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§10.1.97-10.1.102

Natural Causes of Day-Night Variations, Rain, and Thunder

Epicurus excludes divine intervention from celestial periodicity and explains variations in day-night length, weather signs, and the formation of clouds, rain, thunder, and lightning through multiple natural causes conforming to phenomena.

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τοῦτο δὲ καὶ Διογένης ὁ Ἐπικούρειος ἐν τῇ α′ τῶν Ἐπιλέκτων.] “Ἔτι τε τάξις περιόδου, καθάπερ ἔνια καὶ παρʼ ἡμῖν τῶν τυχόντων γίνεται, λαμβανέσθω· καὶ ἡ θεία φύσις πρὸς ταῦτα μηδαμῇ προσαγέσθω, ἀλλʼ ἀλειτούργητος διατηρείσθω καὶ ἐν τῇ πάσῃ μακαριότητι· ὡς εἰ τοῦτο μὴ πραχθήσεται, ἅπασα ἡ περὶ τῶν μετεώρων αἰτιολογία ματαία ἔσται, καθάπερ τισὶν ἤδη ἐγένετο οὐ δυνατοῦ τρόπου ἐφαψαμένοις, εἰς δὲ τὸ μάταιον ἐκπεσοῦσι τῷ καθʼ ἕνα τρόπον μόνον οἴεσθαι γίνεσθαι1 τοὺς δʼ ἄλλους ἅπαντας τοὺς κατὰ τὸ ἐνδεχόμενον ἐκβάλλειν εἴς τε τὸ ἀδιανόητον φερομένους καὶ τὰ φαινόμενα, ἃ δεῖ σημεῖα ἀποδέχεσθαι, μὴ δυναμένους συνθεωρεῖν.

​And Diogenes the Epicurean also says this in the first book of the Selected Opinions.] "Furthermore, the regularity of a period should be conceived just as some ordinary occurrences take place among us too; and divine nature must not be brought in to account for these things in any way, but must be preserved free from service and in complete blessedness. For if this is not done, the whole explanation of celestial phenomena will be futile, just as has already happened to some who did not grasp a possible method, but fell into futility by supposing that it comes to be in only one way, and rejecting all the other ways that accord with possibility, being swept away into the unthinkable and unable to contemplate together the phenomena, which one must receive as signs.

“Μήκη νυκτῶν καὶ ἡμερῶν παραλλάττοντα καὶ παρὰ τὸ ταχείας ἡλίου κινήσεις γίνεσθαι2 καὶ πάλιν βραδείας ὑπὲρ γῆς παρὰ τὰ μήκη τόπων παραλλάττοντα καὶ τόπους τινὰς περαιοῦν τάχιον ἢ βραδύτερον, ὡς καὶ παρʼ ἡμῖν τινα θεωρεῖται, οἷς συμφώνως δεῖ λέγειν ἐπὶ τῶν μετεώρων. οἱ δὲ τὸ ἓν λαμβάνοντες τοῖς τε φαινομένοις μάχονται καὶ τοῦ ᾗ δυνατὸν ἀνθρώπῳ θεωρῆσαι διαπεπτώκασιν. “Ἐπισημασίαι δύνανται γίνεσθαι καὶ κατὰ συγκυρήσεις καιρῶν, καθάπερ ἐν τοῖς ἐμφανέσι παρʼ ἡμῖν ζῴοις, καὶ παρʼ ἑτεροιώσεις ἀέρος καὶ μεταβολάς. ἀμφότερα γὰρ ταῦτα οὐ μάχεται τοῖς φαινομένοις·

"The variations in the lengths of nights and days can also occur on account of the sun's movements becoming fast and again slow above the earth, on account of the varying lengths of places and its traversing certain places more quickly or more slowly, just as certain things are observed among us too, in agreement with which one must speak concerning celestial matters. But those who grasp the single explanation fight against the phenomena and have fallen away from the way in which it is possible for a human being to observe. "Weather signs can occur both by coincidences of seasons, just as among the animals visible among us, and on account of alterations and changes of the air. For neither of these conflicts with the phenomena;

ἐπὶ δὲ ποίοις παρὰ τοῦτο ἢ τοῦτο τὸ αἴτιον γίνεται οὐκ ἔστι συνιδεῖν. “Νέφη δύναται γίνεσθαι καὶ συνίστασθαι καὶ παρὰ πιλήσεις ἀέρος πνευμάτων συνώσει, καὶ παρὰ περιπλοκὰς ἀλληλούχων ἀτόμων καὶ ἐπιτηδείων εἰς τὸ τοῦτο τελέσαι καὶ κατὰ ῥευμάτων συλλογὴν ἀπό τε γῆς καὶ ὑδάτων· καὶ κατʼ ἄλλους δὲ τρόπους πλείους αἱ τῶν τοιούτων συστάσεις οὐκ ἀδυνατοῦσι συντελεῖσθαι. ἤδη δʼ ἀπʼ αὐτῶν ᾗ μὲν θλιβομένων, ᾗ δὲ μεταβαλλόντων ὕδατα δύναται συντελεῖσθαι,

​but in which cases it comes to be on account of this or that cause, it is not possible to discern. "Clouds can come to be and be formed both by compressions of air through the driving of winds, and by the entanglements of mutually grasping atoms that are suitable for bringing this about, and by the collection of streams from both earth and waters; and in many other ways it is not impossible for the formations of such things to be brought to completion. And from them already, in one way being squeezed and in another changing, waters can be brought to completion,

ἔτι τε ῥευμάτων κατʼ ἀποφορὰν ἀπὸ ἐπιτηδείων τόπων διʼ ἀέρος κινουμένων, βιαιοτέρας ἐπαρδεύσεως γινομένης ἀπό τινων ἀθροισμάτων ἐπιτηδείων εἰς τὰς τοιαύτας ἐκπέμψεις. βροντὰς ἐνδέχεται γίνεσθαι καὶ κατὰ πνεύματος ἐν τοῖς κοιλώμασι τῶν νεφῶν ἀνείλησιν, καθάπερ ἐν τοῖς ἡμετέροις ἀγγείοις, καὶ παρὰ πυρὸς πεπνευματωμένου βόμβον ἐν αὐτοῖς, καὶ κατὰ ῥήξεις δὲ νεφῶν καὶ διαστάσεις, καὶ κατὰ παρατρίψεις νεφῶν καὶ κατάξεις πῆξιν εἰληφότων κρυσταλλοειδῆ. καὶ τὸ ὅλον καὶ τοῦτο τὸ μέρος πλεοναχῶς γίνεσθαι λέγειν ἐκκαλεῖται τὰ φαινόμενα.

​and furthermore by the conveyance through the air of streams moving from suitable regions, when a more violent downpour arises from certain accumulations suitable for such discharges. Thunder admits of coming to be both by the winding of wind in the hollows of clouds, just as in our vessels, and on account of the rumbling of fire charged with wind in them, and also by ruptures and separations of clouds, and by collisions and fractures of clouds that have taken on a crystalline coagulation. And in general, the phenomena demand that one say that this department too comes to be in multiple ways.

καὶ ἀστραπαὶ δʼ ὡσαύτως γίνονται κατὰ πλείους τρόπους· καὶ γὰρ κατὰ παράτριψιν καὶ σύγκρουσιν νεφῶν ὁ πυρὸς ἀποτελεστικὸς σχηματισμὸς ἐξολισθαίνων ἀστραπὴν γεννᾷ· καὶ κατʼ ἐκριπισμὸν ἐκ τῶν νεφῶν ὑπὸ πνευμάτων τῶν τοιούτων σωμάτων ἃ τὴν λαμπηδόνα ταύτην παρασκευάζει, καὶ κατʼ ἐκπιασμόν, θλίψεως τῶν νεφῶν γινομένης, εἴθʼ ὑπʼ ἀλλήλων εἴθʼ ὑπὸ πνευμάτων· καὶ κατʼ ἐμπερίληψιν δὲ τοῦ ἀπὸ τῶν ἄστρων κατεσπαρμένου φωτός, εἶτα συνελαυνομένου ὑπὸ τῆς κινήσεως νεφῶν τε καὶ πνευμάτων καὶ διεκπίπτοντος διὰ τῶν νεφῶν· ἢ κατὰ διήθησιν 〈διὰ〉 τῶν νεφῶν τοῦ λεπτομερεστάτου φωτός, [ᾗ ἀπὸ τοῦ πυρὸς νέφη συνεφλέχθαι καὶ τὰς βροντὰς ἀποτελεῖσθαι] καὶ τὴν τούτου κίνησιν· καὶ κατὰ τὴν τοῦ πνεύματος ἐκπύρωσιν τὴν γινομένην διά τε συντονίαν φορᾶς καὶ διὰ σφοδρὰν κατείλησιν·

"And lightnings likewise come to be in multiple ways; for both by the friction and collision of clouds the conformation that produces fire slips out and generates lightning; and by the blowing out from the clouds by winds of such bodies as provide this brightness, and by squeezing, when compression of the clouds takes place, whether by one another or by winds; and also by the entrapment of light scattered down from the stars, which is then driven together by the motion of both clouds and winds and bursts out through the clouds; or by the filtration through the clouds of the finest-particled light, [in the way clouds are ignited by fire and thunders are brought to completion] and by the motion of this; and by the inflammation of the wind arising both through the intensity of its motion and through violent compression;

καὶ κατὰ ῥήξεις δὲ νεφῶν ὑπὸ πνευμάτων ἔκπτωσίν τε πυρὸς ἀποτελεστικῶν ἀτόμων καὶ τὸ τῆς ἀστραπῆς φάντασμα ἀποτελουσῶν. καὶ κατʼ ἄλλους δὲ πλείους τρόπους ῥᾳδίως ἔσται καθορᾶν ἐχόμενον ἀεὶ τῶν φαινομένων καὶ τὸ τούτοις ὅμοιον δυνάμενον συνθεωρεῖν. προτερεῖ δὲ ἀστραπὴ βροντῆς ἐν τοιᾷδέ τινι περιστάσει νεφῶν καὶ διὰ τὸ ἅμα τῷ τὸ πνεῦμα ἐμπίπτειν ἐξωθεῖσθαι τὸν ἀστραπῆς ἀποτελεστικὸν σχηματισμόν, ὕστερον δὲ τὸ πνεῦμα ἀνειλούμενον τὸν βόμβον ἀποτελεῖν τοῦτον· καὶ κατʼ ἔμπτωσιν δὲ ἀμφοτέρων ἅμα, τῷ τάχει συντονωτέρῳ κεχρῆσθαι πρὸς ἡμᾶς τὴν ἀστραπήν3, ὑστερεῖν δὲ τὴν βροντήν,

​and also by the ruptures of clouds by winds and the fallout of atoms productive of fire, which produce the appearance of lightning. And in many other ways it will be easy to discern for one who always clings to the phenomena and is able to contemplate together what is similar to them. And lightning precedes thunder in such a condition of clouds both because the conformation productive of lightning is expelled at the same time the wind strikes in, while later the wind winding about produces this rumbling; and also, when both strike together, because lightning makes use of a more intense speed toward us, while thunder lags behind,"

Syntax notes3 items
  1. 10.1.97εἰς δὲ τὸ μάταιον ἐκπεσοῦσι τῷ καθʼ ἕνα τρόπον μόνον οἴεσθαι γίνεσθαι

    The articular infinitive phrase τῷ + infinitive (οἴεσθαι ... ἐκβάλλειν) functions as a dative of cause or means, explaining why they fell into futility (ἐκπεσοῦσι, agreeing with τισίν). The subsequent participles φερομένους and μὴ δυναμένους appear in the accusative rather than the dative because they are assimilated as semantic subjects of the infinitives within the accusative and infinitive construction, describing the same group of dogmatic thinkers.

  2. 10.1.98Μήκη νυκτῶν καὶ ἡμερῶν παραλλάττοντα καὶ παρὰ τὸ ταχείας ἡλίου κινήσεις γίνεσθαι

    The opening words Μήκη νυκτῶν καὶ ἡμερῶν παραλλάττοντα are in the nominative without an explicit finite verb. A verb of occurrence or possibility (such as ἐνδέχεται γίνεσθαι or δύναται γίνεσθαι, frequent in these chapters) is understood by ellipsis, or the nominative functions as a pendens/rubric setting the topic, governed logically by the causal prepositional phrases with παρὰ τὸ ...

  3. 10.1.102προτερεῖ δὲ ἀστραπὴ βροντῆς ἐν τοιᾷδέ τινι περιστάσει νεφῶν καὶ διὰ τὸ ... ὕστερον δὲ ... καὶ κατʼ ἔμπτωσιν δὲ ἀμφοτέρων ἅμα, τῷ τάχει συντονωτέρῳ κεχρῆσθαι πρὸς ἡμᾶς τὴν ἀστραπήν

    Two distinct physical hypotheses are coordinated to account for why lightning precedes thunder. The first involves a difference in generation time, expressed by διὰ τό + infinitives (ἅμα τῷ ... ἐξωθεῖσθαι ... ὕστερον δὲ ... ἀποτελεῖν): the lightning-matter is expelled instantly upon impact, whereas the wind creates the thunder afterwards. The second assumes simultaneous production (κατʼ ἔμπτωσιν δὲ ἀμφοτέρων ἅμα) and attributes the lag to transmission speed via the articular infinitive of cause: τῷ τάχει συντονωτέρῳ κεχρῆσθαι ... τὴν ἀστραπήν, ὑστερεῖν δὲ τὴν βροντήν (lightning travels with greater velocity toward us, while thunder lags behind).

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