστι δὲ τοῦτο φωνή, ἣ ὅταν γένηται ἀεί μοι σημαίνει, ὃ ἂν μέλλω πράττειν, τούτου ἀποτροπήν, προτρέπει δὲ οὐδέποτε· καὶ ἐάν τίς μοι τῶν φίλων ἀνακοινῶται καὶ γένηται ἡ φωνή, ταὐτὸν τοῦτο, ἀποτρέπει καὶ οὐκ ἐᾷ πράττειν.
And this is a voice, which whenever it occurs, always signals to me a turning away from what I am about to do, but it never impels me; and if any of my friends consults me and the voice occurs, this same thing happens, it turns them away and does not permit them to act.
καὶ τούτων ὑμῖν μάρτυρας παρέξομαι.
And of these things I will provide you with witnesses.
Χαρμίδην γὰρ τουτονὶ γιγνώσκετε τὸν καλὸν γενόμενον, τὸν Γλαύκωνος· οὗτός ποτε ἐτύγχανε ἐμοὶ ἀνακοινούμενος μέλλων ἀσκήσειν στάδιον εἰς Νεμέαν, καὶ εὐθὺς αὐτοῦ ἀρχομένου λέγειν ὅτι μέλλοι ἀσκεῖν ἐγένετο ἡ φωνή, καὶ ἐγὼ διεκώλυόν τε αὐτὸν καὶ εἶπον ὅτι
λέγοντός σου μεταξὺ γέγονέ μοι ἡ φωνὴ ἡ τοῦ δαιμονίου· ἀλλὰ μὴ ἄσκει. ἴσως,
ἔφη,
σημαίνει σοι ὅτι οὐ νικήσω· ἐγὼ δὲ κἂν μὴ μέλλω νικᾶν, γυμνασάμενός γε τοῦτον τὸν χρόνον ὠφεληθήσομαι.
For you know this Charmides here, who became beautiful, the son of Glaucon; he once happened to consult me when he was about to train for the stade race at Nemea, and immediately as he began to speak saying that he was about to train, the voice occurred, and I tried to prevent him and said: "While you were speaking, the voice of the daimonion occurred to me; so do not train." "Perhaps," he said, "it signals to you that I will not win; but even if I am not about to win, by exercising during this time I will be benefited."