Humanitext Reader

Plato · Euthyphro §15-16

The Argument in a Circle and Euthyphro's Departure

Passage 12 of 12 · Greek

Summary

Socrates questions what benefit the gods receive from human gifts, demonstrating that the discussion has gone in a circle back to the definition of the holy as what is dear to the gods. Euthyphro abruptly cuts short the dialogue under the pretext of urgent business, leaving Socrates to lament his lost hope of escape from Meletus's indictment.

§15ΣΩ. ἀλλʼ οὐδὲν ἥδιον ἔμοιγε, εἰ μὴ τυγχάνει ἀληθὲς ὄν.
Socrates: But it is not at all more pleasing to me, unless it happens to be true.
φράσον δέ μοι, τίς ἡ ὠφελία τοῖς θεοῖς τυγχάνει οὖσα ἀπὸ τῶν δώρων ὧν παρʼ ἡμῶν λαμβάνουσιν;
Tell me, what benefit happens to be to the gods from the gifts which they receive from us?
ἃ μὲν γὰρ διδόασι παντὶ δῆλον· οὐδὲν γὰρ ἡμῖν ἐστιν ἀγαθὸν ὅτι ἂν μὴ ἐκεῖνοι δῶσιν.
For what they give is clear to everyone; for there is no good thing for us except what they may give.
ἃ δὲ παρʼ ἡμῶν λαμβάνουσιν, τί ὠφελοῦνται;
But what they receive from us, how are they benefited?
ἢ τοσοῦτον αὐτῶν πλεονεκτοῦμεν κατὰ τὴν ἐμπορίαν, ὥστε πάντα τὰ ἀγαθὰ παρʼ αὐτῶν λαμβάνομεν, ἐκεῖνοι δὲ παρʼ ἡμῶν οὐδέν;
Or do we get so much the better of them in this commerce that we receive all good things from them, but they receive nothing from us?
ΕΥΘ. ἀλλʼ οἴει, ὦ Σώκρατες, τοὺς θεοὺς ὠφελεῖσθαι ἀπὸ τούτων ἃ παρʼ ἡμῶν λαμβάνουσιν;
Euthyphro: But do you think, Socrates, that the gods are benefited by these things which they receive from us?
γ ΣΩ. ἀλλὰ τί δήποτʼ ἂν εἴη ταῦτα, ὦ Εὐθύφρων, τὰ παρʼ ἡμῶν δῶρα τοῖς θεοῖς;
Socrates: But what in the world would these things be, Euthyphro, these gifts from us to the gods?
ΕΥΘ. τί δʼ οἴει ἄλλο ἢ τιμή τε καὶ γέρα καί, ὅπερ ἐγὼ ἄρτι ἔλεγον, χάρις;
Euthyphro: What else do you think than honor and prerogatives and, as I was just saying, gratitude?
ΣΩ. κεχαρισμένον ἄρα ἐστίν, ὦ Εὐθύφρων, τὸ ὅσιον, ἀλλʼ οὐχὶ ὠφέλιμον οὐδὲ φίλον τοῖς θεοῖς;
Socrates: Is the holy, then, Euthyphro, something gratifying, but not beneficial nor dear to the gods?
γ ΕΥΘ. οἶμαι ἔγωγε πάντων γε μάλιστα φίλον.
Euthyphro: I think indeed that it is of all things most dear.
ΣΩ. τοῦτο ἄρʼ ἐστὶν αὖ, ὡς ἔοικε, τὸ ὅσιον, τὸ τοῖς θεοῖς φίλον.
Socrates: This then is again, as it seems, the holy: that which is dear to the gods.
ΕΥΘ. μάλιστά γε.
Euthyphro: Most certainly.
ΣΩ. θαυμάσῃ οὖν ταῦτα λέγων ἐάν σοι οἱ λόγοι φαίνωνται μὴ μένοντες ἀλλὰ βαδίζοντες, καὶ ἐμὲ αἰτιάσῃ τὸν Δαίδαλον βαδίζοντας αὐτοὺς ποιεῖν, αὐτὸς ὢν πολύ γε τεχνικώτερος τοῦ Δαιδάλου καὶ κύκλῳ περιιόντα ποιῶν;
Socrates: Will you wonder then, while saying these things, if your arguments appear to you not remaining but walking away, and will you blame me, as if I were Daedalus, for making them walk, though you yourself are much more artful than Daedalus and make them go in circles?
ἢ οὐκ αἰσθάνῃ ὅτι ὁ λόγος ἡμῖν περιελθὼν πάλιν εἰς ταὐτὸν ἥκει;
Or do you not perceive that our argument, having gone around, has come back again to the same point?
μέμνησαι γάρ που ὅτι ἐν τῷ πρόσθεν τό τε ὅσιον καὶ τὸ θεοφιλὲς οὐ ταὐτὸν ἡμῖν ἐφάνη ἀλλʼ ἕτερα ἀλλήλων· ἢ οὐ μέμνησαι;
For surely you remember that in the former part the holy and the god-loved did not appear to us to be the same, but different from each other; or do you not remember?
ΕΥΘ. ἔγωγε.
Euthyphro: I do.
ΣΩ. νῦν οὖν οὐκ ἐννοεῖς ὅτι τὸ τοῖς θεοῖς φίλον φῂς ὅσιον εἶναι;
Socrates: Now then, do you not reflect that you say that which is dear to the gods is the holy?
τοῦτο δʼ ἄλλο τι ἢ θεοφιλὲς γίγνεται;
And does this become anything else than the god-loved?
ἢ οὔ;
Or not?
ΕΥΘ. πάνυ γε.
Euthyphro: By all means.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν ἢ ἄρτι οὐ καλῶς ὡμολογοῦμεν, ἢ εἰ τότε καλῶς, νῦν οὐκ ὀρθῶς τιθέμεθα.
Socrates: Therefore either we did not agree well just now, or, if we agreed well then, we are not setting it down rightly now.
ΕΥΘ. ἔοικεν.
Euthyphro: It seems so.
ΣΩ. ἐξ ἀρχῆς ἄρα ἡμῖν πάλιν σκεπτέον τί ἐστι τὸ ὅσιον, ὡς ἐγὼ πρὶν ἂν μάθω ἑκὼν εἶναι οὐκ ἀποδειλιάσω.
Socrates: From the beginning, then, we must examine again what the holy is, as I, before I learn, will not willingly turn coward.
ἀλλὰ μή με ἀτιμάσῃς ἀλλὰ παντὶ τρόπῳ προσσχὼν τὸν νοῦν ὅτι μάλιστα νῦν εἰπὲ τὴν ἀλήθειαν· οἶσθα γὰρ εἴπερ τις ἄλλος ἀνθρώπων, καὶ οὐκ ἀφετέος εἶ ὥσπερ ὁ Πρωτεὺς πρὶν ἂν εἴπῃς.
But do not look down on me, but in every way directing your mind as much as possible, now tell the truth; for you know it if any other human being does, and you must not be let go, like Proteus, until you tell.
εἰ γὰρ μὴ ᾔδησθα σαφῶς τό τε ὅσιον καὶ τὸ ἀνόσιον, οὐκ ἔστιν ὅπως ἄν ποτε ἐπεχείρησας ὑπὲρ ἀνδρὸς θητὸς ἄνδρα πρεσβύτην πατέρα διωκάθειν φόνου, ἀλλὰ καὶ τοὺς θεοὺς ἂν ἔδεισας παρακινδυνεύειν μὴ οὐκ ὀρθῶς αὐτὸ ποιήσοις, καὶ τοὺς ἀνθρώπους ᾐσχύνθης·
For if you had not known clearly both the holy and the unholy, there is no way you would have ever attempted for the sake of a day-laborer to prosecute an elderly man, your father, for murder, but you would have both feared the gods, running the risk that you might not do it rightly, and been ashamed before men.
νῦν δὲ εὖ οἶδα ὅτι σαφῶς οἴει εἰδέναι τό τε ὅσιον καὶ μή.
But now I know well that you think you know clearly both the holy and the not.
εἰπὲ οὖν, ὦ βέλτιστε Εὐθύφρων, καὶ μὴ ἀποκρύψῃ ὅτι αὐτὸ ἡγῇ.
Tell then, best Euthyphro, and do not hide what you believe it to be.
ΕΥΘ. εἰς αὖθις τοίνυν, ὦ Σώκρατες· νῦν γὰρ σπεύδω ποι, καί μοι ὥρα ἀπιέναι.
Euthyphro: Another time, then, Socrates; for now I am in a hurry to go somewhere, and it is time for me to depart.
§16ΣΩ. οἷα ποιεῖς, ὦ ἑταῖρε.
Socrates: What are you doing, my companion!
ἀπʼ ἐλπίδος με καταβαλὼν μεγάλης ἀπέρχῃ ἣν εἶχον, ὡς παρὰ σοῦ μαθὼν τά τε ὅσια καὶ μὴ καὶ τῆς πρὸς Μέλητον γραφῆς ἀπαλλάξομαι, ἐνδειξάμενος ἐκείνῳ ὅτι σοφὸς ἤδη παρʼ Εὐθύφρονος τὰ θεῖα γέγονα καὶ ὅτι οὐκέτι ὑπʼ ἀγνοίας αὐτοσχεδιάζω οὐδὲ καινοτομῶ περὶ αὐτά, καὶ δὴ καὶ τὸν ἄλλον βίον ὅτι ἄμεινον βιωσοίμην.
You depart, casting me down from a great hope which I had, that I would learn from you what things are holy and what are not, and would be rid of Meletus's indictment, by showing him that I have already become wise from Euthyphro regarding divine things, and that I no longer act on makeshift or innovate concerning them through ignorance, and indeed that I would live the rest of my life better.

Notes

  1. 15aὅτι ἂν μὴ ἐκεῖνοι δῶσιν — A general relative clause modifying the antecedent `οὐδὲν ... ἀγαθὸν`. The combination of `ὅτι ἂν` (neuter accusative singular of `ὅστις` with the particle `ἂν`) and the subjunctive `δῶσιν` introduces a conditional restriction: 'except what they might give.'
  2. 15cἑκὼν εἶναι — An idiomatic absolute infinitive construction used chiefly in negative sentences (here with `οὐκ ἀποδειλιάσω`), meaning 'willingly' or 'so far as my will is concerned.'
  3. 15dμὴ οὐκ ὀρθῶς αὐτὸ ποιήσοις — A clause of fearing introduced by the verb `ἔδεισας`. Due to the past tense of the main verb, the future optative `ποιήσοις` is used instead of the future indicative. The double negative `μὴ οὐ` expresses the fear that something might *not* happen ('lest you should not do it rightly').
  4. 16aὡς παρὰ σοῦ μαθὼν τά τε ὅσια καὶ μὴ καὶ τῆς πρὸς Μέλητον γραφῆς ἀπαλλάξομαι — The structure `ὡς` followed by the future indicative `ἀπαλλάξομαι` (with the accompanying participle `μαθὼν`) appositively elaborates on the content of the preceding 'hope' (`ἐλπίδος ... ἣν εἶχον`). The participle `μαθὼν` functions as a temporal or conditional circumstance ('after having learned') leading to the main action of the clause.

Cite this passage

Plato, Euthyphro §15-16. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg001.humanitext-grc1:15-16

Please note the AI-draft status of the translation and the date accessed.

Translation, notes and summary are AI-generated drafts, revised through reader feedback.