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§6.2.54-6.2.59

Mad Socrates: Witty Retorts on Marriage and Luxury

Various witty anecdotes and retorts of Diogenes are related, illustrating his exchanges with figures like Plato and fellow citizens, his satire of luxury and avarice, and his Cynic attitude toward life.

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Ἐρωτηθεὶς ὑπό τινος, ποῖός τίς σοι Διογένης δοκεῖ; Σωκράτης, εἶπε, μαινόμενος1. ἐρωτηθεὶς ποίῳ καιρῷ δεῖ γαμεῖν, ἔφη, τοὺς μὲν νέους μηδέπω, τοὺς δὲ πρεσβυτέρους μηδεπώποτε. ἐρωτηθεὶς τί θέλοι κονδύλου λαβεῖν, περικεφαλαίαν, ἔφη. μειράκιον ἰδὼν καλλωπιζόμενον ἔφη, εἰ μὲν πρὸς ἄνδρας, ἀτυχεῖς· εἰ δὲ πρὸς γυναῖκας, ἀδικεῖς. ἰδών ποτε μειράκιον ἐρυθριῶν, θάρρει, ἔφη· τοιοῦτόν ἐστι τῆς ἀρετῆς τὸ χρῶμα. δυοῖν ποτε νομικοῖν ἀκούσας τοὺς δύο κατέκρινεν, εἰπὼν τὸν μὲν κεκλοφέναι, τὸν δὲ μὴ ἀπολωλεκέναι. ἐρωτηθεὶς ποῖον οἶνον ἡδέως πίνει, ἔφη, τὸν ἀλλότριον. πρὸς τὸν εἰπόντα, πολλοί σου καταγελῶσιν, ἀλλʼ ἐγώ, ἔφη, οὐ καταγελῶμαι.

​Being asked by someone, "What sort of man does Diogenes seem to you?" he replied, "A Socrates gone mad." Being asked at what time one ought to marry, he said, "For young men, not yet; for older men, never at all." Being asked what he would like to receive for a blow with the fist, he said, "A helmet." Seeing a youth dressing himself up, he said, "If it is for men, you are unfortunate; if for women, you are unjust." Once, seeing a youth blushing, he said, "Courage; such is the complexion of virtue." Once, having heard two litigants, he condemned them both, saying that the one had stolen, and the other had lost nothing. Being asked what wine he drank with pleasure, he said, "Other people's." To the one who said, "Many people laugh at you," he replied, "Yet I am not laughed down."

Πρὸς τὸν εἰπόντα κακὸν εἶναι τὸ ζῆν, οὐ τὸ ζῆν, εἶπεν, ἀλλὰ τὸ κακῶς ζῆν. πρὸς τοὺς συμβουλεύοντας τὸν ἀποδράντα αὐτοῦ δοῦλον ζητεῖν, γελοῖον, ἔφη, εἰ Μάνης μὲν χωρὶς Διογένους ζῇ, Διογένης δὲ χωρὶς Μάνου οὐ δυνήσεται. ἀριστῶν ἐλάας, πλακοῦντος ἐπεισενεχθέντος, ῥίψας φησίν, "ὦ ξένε, τυράννοις ἐκποδὼν μεθίστασο·" καὶ ἄλλοτε, "μάστιξεν δʼ ἐλάαν2." ἐρωτηθεὶς ποταπὸς εἴη κύων; ἔφη πεινῶν μὲν Μελιταῖος, χορτασθεὶς δὲ Μολοττικός, τούτων οὓς ἐπαινοῦντες οἱ πολλοὶ οὐ τολμῶσι διὰ τὸν πόνον συνεξιέναι αὐτοῖς ἐπὶ τὴν θήραν· οὕτως οὐδʼ ἐμοὶ δύνασθε συμβιοῦν διὰ τὸν φόβον τῶν ἀλγηδόνων.

​To the one who said that to live is an evil, he said, "Not to live, but to live evilly." To those who advised him to search for his runaway slave, he said, "It would be ridiculous if Manes can live without Diogenes, but Diogenes will not be able to live without Manes." While breakfasting on olives, when a flat-cake was brought in, he threw it away, saying, "Stranger, make way for tyrants and withdraw!" And on another occasion, "He lashed (the olive) to drive it on." Being asked what kind of dog he was, he said, "When hungry, a Maltese lapdog; but when full, a Molossian hound—one of those which the multitude praise, yet do not dare to go out hunting with them because of the fatigue. In the same way, you cannot live with me because of the fear of hardships."

Ἐρωτηθεὶς εἰ οἱ σοφοὶ πλακοῦντα ἐσθίουσι, πάντα, εἶπεν, ὡς καὶ οἱ λοιποὶ ἄνθρωποι. ἐρωτηθεὶς διὰ τί προσαίταις μὲν ἐπιδιδόασι, φιλοσόφοις δὲ οὔ, ἔφη, ὅτι χωλοὶ μὲν καὶ τυφλοὶ γενέσθαι ἐλπίζουσι, φιλοσοφῆσαι δʼ οὐδέποτε. φιλάργυρον ᾔτει· τοῦ δὲ βραδύνοντος, ἄνθρωπε, εἶπεν, εἰς τροφήν σε αἰτῶ, οὐκ εἰς ταφήν. ὀνειδιζόμενός ποτε ἐπὶ τῷ παραχαράξαι τὸ νόμισμα ἔφη, ἦν ποτε χρόνος ἐκεῖνος ὅτʼ ἤμην ἐγὼ τοιοῦτος ὁποῖος σὺ νῦν· ὁποῖος δʼ ἐγὼ νῦν, σὺ οὐδέποτε. καὶ πρὸς ἄλλον ἐπὶ τῷ αὐτῷ ὀνειδίσαντα, καὶ γὰρ ἐνεούρουν θᾶττον, ἀλλὰ νῦν οὔ.

​Being asked whether the wise eat flat-cake, he said, "Everything, just as other men do." Being asked why people give alms to beggars, but not to philosophers, he said, "Because they expect they may become lame and blind, but that they will never practice philosophy." He was begging from a miser; and when the man hesitated, he said, "Man, I am begging you for sustenance, not for burial." Once, being reproached for debasing the currency, he said, "There was once a time when I was such as you are now; but such as I am now, you will never be." And to another who reproached him on the same account, he said, "Indeed, I also used to wet my bed once, but now I do not."

Εἰς Μύνδον ἐλθὼν καὶ θεασάμενος μεγάλας τὰς πύλας, μικρὰν δὲ τὴν πόλιν, ἄνδρες Μύνδιοι, ἔφη, κλείσατε τὰς πύλας, μὴ ἡ πόλις ὑμῶν ἐξέλθῃ. θεασάμενός ποτε πορφυροκλέπτην πεφωραμένον ἔφη, "ἔλλαβε πορφύρεος θάνατος καὶ Μοῖρα κραταιή." Κρατέρου ἀξιοῦντος πρὸς αὐτὸν ἀπιέναι, ἀλλὰ βούλομαι, ἔφη, ἐν Ἀθήναις ἅλα λείχειν ἢ παρὰ Κρατέρῳ τῆς πολυτελοῦς τραπέζης ἀπολαύειν. Ἀναξιμένει τῷ ῥήτορι παχεῖ ὄντι προσελθών, ἐπίδος καὶ ἡμῖν, ἔφη, τοῖς πτωχοῖς τῆς γαστρός3· καὶ γὰρ αὐτὸς κουφισθήσῃ καὶ ἡμᾶς ὠφελήσεις. διαλεγομένου ποτὲ τοῦ αὐτοῦ τάριχος προτείνας περιέσπασε τοὺς ἀκροατάς· ἀγανακτοῦντος δέ, τὴν Ἀναξιμένους, ἔφη, διάλεξιν ὀβολοῦ τάριχος διαλέλυκεν.

​Having come to Myndus and observed that the gates were large while the city was small, he said, "Men of Myndus, shut your gates, lest your city should go out!" Once, having seen a purple-thief caught in the act, he said, "Purple death and strong fate seized him." When Craterus requested him to come to him, he said, "Nay, I prefer to lick salt at Athens rather than enjoy Craterus' lavish table." Approaching Anaximenes the orator, who was fat, he said, "Give us beggars too some of your belly; for you will be lightened yourself, and you will help us." Once, when this same man was lecturing, Diogenes held out a salt fish and diverted the listeners; and when the orator grew indignant, he said, "A salt fish of an obol has broken up the lecture of Anaximenes."

Ὀνειδιζόμενός ποτε ὅτι ἐν ἀγορᾷ ἔφαγεν, ἐν ἀγορᾷ γάρ, ἔφη, καὶ ἐπείνησα. ἔνιοι δὲ τούτου φασὶν εἶναι κἀκεῖνο, ὅτι Πλάτων θεασάμενος αὐτὸν λάχανα πλύνοντα, προσελθὼν ἡσυχῆ εἴποι αὐτῷ· εἰ Διονύσιον ἐθεράπευες, οὐκ ἂν λάχανα ἔπλυνες· τὸν δʼ ἀποκρίνασθαι ὁμοίως ἡσυχῆ, καὶ σὺ εἰ λάχανα ἔπλυνες, οὐκ ἂν Διονύσιον ἐθεράπευες. πρὸς τὸν εἰπόντα, οἱ πλείους σου καταγελῶσι, κἀκείνων τυχόν, εἶπεν, οἱ ὄνοι· ἀλλʼ οὔτʼ ἐκεῖνοι τῶν ὄνων ἐπιστρέφονται, οὔτʼ ἐγὼ ἐκείνων. θεασάμενός ποτε μειράκιον φιλοσοφοῦν, εὖγε, εἶπεν, ὅτι τοὺς τοῦ σώματος ἐραστὰς ἐπὶ τὸ τῆς ψυχῆς κάλλος μετάγεις.

​Once, being reproached for having eaten in the market-place, he said, "For in the market-place I also grew hungry." Some say that the following also belongs to him: that Plato, seeing him washing vegetables, came up and said to him quietly, "If you paid court to Dionysius, you would not be washing vegetables"; and that Diogenes replied likewise quietly, "And if you washed vegetables, you would not be paying court to Dionysius." To the one who said, "Most people laugh at you," he said, "And perhaps the donkeys laugh at them; but neither do they pay regard to the donkeys, nor do I to them." Once, observing a youth studying philosophy, he said, "Well done, in that you are turning the lovers of the body toward the beauty of the soul!"

Θαυμάζοντός τινος τὰ ἐν Σαμοθράκῃ ἀναθήματα, ἔφη, πολλῷ ἂν ἦν πλείω εἰ καὶ οἱ μὴ σωθέντες ἀνετίθεσαν· οἱ δὲ τοῦτο Διαγόρου φασὶ τοῦ Μηλίου. εὐμόρφῳ μειρακίῳ ἀπιόντι εἰς συμπόσιον ἔφη, χείρων ἐπανήξεις· τοῦ δʼ ἐπανελθόντος καὶ τῇ ἑξῆς εἰπόντος, καὶ ἀπῆλθον καὶ χείρων οὐκ ἐγενόμην, ἔφη, Χείρων μὲν οὔ, Εὐρυτίων δέ4. δύσκολον ᾔτει· τοῦ δʼ εἰπόντος, ἐάν με πείσῃς· ἔφη, εἴ σε ἐδυνάμην πεῖσαι, ἔπεισα ἄν σε ἀπάγξασθαι. ἐπανήρχετο ἐκ Λακεδαίμονος εἰς Ἀθήνας· πρὸς οὖν τὸν πυθόμενον, ποῖ καὶ πόθεν; ἐκ τῆς ἀνδρωνίτιδος, εἶπεν, εἰς τὴν γυναικωνῖτιν.

​When someone was admiring the votive offerings in Samothrace, he said, "They would have been far more numerous if those who were not saved had also dedicated offerings"—though some attribute this to Diagoras of Melos. To a handsome youth going off to a banquet, he said, "You will return worse (as Chiron)"; and when the youth returned and said on the next day, "I both went off and did not become worse," Diogenes said, "Not Chiron, but Eurytion." He was begging of a grumpy man; and when the man said, "If you persuade me," Diogenes said, "If I could have persuaded you, I would have persuaded you to hang yourself." He was returning from Lacedaemon to Athens; to the one who inquired, "Whither and whence?" he said, "From the men's quarters to the women's quarters."

Syntax notes4 items
  1. 6.2.54Σωκράτης, εἶπε, μαινόμενος

    The subject of εἶπε is omitted. While this famous description ('a Socrates gone mad') is traditionally attributed to Plato describing Diogenes (e.g. in Aelian), the immediate syntax follows the series of Diogenes' own retorts. Here it is rendered consistently across languages as Diogenes answering about himself.

  2. 6.2.55μάστιξεν δʼ ἐλάαν

    A parodic quotation of Homer (e.g. Iliad 23.363), where μάστιξεν δʼ ἐλάαν means 'he whipped them to drive them on' (with ἐλάαν as the epic infinitive of ἐλαύνω). Diogenes puns on the homophonic accusative singular of ἐλαία ('olive'), taking it as 'he whipped/struck the olive.'

  3. 6.2.57ἐπίδος καὶ ἡμῖν ... τῆς γαστρός

    With the imperative ἐπίδος ('give a share'), ἡμῖν τοῖς πτωχοῖς is the indirect object in the dative ('to us beggars'), while τῆς γαστρός functions as a partitive genitive ('a part of your belly').

  4. 6.2.59χείρων ἐπανήξεις ... Χείρων μὲν οὔ, Εὐρυτίων δέ

    A wordplay between the comparative adjective χείρων ('worse') and the proper name of the centaur Chiron (Χείρων). When the youth claimed he did not return 'worse,' Diogenes retorted that while he might not be a Chiron (the wise, noble centaur), he had become an Eurytion (the centaur notorious for drunken violence).

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