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§8.1.45-8.1.50

Epigrams on Pythagoras, His Successors, and Namesakes

The passage records epigrams on Pythagoras, lists the last members of his school and various namesakes, quotes a letter to Anaximenes, and transitions to the accounts of distinguished Pythagoreans, beginning with Empedocles.

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καὶ ἄλλο· "τὰς φρένας ἢν ἐθέλῃς τὰς Πυθαγόραο νοῆσαι, ἀσπίδος Εὐφόρβου βλέψον ἐς ὀμφάλιον. φησὶ γὰρ οὗτος, Ἐγὼν ἦν πρόβροτος· ὃς δʼ ὅτε οὐκ ἦν, φάσκων ὥς τις ἔην, οὔτις ἔην ὅτʼ ἔην1." καὶ ἄλλο, ὡς ἐτελεύτα· "αἲ, αἴ, Πυθαγόρης τί τόσον κυάμους ἐσεβάσθη; καὶ θάνε φοιτηταῖς ἄμμιγα τοῖς ἰδίοις. χωρίον ἦν κυάμων· ἵνα μὴ τούτους δὲ πατήσῃ, ἐξ Ἀκραγαντίνων κάτθανʼ ἐνὶ τριόδῳ." Ἤκμαζε δὲ καὶ κατὰ τὴν ἑξηκοστὴν Ὀλυμπιάδα, καὶ αὐτοῦ τὸ σύστημα διέμενε μέχρι γενεῶν ἐννέα ἢ καὶ δέκα·

​Another: "If you wish to understand the mind of Pythagoras, look upon the boss of the shield of Euphorbus. For he says, 'I was a mortal before'; but when he was not, claiming that he was someone, he was no one when he was." And another on his death: "Alas, alas, why did Pythagoras revere beans so much? And so he died together with his own disciples. There was a beanfield; but so that he would not trample them, he was slain at the crossroads by the Agrigentines." He flourished about the sixtieth Olympiad, and his school endured for nine or ten generations.

τελευταῖοι γὰρ ἐγένοντο τῶν Πυθαγορείων, οὓς καὶ Ἀριστόξενος εἶδε, Ξενόφιλός τε ὁ Χαλκιδεὺς ἀπὸ Θρᾴκης καὶ Φάντων ὁ Φλιάσιος καὶ Ἐχεκράτης καὶ Διοκλῆς καὶ Πολύμναστος, Φλιάσιοι καὶ αὐτοί. ἦσαν δʼ ἀκροαταὶ Φιλολάου καὶ Εὐρύτου τῶν Ταραντίνων. Γεγόνασι δὲ Πυθαγόραι τέτταρες περὶ τοὺς αὐτοὺς χρόνους, οὐ πολὺ ἀπʼ ἀλλήλων ἀπέχοντες· εἷς μὲν Κροτωνιάτης, τυραννικὸς ἄνθρωπος· ἕτερος Φλιάσιος, σωμασκητής, [ἀλείπτης, ὥς φασί τινες]· τρίτος Ζακύνθιος· τέταρτος αὐτὸς οὗτος, οὗ φασιν εἶναι τἀπόρρητα τῆς φιλοσοφίας· [αὐτῶν διδάσκαλος·] ἐφʼ οὗ καὶ τὸ Αὐτὸς ἔφα παροιμιακὸν εἰς τὸν βίον ἦλθεν.

​For the last of the Pythagoreans, whom Aristoxenus also saw, were Xenophilus the Chalcidian from Thrace, Phanton of Phlius, and Echecrates, Diocles, and Polymnastus, themselves also from Phlius. They were hearers of Philolaus and Eurytus of Tarentum. There were also four men named Pythagoras about the same time, living not far apart from one another: one was of Croton, a man of tyrannical nature; another was of Phlius, a trainer [an anointer, as some say]; a third was of Zacynthus; the fourth was this very man, to whom they say the esoteric doctrines of philosophy belong, [the teacher of them,] from whom the proverbial 'He himself said it' came into life.

οἱ δὲ καὶ ἄλλον ἀνδριαντοποιὸν Ῥηγῖνον γεγονέναι φασὶ Πυθαγόραν, πρῶτον δοκοῦντα ῥυθμοῦ καὶ συμμετρίας ἐστοχάσθαι· καὶ ἄλλον ἀνδριαντοποιὸν Σάμιον· καὶ ἕτερον ῥήτορα μοχθηρόν· καὶ ἰατρὸν ἄλλον, τὰ περὶ κήλης γεγραφότα καί τινα περὶ Ὁμήρου συντεταγμένον· καὶ ἕτερον Δωρικὰ πεπραγματευμένον, ὡς Διονύσιος ἱστορεῖ. Ἐρατοσθένης δέ φησι, καθὸ καὶ Φαβωρῖνος ἐν τῇ ὀγδόῃ Παντοδαπῆς ἱστορίας παρατίθεται, τοῦτον εἶναι τὸν πρῶτον ἐντέχνως πυκτεύσαντα2 ἐπὶ τῆς ὀγδόης καὶ τετταρακοστῆς Ὀλυμπιάδος, κομήτην καὶ ἁλουργίδα φοροῦντα· ἐκκριθέντα τʼ ἐκ τῶν παίδων καὶ χλευασθέντα αὐτίκα προσβῆναι τοὺς ἄνδρας καὶ νικῆσαι.

​Others say there was also another Pythagoras, a sculptor of Rhegium, who is considered to have been the first to aim at rhythm and symmetry; and another sculptor of Samos; and another, a bad orator; and another, a physician who wrote on hernia and composed certain treatises on Homer; and another who wrote a history of the Dorians, as Dionysius relates. Eratosthenes says—as Favorinus also cites in the eighth book of his Miscellaneous History—that this man (the philosopher) was the first to box scientifically at the forty-eighth Olympiad, wearing his hair long and clad in a purple robe; and that, excluded from the boys' contest and mocked, he immediately entered among the men and won.

δηλοῦν δὲ τοῦτο καὶ τοὐπίγραμμα ὅπερ ἐποίησε Θεαίτητος· "Πυθαγόρην τινά, Πυθαγόρην, ὦ ξεῖνε, κομήτην, ᾀδόμενον πύκτην εἰ κατέχεις Σάμιον, Πυθαγόρης ἐγώ εἰμι· τὰ δʼ ἔργα μου εἴ τινʼ ἔροιο Ἠλείων, φήσεις αὐτὸν ἄπιστα λέγειν." Τοῦτον ὁ Φαβωρῖνός φησιν ὅροις χρήσασθαι διὰ τῆς μαθηματικῆς ὕλης, ἐπὶ πλέον δὲ Σωκράτην καὶ τοὺς ἐκείνῳ πλησιάσαντας, καὶ μετὰ ταῦτʼ Ἀριστοτέλην καὶ τοὺς στωικούς. Ἀλλὰ μὴν καὶ τὸν οὐρανὸν πρῶτον ὀνομάσαι κόσμον καὶ τὴν γῆν στρογγύλην· ὡς δὲ Θεόφραστος, Παρμενίδην· ὡς δὲ Ζήνων, Ἡσίοδον.

​The epigram which Theaetetus composed also demonstrates this: "Stranger, if you remember a certain Pythagoras, long-haired Pythagoras, the famed boxer of Samos, I am that Pythagoras; and if you should ask any of the Eleans about my deeds, you will say that he speaks things beyond belief." Favorinus says that he employed definitions through mathematical material, which Socrates and his associates extended further, and after them Aristotle and the Stoics. Moreover, he was the first to name the heaven 'cosmos' and the earth 'round'; though according to Theophrastus it was Parmenides, and according to Zeno, Hesiod.

τούτῳ φασὶν ἀντιπαρατάσσεσθαι Κύλωνα καθάπερ Ἀντίλοχον Σωκράτει. Ἐπὶ δὲ τοῦ ἀθλητοῦ Πυθαγόρου καὶ τοῦτʼ ἐλέγετο τὸ ἐπίγραμμα· "οὗτος πυκτεύσων ἐς Ὀλύμπια παισὶν ἄνηβος ἤλυθε Πυθαγόρης ὁ Κράτεω Σάμιος." ὁ δὲ φιλόσοφος καὶ ὧδε ἐπέστειλε· Πυθαγόρης Ἀναξιμένει. “Καὶ σύ, ὦ λῷστε, εἰ μηδὲν ἀμείνων ἦς Πυθαγόρεω γενεήν τε καὶ κλέος, μεταναστὰς ἂν οἴχεο ἐκ Μιλήτου· νῦν δὲ κατερύκει σε ἡ πατρόθεν εὔκλεια, καὶ ἐμὲ δὲ ἂν κατείρυκεν Ἀναξιμένει ἐοικότα3. εἰ δὲ ὑμεῖς οἱ ὀνήιστοι τὰς πόλιας ἐκλείψετε, ἀπὸ μὲν αὐτέων ὁ κόσμος αἱρεθήσεται, ἐπικινδυνότερα δʼ αὐτῇσι τὰ ἐκ Μήδων.

​They say that Cylon opposed him just as Antilochus opposed Socrates. Concerning the athlete Pythagoras, this epigram also used to be recited: "This Pythagoras, the son of Crates, a Samian, came to Olympia yet beardless, to box among the boys." And the philosopher wrote as follows: Pythagoras to Anaximenes. "You too, excellent friend, if you were in no way superior to Pythagoras in birth and renown, would have migrated and departed from Miletus; but now ancestral fame detains you, and it would have detained me too had I been like Anaximenes. But if you, the best men, abandon your cities, their good order will be stripped from them, and danger from the Medes will be more threatening to them.

οὔτε δὲ αἰεὶ καλὸν αἰθερολογέειν μελεδωνόν τε εἶναι τῇ πατρίδι κάλλιον. καὶ ἐγὼ δὲ οὐ πάντα περὶ τοὺς ἐμεωυτοῦ μύθους, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἐν πολέμοις οὓς διαφέρουσιν ἐς ἀλλήλους Ἰταλιῶται. Ἐπειδὴ δὲ περὶ Πυθαγόρου διεληλύθαμεν, ῥητέον περὶ τῶν ἐλλογίμων Πυθαγορικῶν· μεθʼ οὓς περὶ τῶν σποράδην κατά τινας φερομένων· ἔπειθʼ οὕτως ἐξάψομεν τὴν διαδοχὴν τῶν ἀξίων λόγου ἕως Ἐπικούρου καθὰ καὶ προειρήκαμεν. περὶ μὲν οὖν Θεανοῦς καὶ Τηλαύγους διειλέγμεθα· λεκτέον δὲ νῦν περὶ Ἐμπεδοκλέους πρῶτον· κατὰ γάρ τινας Πυθαγόρου διήκουσεν.

​Nor is it always noble to discourse on the heavens, and to care for one's fatherland is nobler. And I myself am not entirely occupied with my own speculations, but am also involved in the wars which the Italiotes wage against one another." Now that we have gone through the life of Pythagoras, we must speak of the famous Pythagoreans; after whom, of those who are classified by some as isolated thinkers; then in this way we shall attach the succession of noteworthy men down to Epicurus, just as we said before. Now concerning Theano and Telauges we have already spoken; but we must speak now first of Empedocles, for according to some he was a hearer of Pythagoras.

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  1. 8.1.45ὃς δʼ ὅτε οὐκ ἦν, φάσκων ὥς τις ἔην, οὔτις ἔην ὅτʼ ἔην

    A paradoxical wordplay on the transmigration of souls. The first temporal clause ὅτε οὐκ ἦν ('when he was not') refers to the period between lives or after death, while ὅτʼ ἔην (= ἦν, 'when he was') refers to his actual embodied lifetime. The antithesis between τις ('someone of renown') and οὔτις ('a nobody') conveys the satiric bite: although Pythagoras claimed to have been someone distinguished in a past life, he was an absolute nobody when he actually lived.

  2. 8.1.47τοῦτον εἶναι τὸν πρῶτον ἐντέχνως πυκτεύσαντα

    Accusative and infinitive construction in indirect discourse dependent on φησι. In this context, the subject accusative τοῦτον refers to Pythagoras the philosopher, crediting him with the athletic feat of the boxer of the same name. The participles ἐκκριθέντα and χλευασθέντα agree in case and gender with τοῦτον and share its subject relation to the subsequent infinitives προσβῆναι and νικῆσαι.

  3. 8.1.49εἰ μηδὲν ἀμείνων ἦς ... μεταναστὰς ἂν οἴχεο ... καὶ ἐμὲ δὲ ἂν κατείρυκεν Ἀναξιμένει ἐοικότα

    Past/imperfect contrary-to-fact conditional construction. The apodoses ἂν οἴχεο and ἂν κατείρυκεν use ἄν with past indicative verbs. In καὶ ἐμὲ δὲ ἂν κατείρυκεν Ἀναξιμένει ἐοικότα, the subject of κατείρυκεν is understood from the preceding clause as ἡ πατρόθεν εὔκλεια ('ancestral renown'): 'and it would have detained me too, had I been like Anaximenes (possessing such renown)'.

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