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- Diogenes Laertius. Hicks, R. D., editor. Cambridge, MA.: Harvard University Press; London: William Heinemann Ltd., 1925.
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- Humanitext Reader · reader.humanitext.ai · 2026-09-24
The passage describes Menedemus' views on logic and witty sayings, Antigonus' account of his character, his profound friendship and shared household with Asclepiades, and the frugal arrangements of his dinner parties.
Ἀνῄρει δέ, φασί, καὶ τὰ ἀποφατικὰ τῶν ἀξιωμάτων, καταφατικὰ τιθείς· καὶ τούτων τὰ ἁπλᾶ προσδεχόμενος τὰ οὐχ ἁπλᾶ ἀνῄρει, λέγω δὲ συνημμένα καὶ συμπεπλεγμένα. φησὶ δʼ Ἡρακλείδης ἐν μὲν τοῖς δόγμασι Πλατωνικὸν εἶναι αὐτόν, διαπαίζειν δὲ τὰ διαλεκτικά· ὥστε Ἀλεξίνου ποτὲ ἐρωτήσαντος εἰ πέπαυται τὸν πατέρα τύπτων, ἀλλʼ οὔτʼ ἔτυπτον, φάναι, οὔτε πέπαυμαι. πάλιν τʼ ἐκείνου λέγοντος ὡς ἐχρῆν εἰπόντα ναί ἢ οὔ λῦσαι τὴν ἀμφιβολίαν, γελοῖον, εἶπε, τοῖς ὑμετέροις νόμοις ἀκολουθεῖν, ἐξὸν ἐν πύλαις ἀντιβῆναι1. Βίωνός τε ἐπιμελῶς κατατρέχοντος τῶν μάντεων, νεκροὺς αὐτὸν ἐπισφάττειν ἔλεγε.
They say that he also eliminated negative propositions, positing only affirmative ones; and of these, while accepting simple propositions, he rejected non-simple ones—I mean hypothetical and conjunctive propositions. Heraclides says that in his doctrines he was a Platonist, though he made sport of dialectic; so that, when Alexinus once asked him whether he had stopped beating his father, "Why, I was neither beating him," he said, "nor have I stopped." And when the former said in turn that he ought to have resolved the ambiguity by saying 'yes' or 'no', "It is ridiculous," he said, "to obey your rules, when one can resist at the gate." And when Bion was busily attacking the seers, he remarked that Bion was slaying the dead over again.
Καί ποτέ τινος ἀκούσας ὡς μέγιστον ἀγαθὸν εἴη τὸ πάντων ἐπιτυγχάνειν ὧν τις ἐπιθυμεῖ, εἶπε, πολὺ δὲ μεῖζον τὸ ἐπιθυμεῖν ὧν δεῖ. φησὶ δʼ Ἀντίγονος ὁ Καρύστιος γράψαι αὐτὸν μηδὲν μηδὲ συντάξαι, ὥστε μηδʼ ἐπὶ δόγματός τινος στηρίζειν. ἐν δὲ ταῖς ζητήσεσι, φησίν, ὧδε μάχιμος ἦν ὥστʼ ὑπώπια φέρων ὑπῄει. ὅμως δʼ οὖν τοιοῦτος ἐν τοῖς λόγοις ὑπάρχων ἐν τοῖς ἔργοις πρᾳότατος ἦν. Ἀλεξῖνον γοῦν πολλὰ καταπαίζων καὶ σκληρῶς ἐπισκώπτων, ὅμως αὐτὸν εὖ ἐποίησε τὴν γυναῖκα παραπέμψας ἐκ Δελφῶν ἕως Χαλκίδος, εὐλαβουμένην τὰς κλωπείας τε καὶ τὰς καθʼ ὁδὸν λῃστείας.
And once, hearing someone say that it was the greatest good to attain everything one desires, he said, "It is a much greater good to desire what one ought." Antigonus of Carystus says that he wrote nothing and composed no treatise, so that he did not commit himself to any dogma. Yet in inquiries, Antigonus says, he was so pugnacious that he would walk away with black eyes. Nevertheless, being such in his words, he was gentlest in his deeds. At any rate, though he frequently mocked Alexinus and jeered at him harshly, he nonetheless did him a kindness by escorting his wife from Delphi to Chalcis, as she feared theft and highway robbery.
Φίλος τε ἦν μάλιστα, ὡς δῆλον ἐκ τῆς πρὸς Ἀσκληπιάδην συμπνοίας, οὐδέν τι διαφερούσης τῆς Πυλάδου φιλοστοργίας. ἀλλὰ πρεσβύτερος Ἀσκληπιάδης, ὡς λέγεσθαι ποιητὴν μὲν αὐτὸν εἶναι, ὑποκριτὴν δὲ Μενέδημον. καί ποτέ φασιν Ἀρχιπόλιδος τρισχιλίας αὐτοῖς διαγράψαντος στηριζομένους περὶ τοῦ τίς δεύτερος ἀρεῖ, μηδέτερον λαβεῖν. λέγεται δὲ καὶ γυναῖκας ἀγαγέσθαι αὐτούς· ὧν τὴν μὲν θυγατέρα Ἀσκληπιάδην, τὴν δὲ μητέρα Μενέδημον2. κἀπειδὴ τελευτῆσαι τῷ Ἀσκληπιάδῃ τὸ γύναιον, λαβεῖν τὸ τοῦ Μενεδήμου· ἐκεῖνόν τε, ἐπειδὴ προὔστη τῆς πολιτείας, πλουσίαν γῆμαι· οὐδὲν μέντοι ἧττον μιᾶς οὔσης οἰκίας ἐπιτρέψαι τὸν Μενέδημον τὴν διοίκησιν τῇ προτέρᾳ γυναικί.
He was also a most loyal friend, as is clear from his harmony with Asclepiades, which differed not a bit from the affectionate devotion of Pylades. But Asclepiades was older, so that it was said that he was the poet and Menedemus the actor. And once, they say, when Archepolis assigned three thousand drachmas to them, neither of them accepted it, as they contended over which of them should take it second. It is also said that they took wives, of whom Asclepiades married the daughter and Menedemus the mother. And when Asclepiades' little wife died, he took Menedemus' wife; while Menedemus, when he became head of the city, married a wealthy woman. Yet since there was only one household, Menedemus none the less entrusted the management of the house to his former wife.
ὁ μέντοι Ἀσκληπιάδης προκατέστρεψεν ἐν Ἐρετρίᾳ γηραιὸς ἤδη, συζήσας τῷ Μενεδήμῳ σφόδρα εὐτελῶς ἀπὸ μεγάλων3· ὅτε καὶ μετὰ χρόνον ἐλθόντος ἐπὶ κῶμον ἐρωμένου τοῦ Ἀσκληπιάδου καὶ τῶν νεανίσκων ἀποκλειόντων αὐτόν, ὁ Μενέδημος ἐκέλευσεν εἰσδέξασθαι, εἰπὼν ὅτι Ἀσκληπιάδης αὐτῷ καὶ κατὰ γῆς ὢν τὰς θύρας ἀνοίγει. ἦσαν δʼ οἱ σωματοποιήσαντες αὐτοὺς Ἱππόνικός τε ὁ Μακεδὼν καὶ Ἀγήτωρ ὁ Λαμιεύς· ὁ μὲν ἑκατέρῳ δοὺς τριάκοντα μνᾶς, ὁ δʼ Ἱππόνικος Μενεδήμῳ εἰς ἔκδοσιν τῶν θυγατέρων δισχιλίας δραχμάς. ἦσαν δὲ τρεῖς, καθά φησιν Ἡρακλείδης, ἐξ Ὠρωπίας αὐτῷ γυναικὸς γεγεννημέναι.
Asclepiades, however, died before him in Eretria, already an old man, having lived together with Menedemus in great frugality after starting from great wealth. At that time, when after a while a beloved youth of Asclepiades came to a revel and the young men tried to shut him out, Menedemus ordered them to let him in, saying that Asclepiades was opening the doors for him even from beneath the earth. Those who endowed them with property were Hipponicus the Macedonian and Agetor of Lamia; the latter gave thirty minas to each, while Hipponicus gave Menedemus two thousand drachmas for the marriage-portions of his daughters. There were three daughters, as Heraclides says, born to him from an Oropian wife.
Τὰ δὲ συμπόσια τοῦτον ἐποιεῖτο τὸν τρόπον· προηρίστα μετὰ δυοῖν ἢ τριῶν ἕως βραδέως ἦν τῆς ἡμέρας· ἔπειτά τις ἐκάλει τοὺς παραγενομένους καὶ αὐτοὺς ἤδη δεδειπνηκότας· ὥστʼ εἴ τις ἔλθοι θᾶττον, ἀνακάμπτων ἐπυνθάνετο τῶν ἐξιόντων τί εἴη παρακείμενον καὶ πῶς ἔχοι τὸ τοῦ χρόνου· εἰ μὲν οὖν λαχάνιον ἢ ταρίχιον, ἀνεχώρουν· εἰ δὲ κρεᾴδιον, εἰσῄεσαν. ἦν δὲ τοῦ μὲν θέρους ψίαθος ἐπὶ τῶν κλινῶν, τοῦ δὲ χειμῶνος κώδιον· προσκεφάλαιον αὑτῷ φέρειν ἔδει. τό τε περιαγόμενον ποτήριον οὐ μεῖζον ἦν κοτυλιαίου· τράγημα θέρμος ἢ κύαμος, ἔστι δʼ ὅτε καὶ τῶν ὡρίων ἄπιος ἢ ῥοιὰ ἢ ὦχροι ἢ νὴ Δίʼ ἰσχάδες.
He used to conduct his dinner-parties in the following manner: he dined beforehand with two or three companions until late in the day; then someone would invite those who had arrived, who had themselves already had dinner; so that if anyone came earlier, he would turn back and ask those coming out what was being served and how things stood with the time; and if it was vegetables or salt-fish, they would depart, but if meat, they would go in. In summer there was a rush-mat upon the couches, and in winter a fleece; one had to bring one's own pillow. The cup that was passed round was no larger than a cotyle; the dessert consisted of lupines or beans, and sometimes seasonal fruits such as a pear, a pomegranate, chickpeas, or, by Zeus, dried figs.
- 2.17.135ἐξὸν ἐν πύλαις ἀντιβῆναι
The neuter participle ἐξόν from the impersonal ἔξεστι is an accusative absolute with concessive force ('although it is possible to resist at the gates'). Metaphorically, it implies that one can reject the very premise of the question at the threshold, rather than being forced to comply with the interlocutor's dialectical rules.
- 2.17.137ὧν τὴν μὲν θυγατέρα Ἀσκληπιάδην, τὴν δὲ μητέρα Μενέδημον
The relative pronoun ὧν is a partitive genitive referring to the preceding γυναῖκας (the mother and daughter). The governing infinitive ἀγαγέσθαι ('took as wife') is elided in both clauses, forming a concise antithesis: 'of whom Asclepiades married the daughter, and Menedemus the mother.'
- 2.17.138ἀπὸ μεγάλων
The prepositional phrase ἀπό with the neuter plural μεγάλων denotes the starting point or origin of their resources ('starting from great wealth / large means'), sharply contrasting with the adverb εὐτελῶς ('frugally').
