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Terence · Phormio §392-459

Phormio's Rejection of Demipho's Offer and the Conflicting Lawyers

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Summary

Phormio and Demipho continue to argue over legal obligations regarding the girl, and Demipho's offer of money is rejected. Demipho then consults three advocates for advice, but their conflicting opinions leave him more confused than before.

§392Quisquam istoc nomine. §392bItane? non te horum pudet?
"Is there anyone at all by that name?" "Indeed?
§393At si talentum rem reliquisset decem— §394Di tibi malefaciant. §394bprimus esses memoriter §395Progeniem vestram usque ab avo atque atavo proferens. §396Ita ut dicis: ego tum si advenissem, qui mihi §397Cognata ea esset dicererm: itidem tu face. §398Cedo qui est cognata? §398bEu, noster, recte.
Are you not ashamed of this?" "But if he had left a fortune of ten talents—" "May the gods bring ruin upon you!" "you would be the first to readily" "rehearsing your lineage, tracing it all the way from your grandfather and great-great-grandfather." "Just as you say: if I had come then, how she" "was related to me, I should have explained; do you now do the same." "Tell me, how is she related?" "(Aside) Well done, our master, right.
Heus tu, cave. §399Dilucide expedivi quibus me oportuit §400Iudicibus: tum, si id falsum fuerat, filius §401Cur non refellit? §401bFilium narras mihi, §402Cuius de stultitia dici ut dignum est non potest? §403At tu qui sapiens es magistratus adi; §404Iudicium de eadem causa iterum ut reddant tibi; §405Quandoquidem solus regnas, et soli licet §406Hic de eadem causa bis iudicium adipiscier. §407Etsi mihi facta iniuria est, verumtamen §408Potius quam lites secter, aut quam te audiam, §409Itidem ut cognata si sit, id quod lex iubet §410Dotem dare, abduce hanc, minas quinque accipe.
Hey you, watch out!" "I have explained it clearly to those to whom I was required to," "the judges: then, if it had been false, why did your son" "not refute it?" "Do you speak of my son to me," "whose foolishness cannot be spoken of as it deserves?" "But you, who are wise, go to the magistrates;" "let them grant you a trial on the same cause again;" "since you alone reign, and to you alone is it allowed" "to obtain a trial twice on the same cause here." "Although an injury has been done to me, nevertheless," "rather than pursue lawsuits, or rather than listen to you," "just as if she were a relative, that which the law commands," "namely to give a dowry, take her away, and accept five minae." "Ha, ha, he!
§411Ha, ha, he! homo suavis. §411bQuid est? num iniquum postulo?
A sweet gentleman indeed." "What is it?
§412An ne hoc quidelm adipiscar ego, quod ius publicum est? §413Itane tandem quæso, item ut meretricem ubi abusus sis, §414Mercedem dare lex iubet ei atque amittere? An,
Do I demand something unfair?" "Or shall I not even obtain this, which is common right?" "Is it so indeed, I ask you, just as when you have abused a courtesan," "the law commands you to give her a reward and dismiss her?
§415Ut ne quid turpe civis in se admitteret §416Propter egestatem, proximo iussa est dari, §417Ut cum uno aetatem degeret? quod tu vetas.
Or," "so that a citizen might not commit any disgraceful act upon herself" "due to poverty, was she not ordered to be given to her nearest relative," "to pass her life with him alone?
§418Ita proximo quidem! At nos unde? aut quamobrem—
Which you forbid." "Yes, to the nearest relative indeed! But from where are we related to her?
§418bOhe, §419Actum, aiunt, ne agas.
Or why—" "Oh," "what is done, they say, do not undo." "Shall I not undo it?
§419bNon agam? immo haud desinam, §420Donec perfecero hoc. §420bIneptis. §420cSine modo. §421Postremo tecum nihil rei nobis, Demipho, est. §422Tuus est damnatus gnatus, non tu; nam tua §423Præterierat iam ad ducendum aetas. §423bOmnia haec §424Illum putato quae ego nunc dico dicere; §425Aut quidem cum uxore hac ipsum prohibebo domo. §426Iratus est. §426bTute idem melius feceris. §427Itane es paratus facere me adversum omnia, §428Infelix? §428bMetuit hic nos, tametsi sedulo §429Dissimulat. §429bBene habent tibi principia. §429cQuin quod est §430Ferendum fers? tuis dignum factis feceris,
Nay, I will not stop," "until I have accomplished this." "You are playing the fool." "Just let me be." "Lastly, we have no business with you, Demipho." "It is your son who was condemned, not you; for your" "age for marrying was already past." "All these things" "suppose that he is saying which I now say;" "or indeed, with this wife, I shall shut him out of my house." "(Aside) He is angry." "You would do better to do that very thing yourself." "Are you so prepared to do everything against me," "you wretch?" "(Aside) He is afraid of us, although carefully..." "(Aside) Your beginning is going well." "Why don't you," "bear what must be borne?
§431Ut amici inter nos simus. §431bEgon tuam expetam §432Amicitiam? aut te visum aut auditum velim?
You will have done what is worthy of your deeds," "so that we may be friends between us." "Should I seek your" "friendship?
§433Si concordabis cum illa, habebis quae tuam §434Senectutem oblectet; respice aetatem tuam. §435Te oblectet; tibi habe. §435bMinue vero iram. §435cHoc age: §436Satis iam verborum est: nisi tu properas mulierem §437Abducere, ego illam eiiciam. Dixi, Phormio.
Or wish you to be seen or heard?" "If you will agree with her, you will have someone to" "comfort your old age; reflect upon your age." "Let her comfort you; keep her for yourself." "Do moderate your anger." "Pay attention to this:" "there has been enough talk: unless you make haste" "to take the woman away, I will cast her out.
§438Si tu illam attigeris secus quam dignum est liberam, §439Dicam tibi impingam grandem: dixi, Demipho.
I have spoken, Phormio." "If you touch her otherwise than is fitting for a free woman," "I will bring a heavy lawsuit against you.
§440Si quid opus fuerit, heus, domo me. §440bIntelligo. §441Quanta me cura et sollicitudine afficit §442Gnatus, qui me et se hisce impedivit nuptiis; §443Neque mihi in conspectum prodit, ut saltem sciam §444Quid de hac re dicat, quidve sit sententiae. §445Abi; vise redieritne iam an nondum domum. §446Eo. §446bVidetis quo in loco res haec siet.
I have spoken, Demipho." "If there is any need, hey, find me at home." "I understand." "With how much care and anxiety does" "my son affect me, who has entangled me and himself in this marriage!" "Nor does he appear in my sight, so that I might at least know" "what he says about this matter, or what his opinion is." "Go; see if he has already returned home or not yet." "I am going." "You see in what position this matter stands." "What should I do?
§447Quid ago? dic, Hegio. §447bEgo Cratinum censeo, §448Si tibi videtur. §448bDic, Cratine. §448cMene vis? §449Te. §449bEgo quae in rem tuam sint ea velim facias: mihi §450Sic hoc videtur.
Tell me, Hegio." "I think Cratinus should speak," "if it seems good to you." "Speak, Cratinus." "Do you wish me?" "Yes, you." "I would wish you to do what is to your advantage; to me," "this matter seems thus.
Quod te absente hic filius §451Egit restitui in integrum aequum est et bonum, §452Et id impetrabis: dixi. §452bDic nunc, Hegio. §453Ego sedulo hunc dixisse credo: verum ita est, §454Quot homines, tot sententiae; suus cuique mos. §455Mihi non videtur quod sit factum legibus §456Rescindi posse; et turpe inceptum est. §456bDic, Crito. §457Ego amplius deliberandum censeo: §458Res magna est. §458bNumquid nos vis? §458cFecistis probe: §459Incertior sum multo quam dudum.
What your son did here in your absence," "it is fair and good that it be restored to its original state," "and you will obtain this: I have spoken." "Now speak, Hegio." "I believe he spoke with good intention; but the truth is," "as many men, so many opinions; each has his own way." "To me, it does not seem that what was done according to the laws" "can be annulled; and it is a disgraceful attempt." "Speak, Crito." "I think there should be further deliberation;" "it is a great matter." "Is there anything else you want of us?" "You have done well:" "I am much more uncertain than I was a moment ago."

Notes

  1. §393At si talentum rem reliquisset decem... primus esses — A mixed contrary-to-fact conditional sentence: "if he had left a fortune of ten talents" (protasis: pluperfect subjunctive) ... "you would be the first" (apodosis: imperfect subjunctive), indicating a past unreal condition leading to a present unreal result.
  2. §408Potius quam lites secter, aut quam te audiam — The subjunctive mood (`secter`, `audiam`) is used in the clause introduced by `potius quam` to express a strong rejection of an undesirable alternative ("rather than pursue lawsuits or listen to you").
  3. §419Actum, aiunt, ne agas — A famous Latin proverb: "do not do what has been done" (i.e., do not undo what is settled). `ne agas` is a negative command using the present subjunctive in the second person singular, expressing a general maxim.
  4. §426bTute idem melius feceris — `feceris` is a perfect subjunctive used independently (potential subjunctive) to express a mild assertion or recommendation: "you yourself would do better to do that same thing" (i.e., locking the son out).
  5. §450Quod te absente hic filius egit restitui in integrum aequum est et bonum — `restitui in integrum` is a legal technical term in Roman law meaning "restoration to the original state." `restitui` is a present passive infinitive, with the clause `quod... egit` ("what he did") acting as its subject, dependent on the impersonal expression `aequum est et bonum`.

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Terence, Phormio §392-459. Humanitext Reader, https://reader.humanitext.ai/en/text/urn:cts:latinLit:phi0134.phi004.humanitext-lat2:392-459

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