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Moral Letters to Lucilius

§87.34-87.41

Distinction between Virtue and Wealth, and True Philosophy

Seneca discusses the difference between virtue and wealth, explaining that the arrogance brought by wealth is derived from a preceding cause. He also cites arguments on the definition of poverty, concluding that practical philosophy aimed at correcting the pride of wealth is far more important than empty disputes over words.

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§87.34

​Habet virtus quoque praecedentem causan adducit invidiam, multis enim propter sapientiam multis propter iustitiam invidetur. Sed nec ex se hanc causam habet nec veri similem. Contra enim veri similior illa species hominum animis obicitur virtute,1 quae illos in amorem et admirationem vocet.

​Virtue also has a preceding cause: it brings on envy, for many are envied on account of wisdom, and many on account of justice. But it does not have this cause from itself, nor as a plausible one. For, on the contrary, a more plausible appearance is presented to the minds of men by virtue, which calls them to love and admiration.

§87.35

​Posidonius sic interrogandum ait: "quae neque magnitudinem animo dant nec fiduciam nec securitatem, non sunt bona. Divitiae autem et bona valetudo et similia his nihil horum faciunt; ergo non sunt bona." Hanc interrogationem magis etiam nunc hoc modo intendit: "quae neque magnitudinem animo dant nec fiduciam nec securitatem, contra autem insolentiam, tumorem, arrogantiam creant, mala sunt. A fortuitis2 autem in haec inpellimur ergo non sunt bona." "

​Posidonius says that we should question in this way: “Those things which give to the mind neither greatness nor confidence nor security are not goods. But riches and good health and similar things do none of these; therefore, they are not goods.” He now makes this questioning even stronger in this way: “Those things which give to the mind neither greatness nor confidence nor security, but on the contrary create insolence, swelling, and arrogance, are evils. But by fortuitous things we are impelled toward these; therefore, they are not goods.”

§87.36

​Hac," inquit, "ratione ne commoda quidem ista erunt." Alia est commodorum condicio, alia bonorum; commodum est, quod plus usus habet quam molestiae. Bonum sincerum esse debet et ab omni parte innoxium. Non est id bonum, quod plus prodest, sed quod tantum prodest.

”By this reasoning,” he says, “even those advantages of yours will not be advantages.” The condition of advantages is one thing, that of goods is another. An advantage is that which has more of use than of trouble. A good must be pure and harmless in every part. That is not a good which benefits more, but which benefits only.

§87.37

​Praeterea commodum et ad animalia pertinet et ad inperfectos homines et ad stultos. Itaque potest ei esse incommodum mixtum, sed commodum dicitur a maiore sui parte aestimatum; bonum ad unum sapientem pertinet; inviolatum esse oportet.

​Furthermore, an advantage pertains to animals and to imperfect men and to fools. Therefore, an advantage can have disadvantage mixed in, but it is called an advantage being estimated by its greater part; a good pertains only to the wise man; it must be inviolate.

§87.38

​Bonum animum habere; unus tibi nodus, sed Herculaneus restat: "ex malis bonum non fit. Ex multis paupertatibus3 divitiae fiunt; ergo divitiae bonum non sunt." Hanc interrogationem nostri non agnoscunt, Peripatetici et fingunt illam et solvunt. Ait autem Posidonius hoc sophisma, per omnes dialecticorum scholas iactatum, sic ab Antipatro refelli: "paupertas non per possessionem dicitur, sed per detractionem vel, ut antiqui dixerunt, orbationem.

​Have a good mind; one knot remains for you, but it is a Herculean one: “A good does not come from evils. Riches come from many poverty-stricken states; therefore, riches are not a good.” Our school does not acknowledge this questioning, but the Peripatetics both invent and solve it. But Posidonius says that this sophism, tossed about through all the schools of dialecticians, is refuted by Antipater in this way: “Poverty is not spoken of in respect of possession, but in respect of subtraction, or, as the ancients said, deprivation.

§87.39

​Graeci κατὰ στέρησιν dicunt. Non quod habeat dicit, sed quod non habeat. Itaque ex multis inanibus nihil inpleri potest; divitias multae res faciunt, non multae inopiae.4 Aliter," inquit, "quam debes, paupertatem intellegis. Paupertas enim est non quae pauca possidet, sed quae multa non possidet; ita non ab eo dicitur, quod habet, sed ab eo, quod ei deest."

​The Greeks call this ‘kat’ sterēsin’. It does not say what it has, but what it does not have. Therefore, from many empty things nothing can be filled; many resources make riches, not many wants. You understand poverty,” he says, “otherwise than you ought. For poverty is not that which possesses few things, but that which does not possess many things; so it is spoken of not from what it has, but from what it lacks.”

§87.40

​Facilius, quod volo, exprimerem, si Latinum verbum esset, quo ἀνυπαρξία significaretur. Hanc paupertati Antipater adsignat; ego non video, quid aliud sit paupertas quam parvi possessio. De isto videbimus, si quando valde vacabit, quae sit divitiarum, quae paupertatis substantia; sed tunc quoque considerabimus, numquid satius sit paupertatem permulcere, divitiis demere supercilium quam litigare de verbis, quasi iam de rebus iudicatum sit.

​I could express what I want more easily if there were a Latin word by which ‘anyparxia’ is signified. Antipater assigns this to poverty; I do not see what else poverty is than the possession of little. We shall see about that, if ever we have plenty of leisure, what the substance of riches is, and what that of poverty is; but even then we shall consider whether it is not better to soothe poverty and take away arrogance from riches than to dispute about words, as if judgment had already been passed on things.

§87.41

​Putemus nos ad contionem vocatos; lex de abolendis divitiis fertur. His interrogationibus suasuri aut dissuasuri sumus? His effecturi, ut populus Romanus paupertatem, fundamentum et causam imperii sui, requirat ac laudet, divitias autem suas timeat, ut cogitet has se apud victos repperisse, hinc ambitum et largitiones et tumultus in urbem sanctissimam et temperantissimam inrupisse, nimis luxuriose ostentari gentium spolia, quod unus populus eripuerit omnibus, facilius ab omnibus uni eripi posse? Hanc satius est suadere et expugnare adfectus, non circumscribere. Si possumus, fortius loquamur; si minus, apertius. VALE.

​Let us suppose we are called to an assembly; a law is being proposed concerning the abolition of riches. Are we going to advocate or oppose it with these questionings? Are we going to bring it about by these that the Roman people seek and praise poverty, the foundation and cause of their empire, but fear their riches, reflecting that they found these among the conquered, that from here electioneering, bribery, and tumults rushed into the most sacred and temperate city, that the spoils of nations are displayed too luxuriously, and that what one people snatched from all can more easily be snatched from one by all? It is better to persuade this and to conquer emotions, not to circumvent them. If we can, let us speak more strongly; if not, more clearly. FAREWELL.

Syntax notes4 items
  1. 87.34virtute

    "virtute" is an ablative functioning as an instrument or agent ("by virtue") in relation to the main verb "obicitur". It shows that virtue acts as the agent that presents a "more plausible appearance" to human minds.

  2. 87.35A fortuitis

    The substantivized neuter plural ablative of the adjective "fortuitus" (accidental). Along with the preposition "a", it indicates the causal relationship where humans are "impelled" (inpellimur) into vices by external "fortuitous things" such as wealth or health.

  3. 87.38paupertatibus

    The plural ablative of the abstract noun "paupertas" (poverty). In the sophism raised by the Peripatetics that "riches arise from many poverties," this abstract noun, normally used in the singular, is intentionally used in the plural to emphasize the plurality of the premise.

  4. 87.39multae inopiae

    The nominative plural of the feminine noun "inopia" (want, scarcity). It is contrasted with "multae res" (many things/resources). Based on Antipater's argument that poverty is "privation" (or a non-existent lack), it forms a logical negation: "not many wants make riches."

Translated by Gemini 3.5 Flash (published 2026-05-25) · Revision history (1, latest 2026-09-22)
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