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§6.2.26-6.2.30

Diogenes' Critique of Plato and His Sale into Slavery

Anecdotes describe Diogenes trampling Plato's carpets and mocking his verbosity, followed by sharp satires on the hypocrisy and inconsistencies of scholars, musicians, and astronomers. The passage also recounts his sale as a slave where he proclaimed his ability to govern men, and his healthy upbringing of Xeniades' sons.

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Πατῶν αὐτοῦ ποτε τὰ στρώματα κεκληκότος φίλους παρὰ Διονυσίου, ἔφη, πατῶ τὴν Πλάτωνος κενοσπουδίαν· πρὸς ὃν ὁ Πλάτων, ὅσον, ὦ Διόγενες, τοῦ τύφου διαφαίνεις, δοκῶν μὴ τετυφῶσθαι1. οἱ δέ φασι τὸν Διογένην εἰπεῖν, πατῶ τὸν Πλάτωνος τῦφον· τὸν δὲ φάναι, ἑτέρῳ γε τύφῳ, Διόγενες· Σωτίων δʼ ἐν τῷ τετάρτῳ φησὶ τοῦτο πρὸς αὐτὸν εἰπεῖν τὸν Πλάτωνα τὸν κύνα. Διογένης οἶνόν ποτʼ ᾔτησεν αὐτόν, τότε δὲ καὶ ἰσχάδας. ὁ δὲ κεράμιον ὅλον ἔπεμψεν αὐτῷ· καὶ ὅς, σύ, φησίν, ἐὰν ἐρωτηθῇς δύο καὶ δύο πόσα ἐστίν, Εἴκοσιν ἀποκρινῇ; οὕτως οὔτε πρὸς τὰ αἰτούμενα δίδως οὔτε πρὸς τὰ ἐρωτώμενʼ ἀποκρίνῃ. ἔσκωψε δὴ ὡς ἀπεραντολόγον.

​Once, while trampling on Plato's carpets when Plato had invited friends from Dionysius, he said, "I trample on Plato's vainglory." To which Plato replied, "How much pride, Diogenes, you display, while seeming not to be proud!" Others say that Diogenes said, "I trample on Plato's pride," and that Plato responded, "With another kind of pride, Diogenes!" Sotion, in his fourth book, says that Plato himself said this to the Dog. Diogenes once asked him for wine, and then also for dried figs; Plato sent him an entire jar. Whereupon Diogenes said, "If you are asked how many two and two are, will you answer twenty? In this way you neither give in proportion to what is asked, nor answer in accordance with the question." Thus he mocked him as long-winded.

Ἐρωτηθεὶς ποῦ τῆς Ἑλλάδος ἴδοι ἀγαθοὺς ἄνδρας, ἄνδρας μέν, εἶπεν, οὐδαμοῦ, παῖδας δʼ ἐν Λακεδαίμονι. σπουδαιολογουμένῳ ποτὲ ὡς οὐδεὶς προσῄει2, ἐπέβαλε τερετίζειν· ἀθροισθέντων δέ, ὠνείδισεν ὡς ἐπὶ μὲν τοὺς φληνάφους ἀφικνουμένων σπουδαίως, ἐπὶ δὲ τὰ σπουδαῖα βραδυνόντων [ὀλιγώρως]. ἔλεγέ τε περὶ μὲν τοῦ παρορύττειν καὶ λακτίζειν ἀγωνίζεσθαι τοὺς ἀνθρώπους, περὶ δὲ καλοκἀγαθίας μηδένα. τούς τε γραμματικοὺς ἐθαύμαζε τὰ μὲν τοῦ Ὀδυσσέως κακὰ ἀναζητοῦντας, τὰ δʼ ἴδια ἀγνοοῦντας. καὶ μὴν καὶ τοὺς μουσικοὺς τὰς μὲν ἐν τῇ λύρᾳ χορδὰς ἁρμόττεσθαι, ἀνάρμοστα δʼ ἔχειν τῆς ψυχῆς τὰ ἤθη·

​When asked where in Greece he had seen good men, he said, "Men, nowhere; but boys in Lacedaemon." Once, when no one approached while he was discoursing seriously, he began to whistle a tune; and when a crowd gathered, he reproached them for coming eagerly to frivolous things, but lagging behind with disdain when it came to serious matters. He used to say that men compete in digging and kicking, but no one competes for true nobility. He was amazed that grammarians investigate the misfortunes of Odysseus, while remaining ignorant of their own. Furthermore, he marveled that musicians tune the strings on the lyre, while possessing dispositions of the soul that are completely out of tune;

τοὺς μαθηματικοὺς ἀποβλέπειν μὲν πρὸς τὸν ἥλιον καὶ τὴν σελήνην, τὰ δʼ ἐν ποσὶ πράγματα παρορᾶν· τοὺς ῥήτορας λέγειν μὲν ἐσπουδακέναι τὰ δίκαια, πράττειν δὲ μηδαμῶς· ἀλλὰ μὴν καὶ τοὺς φιλαργύρους ψέγειν μὲν τὸ ἀργύριον, ὑπεραγαπᾶν δέ. κατεγίνωσκε δὲ καὶ τῶν ἐπαινούντων μὲν τοὺς δικαίους, ὅτι χρημάτων ἐπάνω εἶεν, ζηλούντων δὲ τοὺς πολυχρημάτους. ἐκίνει δʼ αὐτὸν καὶ τὸ θύειν μὲν τοῖς θεοῖς ὑπὲρ ὑγιείας, ἐν αὐτῇ δὲ τῇ θυσίᾳ κατὰ τῆς ὑγιείας δειπνεῖν. ἄγασθαι δὲ καὶ τῶν δούλων οἳ λαβροφαγοῦντας ὁρῶντες τοὺς δεσπότας μηδὲν ἁρπάζοιεν τῶν ἐσθιομένων.

​that astronomers gaze up at the sun and moon, but overlook the things at their feet; that orators make a show of speaking about justice, but never practice it; and that lovers of money blame wealth, yet love it to excess. He also condemned those who praise the just because they are above money, yet envy those who have great wealth. It troubled him too that men sacrifice to the gods for health, but in the sacrifice itself dine against their health. He marveled also at the slaves who, seeing their masters eating greedily, snatch nothing of what is being consumed.

ἐπῄνει τοὺς μέλλοντας γαμεῖν καὶ μὴ γαμεῖν3, καὶ τοὺς μέλλοντας καταπλεῖν καὶ μὴ καταπλεῖν, καὶ τοὺς μέλλοντας πολιτεύεσθαι καὶ μὴ πολιτεύεσθαι, καὶ τοὺς παιδοτροφεῖν καὶ μὴ παιδοτροφεῖν, καὶ τοὺς παρασκευαζομένους συμβιοῦν τοῖς δυνάσταις καὶ μὴ προσιόντας. ἔλεγε δὲ καὶ δεῖν τὰς χεῖρας ἐπὶ τοὺς φίλους ἐκτείνειν μὴ συγκεκαμμένοις τοῖς δακτύλοις. φησὶ δὲ Μένιππος ἐν τῇ Διογένους Πράσει ὡς ἁλοὺς καὶ πωλούμενος ἠρωτήθη τί οἶδε ποιεῖν. ἀπεκρίνατο, ἀνδρῶν ἄρχειν· καὶ πρὸς τὸν κήρυκα, κήρυσσε, ἔφη, εἴ τις ἐθέλει δεσπότην αὑτῷ πρίασθαι. κωλυθεὶς καθίζεσθαι, οὐδέν, ἔφη, διαφέρει· καὶ γὰρ τοὺς ἰχθῦς ὅπως ἂν κέοιντο πιπράσκεσθαι.

​He used to praise those who were about to marry and did not marry, those about to set sail and did not sail, those about to enter public life and did not enter, those about to rear children and did not rear them, and those preparing to live with dynasts and yet did not approach them. He also said that one ought to extend one's hands to friends without having the fingers closed. Menippus in The Sale of Diogenes says that when he was captured and being sold, he was asked what he knew how to do. He replied, "To govern men." And to the herald he said, "Proclaim whether anyone wishes to purchase a master for himself." When forbidden to sit down, he said, "It makes no difference; for fish too are sold no matter how they lie."

θαυμάζειν τʼ ἔφη εἰ χύτραν μὲν καὶ λοπάδα ὠνούμενοι κομποῦμεν· ἄνθρωπον δὲ μόνῃ τῇ ὄψει ἀρκούμεθα. ἔλεγε τῷ Ξενιάδῃ τῷ πριαμένῳ αὐτόν, δεῖν πείθεσθαι αὐτῷ, εἰ καὶ δοῦλος εἴη· καὶ γὰρ εἰ ἰατρὸς ἢ κυβερνήτης ἦν δοῦλος, πεισθῆναι ἂν αὐτῷ4. Εὔβουλος δέ φησιν ἐν τῷ ἐπιγραφομένῳ Διογένους Πρᾶσις οὕτως ἄγειν τοὺς παῖδας τοῦ Ξενιάδου, μετὰ τὰ λοιπὰ μαθήματα ἱππεύειν, τοξεύειν, σφενδονᾶν, ἀκοντίζειν· ἔπειτʼ ἐν τῇ παλαίστρᾳ οὐκ ἐπέτρεπε τῷ παιδοτρίβῃ ἀθλητικῶς ἄγειν, ἀλλʼ αὐτὸ μόνον ἐρυθήματος χάριν καὶ εὐεξίας.

​And he said he wondered that when buying a pot or a dish we ring it to test it, but with a man we are content with the sight alone. He told Xeniades, who had bought him, that he must obey him, even if he were a slave; for if a physician or a helmsman were a slave, one would obey him. And Eubulus says in the work entitled The Sale of Diogenes that he trained the sons of Xeniades in this way: after their other studies, he taught them to ride, shoot with the bow, sling, and throw the javelin; and then in the palaestra he did not permit the trainer to treat them like athletes, but solely for the sake of a healthy glow and good physical condition.

Syntax notes4 items
  1. 6.2.26ὅσον, ὦ Διόγενες, τοῦ τύφου διαφαίνεις, δοκῶν μὴ τετυφῶσθαι

    The exclamatory relative pronoun ὅσον takes the partitive genitive τοῦ τύφου ('how much of pride'). The participle δοκῶν is concessive ('while seeming/pretending...'), governing the perfect passive infinitive τετυφῶσθαι. The negative μή is standard with a conditional or subjective circumstantial participle.

  2. 6.2.27σπουδαιολογουμένῳ ποτὲ ὡς οὐδεὶς προσῄει

    The dative participle σπουδαιολογουμένῳ functions either as a dative of reference/interest with the verb προσῄει ('when he was discoursing seriously, no one approached him') or as a temporal/circumstantial dative referring to Diogenes.

  3. 6.2.29τοὺς μέλλοντας γαμεῖν καὶ μὴ γαμεῖν

    In the phrase τοὺς μέλλοντας γαμεῖν καὶ μὴ γαμεῖν, the coordinating conjunction καὶ has an adversative force connecting an intention with its non-fulfillment ('those who were about to marry and yet did not'). The subsequent parallel clauses (voyaging, politics, child-rearing) follow the exact same syntactic pattern.

  4. 6.2.30καὶ γὰρ εἰ ἰατρὸς ἢ κυβερνήτης ἦν δοῦλος, πεισθῆναι ἂν αὐτῷ

    A counterfactual condition in indirect speech. The protasis has the imperfect indicative ἦν (contrary to present reality, 'if a doctor or helmsman were a slave'), while the apodosis contains the aorist infinitive with ἄν (πεισθῆναι ἄν), representing an original aorist indicative with ἄν (ἐπείσθη ἄν).

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