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- Seneca, Lucius Annaeus. Ad Lucilium Epistulae Morales, Vol 1-3. Gummere, Richard Mott, editor. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press; London: William Heinemann, Ltd., 1917-1925.
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Seneca refutes Posidonius' defense of Zeno's syllogism by distinguishing between temporary drunkenness and habitual drinking, arguing that even noted heavy drinkers like Piso and Cossus kept state secrets and performed their duties with fidelity. He contends that instead of sterile logic, one should directly criticize drunkenness by exposing its shameful reality as a form of voluntary madness.
Huic autem neminem commissurum arcana,1 quae per vinum eloqui possit. Quod est falsum. Prima enim illa interrogatio conplectitur eum, qui est ebrius, non eum, qui futurus est. Plurimum enim interesse concedes et inter ebrium et ebriosum. Potest et qui ebrius est, tunc primum esse nec habere hoc vitium, et qui ebriosus est, saepe extra ebrietatem esse. Itaque id intellego, quod significari verbo isto solet, praesertim cum ab homine diligentiam professo ponatur et verba examinante. Adice nunc quod, si hoc intellexit Zenon et nos intellegere voluit, ambiguitate verbi quaesiit locum fraudi, quod faciendum non est, ubi veritas quaeritur.
”To this man, however, no one will commit secrets, which he might blab out through wine.” This is false. For that first syllogism includes him who is drunk, not him who is going to be. For you will grant that there is a very great difference between a drunk man and a drunkard. It can be both that he who is drunk is so then for the first time and does not have this vice, and that he who is a drunkard is often free from drunkenness. Therefore, I understand that which is accustomed to be signified by that word, especially since it is set down by a man who professes precision and examines words. Add to this that, if Zeno meant this and wanted us to understand it, he sought room for deception by the ambiguity of the word, which ought not to be done where truth is sought.
Sed sane hoc senserit;2 quod sequitur, falsum est, ei qui soleat ebrius fieri, non committi sermonem secretum. Cogita enim, quam multis militibus non semper sobriis et imperator et tribunus et centurio tacenda mandaverint. De illa C. Caesaris caede, illius dico, qui superata Pompeio3 rem publicam tenuit, tam creditum est Tillio Cimbro quam C Cassio. Cassius tota vita aquam bibit, Tillius Cimber et nimius erat in vino et scordalus. In hanc rem locutus est ipse: "ego," inquit, "quemquam feram, qui vinum ferre non possum?4"
But indeed, let him have meant this; what follows is false, that to one who is accustomed to get drunk, a secret conversation is not committed. For consider to how many soldiers, not always sober, both general and tribune and centurion have entrusted things to be kept silent. Concerning that murder of Gaius Caesar—I mean him who held the republic after defeating Pompey—Tillius Cimber was trusted as much as Gaius Cassius. Cassius drank water all his life; Tillius Cimber was both excessive in wine and a brawler. On this matter he himself spoke: “Shall I,” he said, “bear anyone, I who cannot bear wine?”
Sibi quisque nunc nominet eos, quibus scit et vinum male credi et sermonem bene, unum tamen exemplum, quod occurrit mihi, referam, ne intercedat Instruenda est enim vita exemplis inlustribus. Non semper confugiamus ad vetera.
Now let each name for himself those to whom he knows both wine is badly entrusted and speech is well; yet I will relate one example that occurs to me, lest it be lost. For life must be equipped with illustrious examples. Let us not always flee to ancient ones.
L. Piso, urbis custos, ebrius ex quo semel factus est, fuit. Maiorem noctis partem in convivio exigebat; usque in horam fere sextam dormiebat; hoc eius erat matutinum. Officium tamen suum, quo tutela urbis continebatur, diligentissime administravit. Huic et divus Augustus dedit secreta mandata, cum illum praeponeret Thraciae, quam perdomuit, et Tiberius proficiscens in Campaniam, cum multa in urbe et suspecta relinqueret et invisa.
Lucius Piso, the guardian of the city, was drunk from the moment he first became so. He spent the greater part of the night in banquet; he slept until almost the sixth hour; this was his morning. Yet he administered his duty, in which the protection of the city was contained, most diligently. To him both the deified Augustus gave secret commands, when he put him in charge of Thrace, which he thoroughly subdued, and Tiberius when setting out for Campania, when he left many things in the city that were both suspected and hated.
Puto, quia illi bene cesserat Pisonis ebrietas, postea Cossum fecit urbis praefectum, virum gravem, moderatum, sed mersum et vino madentem, adeo ut ex senatu aliquando, in quem e convivio venerat, obpressus inexcitabili somno tolleretur. Huic tamen Tiberius multa sua manu scripsit, quae committenda ne ministris quidem suis iudicabat. Nullum Cosso aut privatum secretum aut publicum elapsum est.
I think, because Piso’s drunkenness had turned out well for him, he afterwards made Cossus prefect of the city, a man serious, moderate, but drowned and soaked in wine, so much so that sometimes he was carried out from the senate, into which he had come from a banquet, overcome by an sleep from which he could not be awakened. To him, however, Tiberius wrote many things with his own hand, which he did not judge should be committed even to his own ministers. No secret, either private or public, slipped from Cossus.
Itaque declamationes istas de medio removeamus: "Non est animus in sua potestate ebrietate devinctus. Quemadmodum musto dolia ipsa rumpuntur et omne, quod in imo iacet, in summam partem vis caloris eiectat; sic vino exaestuante, quicquid in imo iacet abditum, effertur et prodit in medium. Onerati mero quemadmodum non continent cibum vino redundante, ita ne secretum quidem. Quod suum alienumque est, pariter effundunt."
Therefore, let us remove those declamations from our midst: “The mind, bound by drunkenness, is not in its own power. Just as jars themselves are burst by must, and the force of heat ejects to the top whatever lies at the bottom; so when wine boils up, whatever lies hidden at the bottom is brought up and comes out into the open. Those loaded with unmixed wine, just as they do not retain food when wine overflows, so not even a secret. They pour out equally what is their own and what is another’s.”
Sed quamvis hoc soleat accidere, ita et illud solet, ut cum iis, quos sciamus libentius bibere, de rebus necessariis deliberemus. Falsum ergo est hoc, quod patrocinii loco ponitur, ei qui soleat ebrius fieri, non dari tacitum.5 Quanto satius est aperte accusare ebrietatem et vitia eius exponere, quae etiam tolerabilis homo vitaverit, nedum perfectus ac sapiens, cui satis est sitim extinguere, qui, etiam si quando hortata est hilaritas aliena causa producta longius, tamen citra ebrietatem resistit.
But although this is accustomed to happen, so also is that accustomed to happen, namely, that we deliberate on necessary matters with those whom we know drink quite willingly. Therefore, this is false, which is put forward by way of defense, that to him who is accustomed to get drunk, a secret is not given. How much better is it openly to accuse drunkenness and expose its vices, which even a tolerable man would avoid, let alone a perfect and wise man, for whom it is enough to quench his thirst, who, even if sometimes a cheerfulness produced for another’s sake and prolonged further has encouraged him, nevertheless stops short of drunkenness.
Nam de illo videbimus, an sapientis animus nimio vino turbetur et faciat ebriis solita; interim, si hoc colligere vis virum bonum non debere ebrium fieri, cur syllogismis agis? Dic, quam turpe sit plus sibi ingerere quam capiat et stomachi sui non nosse mensuram, quam multa ebrii faciant, quibus sobrii erubescant, nihil aliud esse ebrietatem quam voluntariam insaniam. Extende in plures dies illum ebrii habitum; numquid de furore dubitabis?
For about that other matter we shall see, whether the mind of a wise man is disturbed by too much wine and does things customary for drunkards; in the meantime, if you want to conclude this, that a good man ought not to get drunk, why do you act with syllogisms? Say how shameful it is to pour into oneself more than one can hold and not to know the measure of one’s own stomach, how many things drunk men do, at which sober men would blush, and that drunkenness is nothing other than voluntary madness. Extend that state of a drunk man to several days; will you have any doubt about madness?
- 83.11Huic autem neminem commissurum arcana
An indirect statement continuing Posidonius' argument (dependent on "Ait" in §83.10), with the infinitive "esse" omitted after the future participle "commissurum". "Huic" refers to the habitual drunkard (ebriosus).
- 83.12Sed sane hoc senserit
The perfect subjunctive "senserit" is used here to express concession ("granted that he meant this" or "let him have meant this").
- 83.12superata Pompeio
An ablative absolute meaning "after Pompey had been defeated." Since Pompeius is a masculine noun, one would grammatically expect "superato Pompeio"; the form "superata" suggests either a textual corruption or a grammatical peculiarity.
- 83.12ego ... quemquam feram, qui vinum ferre non possum?
A witty wordplay by Tillius Cimber exploiting the double meaning of "fero" (to bear, tolerate / to carry, hold one's liquor). The first verb "feram" is a deliberative subjunctive meaning "tolerate (someone's rule or insolence)," while the second infinitive "ferre" means "bear or hold wine." It contrasts with Cassius's sober lifestyle.
- 83.17tacitum
The neuter singular of the adjective "tacitus" (silent, secret) used substantively to mean "a secret" or "something to be kept silent" within this context.
