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- Diogenes Laertius. Hicks, R. D., editor. Cambridge, MA.: Harvard University Press; London: William Heinemann Ltd., 1925.
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- Humanitext Reader · reader.humanitext.ai · 2026-09-26
This chunk recounts Carneades' rise to fame through refuting the Stoics, his powerful voice and wit in exchanges with Mentor, his attitude toward death and demise, his lack of written works, and a namesake poet.
Καρνεάδης Ἐπικώμου ἢ Φιλοκώμου, ὡς Ἀλέξανδρος ἐν Διαδοχαῖς, Κυρηναῖος. οὗτος τὰ τῶν Στωικῶν βιβλία ἀναγνοὺς ἐπιμελῶς 〈καὶ μάλιστα〉 τὰ Χρυσίππου, ἐπιεικῶς αὐτοῖς ἀντέλεγε καὶ εὐημέρει τοσοῦτον, ὥστε ἐκεῖνο ἐπιλέγειν· "εἰ μὴ γὰρ ἦν Χρύσιππος, οὐκ ἂν ἦν ἐγώ." φιλόπονος δʼ ἄνθρωπος γέγονεν εἰ καί τις ἄλλος, ἐν μὲν τοῖς φυσικοῖς ἧττον φερόμενος, ἐν δὲ τοῖς ἠθικοῖς μᾶλλον. ὅθεν καὶ ἐκόμα καὶ ἔτρεφεν ὄνυχας ἀσχολίᾳ τῇ περὶ τοὺς λόγους. τοσοῦτον δʼ ἴσχυσεν ἐν φιλοσοφίᾳ, ὥστε καὶ τοὺς ῥήτορας ἀπολύσαντας ἐκ τῶν σχολῶν παρʼ αὐτὸν ἰέναι καὶ αὐτοῦ ἀκούειν.
Carneades, the son of Epicomus or Philocomus, according to Alexander in his Successions, of Cyrene. Having read carefully the books of the Stoics, and especially those of Chrysippus, he argued against them with fairness and enjoyed such success that he used to remark: “If Chrysippus had not been, I should not have been.” He was an industrious man if ever there was one, though less distinguished in physics than in ethics. Hence he used to let his hair grow long and keep his nails untrimmed through his preoccupation with study. And he gained such influence in philosophy that even the rhetoricians, having dismissed their schools, would go to him and listen to him.
Ἦν δὲ καὶ μεγαλοφωνότατος, ὥστε τὸν γυμνασίαρχον προσπέμψαι αὐτῷ μὴ οὕτω βοᾶν· τὸν δὲ εἰπεῖν, καὶ δὸς μέτρον φωνῆς. ἔνθεν εὐστόχως ἑλόντα ἀμείψασθαι1· φάναι γάρ, μέτρον ἔχεις τοὺς ἀκούοντας. δεινῶς τʼ ἦν ἐπιπληκτικὸς καὶ ἐν ταῖς ζητήσεσι δύσμαχος· τά τε δεῖπνα λοιπὸν παρῃτεῖτο διὰ τὰς προειρημένας αἰτίας. οὗτός ποτε Μέντορος τοῦ Βιθυνοῦ μαθητοῦ ὄντος καὶ παρʼ αὐτὸν ἐλθόντος εἰς τὴν διατριβήν, ὡς ἐπείρα αὐτοῦ τὴν παλλακὴν ὁ Μέντωρ, καθά φησι Φαβωρῖνος ἐν Παντοδαπῇ ἱστορίᾳ, μεταξὺ λέγων παρῴδησεν εἰς αὐτόν·
He was also very loud-voiced, so much so that the gymnasiarch sent a messenger bidding him not to shout so loudly; but he said: “Give me, then, a measure for the voice.” Whereupon the gymnasiarch, having seized the point aptly, replied; for he said: “You have your hearers as your measure.” He was terribly formidable in reproof and hard to combat in debates; and for the reasons mentioned above, he thenceforth declined dinner invitations. Once, when Mentor the Bithynian was his disciple and came to his school, since Mentor was making advances to Carneades’ concubine, as Favorinus says in his Miscellaneous History, Carneades in the midst of lecturing made a parody aimed at him:
"πωλεῖταί τις δεῦρο γέρων ἅλιος νημερτής, Μέντορι εἰδόμενος ἠμὲν δέμας ἠδὲ καὶ αὐδήν· τοῦτον σχολῆς τῆσδʼ ἐκκεκηρῦχθαι λέγω·" καὶ ὃς ἀναστὰς ἔφη· "οἱ μὲν ἐκήρυσσον, τοὶ δʼ ἠγείροντο μάλʼ ὦκα." Δειλότερον δέ πως δοκεῖ περὶ τὴν τελευτὴν ἀνεστράφθαι, ὅτε συνεχὲς ἔλεγεν, ἡ συστήσασα φύσις καὶ διαλύσει. μαθών τε Ἀντίπατρον φάρμακον πιόντα ἀποθανεῖν, παρωρμήθη πρὸς τὸ εὐθαρσὲς τῆς ἀπαλλαγῆς καί φησι, δότε οὖν κἀμοί· τῶν δὲ εἰπόντων, τί; οἰνόμελι εἶπεν. τελευτῶντος δʼ αὐτοῦ φασιν ἔκλειψιν γενέσθαι σελήνης, συμπάθειαν, ὡς ἂν εἴποι τις, αἰνιττομένου τοῦ μεθʼ ἥλιον καλλίστου τῶν ἄστρων.
“Hither wanders a truthful old man of the sea, resembling Mentor in both body and voice; I declare that this man is banished from this school.” And Mentor, rising up, said: “They indeed made proclamation, but the others swiftly departed.” Yet he seems to have behaved somewhat cowardly toward his end, continually saying: “The nature that put me together will also dissolve me.” And learning that Antipater had died of drinking poison, he was stirred to boldness at the prospect of release and said: “Give me some too, then.” And when they said: “What?” “Honey-wine,” he replied. And when he died, they say an eclipse of the moon occurred, the most beautiful of stars after the sun hinting, as one might say, at a sympathy.
Φησὶ δὲ Ἀπολλόδωρος ἐν Χρονικοῖς ἀπελθεῖν αὐτὸν ἐξ ἀνθρώπων ἔτει τετάρτῳ τῆς δευτέρας καὶ ἑξηκοστῆς καὶ ἑκατοστῆς Ὀλυμπιάδος, βιώσαντα ἔτη πέντε πρὸς τοῖς ὀγδοήκοντα. φέρονται δʼ αὐτοῦ ἐπιστολαὶ πρὸς Ἀριαράθην τὸν Καππαδοκίας βασιλέα. τὰ δὲ λοιπὰ αὐτοῦ οἱ μαθηταὶ συνέγραψαν· αὐτὸς δὲ κατέλιπεν οὐδέν. ἔστι καὶ εἰς τοῦτον ἡμῶν τῷ λογαοιδικῷ μέτρῳ [καὶ Ἀρχεβουλείῳ]· "τί με Καρνεάδην, τί με, Μοῦσα, θέλεις ἐλέγχειν; ἀμαθὴς γὰρ ὃς οὔτι κάτοιδεν ὅπως δεδοίκει τὸ θανεῖν· ὅτε καὶ φθισικήν ποτʼ ἔχων κακίστην νόσον, οὐκ ἔθελεν λύσιν ἰσχέμεν· ἀλλʼ ἀκούσας ὅτι φάρμακον Ἀντίπατρός τι πιὼν ἀπέσβη,"
Apollodorus says in his Chronology that he departed from men in the fourth year of the hundred and sixty-second Olympiad, having lived eighty-five years. There are extant letters of his to Ariarathes, king of Cappadocia. His disciples wrote down the rest of his teachings; he himself left nothing behind. There is also an epigram of ours on him in the logaoedic metre: “Why dost thou wish to refute me, Carneades, why me, Muse? For ignorant is he who knows not at all how he feared to die; since even when once afflicted with a most wretched wasting sickness, he was unwilling to find release; but hearing that Antipater had died by drinking some drug,”
"δότε τόινυν, ἔφησε, τὶ κἀμὲ πιεῖν. τί μέντοι; τί; δότʼ οἰνόμελι. σφόδρα τʼ εἶχε πρόχειρα ταυτί· φύσις ἡ συνέχουσά με καὶ διαλύσεται δή. ὁ μὲν οὐδὲν ἔλασσον ἔβη κατὰ γῆς, ἐνῆν δὲ τὰ πλέω κακὰ κέρδεʼ ἔχοντα μολεῖν ἐς ᾅδου2." Λέγεται καὶ τὰς ὄψεις νυκτὸς ὑποχυθῆναι καὶ ἀγνοεῖν· κελεῦσαί τε τὸν παῖδα λύχνον ἅψαι· εἰσκομίσαντος δὲ καὶ εἰπόντος, κεκόμικα, οὐκοῦν, εἰπεῖν, σὺ ἀναγίνωσκε. Τούτου πολλοὶ μὲν καὶ ἄλλοι γεγόνασι μαθηταί, ἐλλογιμώτατος δὲ Κλειτόμαχος· περὶ οὗ καὶ λεκτέον. Γέγονε μέντοι καὶ ἄλλος Καρνεάδης, ἐλεγείας ποιητὴς ψυχρός.
“‘Give me then,’ he said, ‘something to drink too.’ ‘What indeed?’ ‘What? Give me honey-wine.’ And he kept this remark very ready at hand: ‘Nature which holds me together will truly also dissolve me.’ He went down beneath the earth no less, though it was possible for him to enter Hades holding more evils as his profit.” It is also related that his eyes suffered a cataract during the night and that he was unaware of it; and he ordered his slave-boy to light a lamp. When the boy brought it in and said: “I have brought it,” “Then do you,” he replied, “read aloud.” There were many other disciples of his, but the most famous was Clitomachus, of whom we must speak. There was, however, another Carneades, an indifferent elegiac poet.
- 4.9.63ἔνθεν εὐστόχως ἑλόντα ἀμείψασθαι
Referring to the gymnasiarch's retort to Carneades' request for a 'measure of voice.' The participle ἑλόντα agrees in the accusative with the implicit subject of the infinitive ἀμείψασθαι (the gymnasiarch), meaning that from Carneades' prompt (ἔνθεν) he aptly seized the point (εὐστόχως ἑλόντα) and replied.
- 4.9.66ἐνῆν δὲ τὰ πλέω κακὰ κέρδεʼ ἔχοντα μολεῖν ἐς ᾅδου
The impersonal imperfect ἐνῆν governs the infinitive μολεῖν ('it was possible to go'). The participle phrase τὰ πλέω κακὰ κέρδεʼ ἔχοντα stands in the accusative referring to Carneades: 'holding greater evils as gains,' satirically implying that clinging to life through painful disease merely amounted to accumulating more miseries under the guise of 'profit.'
