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- Diogenes Laertius. Hicks, R. D., editor. Cambridge, MA.: Harvard University Press; London: William Heinemann Ltd., 1925.
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The passage relates Plato's establishment in the Academy, his military service, and philosophical synthesis, then examines through Alcimus the claim that Plato drew extensively on Epicharmus.
ἀλλὰ καθʼ Ὅμηρον φάναι1 〈περὶ〉 πάντων ἀνθρώπων Αἰγυπτίους ἰατροὺς εἶναι. διέγνω δὴ ὁ Πλάτων καὶ τοῖς Μάγοις συμμῖξαι· διὰ δὲ τοὺς τῆς Ἀσίας πολέμους ἀπέστη. ἐπανελθὼν δὲ εἰς Ἀθήνας διέτριβεν ἐν Ἀκαδημείᾳ. τὸ δʼ ἐστὶ γυμνάσιον προάστειον ἀλσῶδες ἀπό τινος ἥρωος ὀνομασθὲν Ἑκαδήμου, καθὰ καὶ Εὔπολις ἐν Ἀστρατεύτοις φησίν· "ἐν εὐσκίοις δρόμοισιν Ἑκαδήμου θεοῦ." ἀλλὰ καὶ ὁ Τίμων εἰς τὸν Πλάτωνα λέγων φησί· "τῶν πάντων δʼ ἡγεῖτο πλατίστακος, ἀλλʼ ἀγορητὴς ἡδυεπής, τέττιξιν ἰσογράφος, οἵ θʼ Ἑκαδήμου δένδρῳ ἐφεζόμενοι ὄπα λειριόεσσαν ἱᾶσιν."
and that, in the words of Homer, the Egyptians are physicians above all men. Plato indeed resolved to consort also with the Magi; but on account of the wars in Asia he abandoned the plan. Returning to Athens, he spent his time in the Academy. This is a suburban gymnasium with a wooded grove, named after a certain hero Hecademus, as Eupolis also says in his Exempt from Service: "In the well-shaded walks of the god Hecademus." Moreover, Timon also says, speaking with reference to Plato: "And among them all there was led a flat-faced platistakos, but a sweet-voiced speaker, equal in style to the cicadas, which, perching upon the tree of Hecademus, send forth a lily-soft voice."
πρότερον γὰρ διὰ τοῦ ε Ἑκαδήμεια ἐκαλεῖτο. ὁ δʼ οὖν φιλόσοφος καὶ Ἰσοκράτει φίλος ἦν. καὶ αὐτῶν Πραξιφάνης ἀνέγραψε διατριβήν τινα περὶ ποιητῶν γενομένην ἐν ἀγρῷ παρὰ Πλάτωνι ἐπιξενωθέντος τοῦ Ἰσοκράτους. καὶ αὐτόν φησιν Ἀριστόξενος τρὶς ἐστρατεῦσθαι, ἅπαξ μὲν εἰς Τάναγραν, δεύτερον δὲ εἰς Κόρινθον, τρίτον ἐπὶ Δηλίῳ· ἔνθα καὶ ἀριστεῦσαι. μίξιν τε ἐποιήσατο τῶν τε Ἡρακλειτείων λόγων καὶ Πυθαγορικῶν καὶ Σωκρατικῶν· τὰ μὲν γὰρ αἰσθητὰ καθʼ Ἡράκλειτον, τὰ δὲ νοητὰ κατὰ Πυθαγόραν, τὰ δὲ πολιτικὰ κατὰ Σωκράτην ἐφιλοσόφει.
For previously it was called Hecademeia with an epsilon. At any rate, the philosopher was also a friend to Isocrates. And Praxiphanes recorded a certain conversation of theirs concerning poets, which took place in the country at Plato's house when Isocrates was entertained as his guest. Aristoxenus also says that he served on three military campaigns: once to Tanagra, a second time to Corinth, and a third at Delium; where he also won the prize for valor. Moreover, he made a combination of the Heraclitean, Pythagorean, and Socratic doctrines; for he philosophized on sensible things according to Heraclitus, on intelligible things according to Pythagoras, and on political matters according to Socrates.
Λέγουσι δέ τινες, ὧν ἐστι καὶ Σάτυρος, ὅτι Δίωνι ἐπέστειλεν εἰς Σικελίαν ὠνήσασθαι τρία βιβλία Πυθαγορικὰ παρὰ Φιλολάου μνῶν ἑκατόν. καὶ γὰρ ἐν εὐπορίᾳ, φασίν, ἦν παρὰ Διονυσίου λαβὼν ὑπὲρ τὰ ὀγδοήκοντα τάλαντα, ὡς καὶ Ὀνήτωρ φησὶν ἐν τῷ ἐπιγραφομένῳ εἰ χρηματιεῖται ὁ σοφός. πολλὰ δὲ καὶ παρʼ Ἐπιχάρμου τοῦ κωμῳδιοποιοῦ προσωφέληται τὰ πλεῖστα μεταγράψας, καθά φησιν Ἄλκιμος ἐν τοῖς πρὸς Ἀμύνταν, ἅ ἐστι τέτταρα. ἔνθα καὶ ἐν τῷ πρώτῳ φησὶ ταῦτα· “Φαίνεται δὲ καὶ Πλάτων πολλὰ τῶν Ἐπιχάρμου λέγων. σκεπτέον δέ· ὁ Πλάτων φησὶν αἰσθητὸν μὲν εἶναι τὸ μηδέποτε ἐν τῷ ποιῷ μηδὲ ποσῷ διαμένον ἀλλʼ ἀεὶ ῥέον καὶ μεταβάλλον,
Some, among whom is Satyrus, say that he sent instructions to Dion in Sicily to purchase three Pythagorean books from Philolaus for one hundred minae. For they say he was in affluent circumstances, having received from Dionysius more than eighty talents, as Onetor also says in the work entitled Whether the Wise Man Will Make Money. Furthermore, he was greatly aided by the comic poet Epicharmus, having transcribed the greatest part of his works, as Alcimus says in his letters To Amyntas, which are four in number. There, in the first book, he says as follows: "Plato also appears saying many things from Epicharmus. Now one must consider: Plato says that the sensible is that which never abides in quality nor in quantity, but is always in flux and changing,
ὡς ἐξ ὧν ἄν τις ἀνέλῃ τὸν ἀριθμόν, τούτων οὔτε ἴσων οὔτε τινῶν οὔτε ποσῶν οὔτε ποιῶν ὄντων2. ταῦτα δʼ ἐστὶν ὧν ἀεὶ γένεσις, οὐσία δὲ μηδέποτε πέφυκε. νοητὸν δὲ ἐξ οὗ μηθὲν ἀπογίνεται μηδὲ προσγίνεται. τοῦτο δʼ ἐστὶν ἡ τῶν ἀιδίων φύσις, ἣν ὁμοίαν τε καὶ τὴν αὐτὴν ἀεὶ συμβέβηκεν εἶναι. καὶ μὴν ὅ γε Ἐπίχαρμος περὶ τῶν αἰσθητῶν καὶ νοητῶν ἐναργῶς εἴρηκεν· " — ἀλλʼ ἀεί τοι θεοὶ παρῆσαν χὐπέλιπον οὐ πώποκα, τάδε δʼ ἀεὶ πάρεσθʼ ὁμοῖα διά τε τῶν αὐτῶν ἀεί. — ἀλλὰ λέγεται μὰν χάος πρᾶτον γενέσθαι τῶν θεῶν. — πῶς δέ κα; μὴ ἔχον γʼ ἀπὸ τίνος μηδʼ ἐς ὅ τι πρᾶτον μόλοι. — οὐκ ἄρʼ ἔμολε πρᾶτον οὐθέν; — οὐδὲ μὰ Δία δεύτερον,"
inasmuch as if one should remove number from these things, they are neither equal nor specific, nor having quantity, nor having quality. And these are the things of which there is always becoming, but whose nature never possesses being. On the other hand, the intelligible is that from which nothing is lost nor added. And this is the nature of eternal things, which happens always to be similar and the same. And truly Epicharmus has spoken clearly concerning sensible and intelligible things: ' —Nay, the gods were always present and never failed, and these things are always present alike and through the same things always. —Yet it is said that Chaos was born first of the gods. —How could that be? Seeing it had neither that from which nor that into which it might first come. —Did nothing then come first? —By Zeus, not even second,
" τῶνδέ γε ὧν ἁμὲς νῦν ὧδε λέγομες ἀλλʼ ἀεὶ τάδʼ ἦν... αἰ πὸτ ἀριθμόν τις περισσόν, αἰ δὲ λῇς, πὸτ ἄρτιον, ποτθέμειν λῇ ψᾶφον ἢ καὶ τᾶν ὑπαρχουσᾶν λαβεῖν, ἦ δοκεῖ κά τοί γʼ ἔθʼ ωὑτὸς εἶμεν;—οὐκ ἐμίν γα κά. — οὐδὲ μὰν οὐδʼ αἰ ποτὶ μέτρον παχυαῖον ποτθέμειν λῇ τις ἕτερον μᾶκος ἢ τοῦ πρόσθʼ ἐόντος ἀποταμεῖν, ἔτι χʼ ὑπάρχοι κῆνο τὸ μέτρον; — οὐ γάρ. — ὧδε νῦν ὅρη καὶ τὸς ἀνθρώπως· ὁ μὲν γὰρ αὔξεθʼ, ὁ δέ γα μὰν φθίνει, ἐν μεταλλαγᾷ δὲ πάντες ἐντὶ πάντα τὸν χρόνον. ὃ δὲ μεταλλάσσει κατὰ φύσιν κοὔποκʼ ἐν ταὐτῷ μένει, ἕτερον εἴη κα τόδʼ 〈ἀ〉εὶ τῶ παρεξεστακότος3. καὶ τὺ δὴ κἀγὼ χθὲς ἄλλοι καί νυν ἄλλοι τελέθομες καὖθις ἄλλοι κοὔποχʼ ωὑτοὶ κατά 〈γα τοῦτον〉 τὸν λόγον."
of these things at least whereof we now speak thus, but these things always were... If to an odd number, or if you will, to an even, someone should wish to add a pebble, or to take one from those that are present, does it seem to you that it would still be the same? —Not to me at least. —Nor again, if to a cubit's measure someone should wish to add another length, or cut off from that which was before, would that measure still exist? —Surely not. —Look now upon men in this way too: for the one grows, while the other indeed wanes, and all are in alteration through all time. And that which alters according to nature and never abides in the same state, this would always be different from that which has altered. And you indeed and I were other people yesterday, and are other now, and again shall become other, and never the same according to this argument.'"
- 3.1.7φάναι
An infinitive continuing the indirect discourse governed by the preceding verbs of reporting (λέγεται or φασί in §3.1.6). The implied subject refers back to Plato (or contextually along with Euripides), echoing the Homeric line in Odyssey 4.231.
- 3.1.10ὡς ἐξ ὧν ἄν τις ἀνέλῃ τὸν ἀριθμόν, τούτων οὔτε ἴσων οὔτε τινῶν οὔτε ποσῶν οὔτε ποιῶν ὄντων
A genitive absolute construction (τούτων ... ὄντων) introduced by ὡς to express explanation/reasoning. The relative conditional clause ἐξ ὧν ἄν τις ἀνέλῃ τὸν ἀριθμόν precedes and qualifies τούτων, explaining why sensible things lack enduring identity once numerical determination is removed.
- 3.1.11ἕτερον εἴη κα τόδʼ 〈ἀ〉εὶ τῶ παρεξεστακότος
Doric dialect in verse. The modal particle κα corresponds to Attic ἄν, constructing potential optative with εἴη ('would always be'). The form τῶ stands for the genitive article τοῦ, functioning as a genitive of comparison governed by ἕτερον ('different from that which has altered').
