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- Diogenes Laertius. Hicks, R. D., editor. Cambridge, MA.: Harvard University Press; London: William Heinemann Ltd., 1925.
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- Humanitext Reader · reader.humanitext.ai · 2026-09-23
Anecdotes of Theodorus' sharp-witted exchanges with figures such as Eurycleides, Lysimachus, and Metrocles are recorded, followed by a catalogue of twenty notable historical figures named Theodorus.
ἔστι δὲ χρήσιμος πρὸς τὸ πλησιάζειν. ὧν δεδομένων ἐπῆγεν· οὐκοῦν εἴ τις πλησιασμῷ χρώμενος παρʼ ὅσον χρήσιμός ἐστιν, οὐ διαμαρτάνει· οὐδʼ ἄρα εἰ κάλλει χρήσαιτο παρʼ ὅσον χρήσιμόν ἐστι, διαμαρτήσεται. τοιαῦτα ἄττα διερωτῶν ἴσχυε τῷ λόγῳ. Δοκεῖ δὲ θεὸς κληθῆναι, Στίλπωνος αὐτὸν ἐρωτήσαντος οὕτως, ἆρά γε, Θεόδωρε, ὃ φῂς εἶναι, τοῦτο καὶ εἶ;1 ἐπινεύσαντος δέ, φῂς δʼ εἶναι θεόν; τοῦ δʼ ὁμολογήσαντος, θεὸς εἶ ἄρα, ἔφη. δεξαμένου δʼ ἀσμένως, γελάσας φησίν, ἀλλʼ, ὦ μόχθηρε, τῷ λόγῳ τούτῳ καὶ κολοιὸς ἂν ὁμολογήσειας εἶναι καὶ ἄλλα μυρία.
“And he is useful for sexual intercourse.” These premises having been granted, he drew the conclusion: “Therefore, if someone who makes use of intercourse insofar as it is useful does not err, neither then will he err if he makes use of beauty insofar as it is useful.” By asking such questions, he prevailed in argument. He is thought to have been called a “god” because Stilpo questioned him in this manner: “Is that which you say you are, Theodorus, also that which you are?” When he nodded assent, Stilpo continued: “And do you say you are a god?” When he agreed, Stilpo said: “Then you are a god.” And when Theodorus accepted this gladly, Stilpo laughed and said: “Yet, you miserable man, by this same reasoning you would also agree that you are a jackdaw and a myriad other things!”
Ὁ δʼ οὖν Θεόδωρος προσκαθίσας ποτὲ Εὐρυκλείδῃ τῷ ἱεροφάντῃ, λέγε μοι, ἔφη, Εὐρυκλείδη, τίνες εἰσὶν οἱ ἀσεβοῦντες περὶ τὰ μυστήρια. εἰπόντος δʼ ἐκείνου, οἱ τοῖς ἀμυήτοις αὐτὰ ἐκφέροντες, ἀσεβεῖς ἄρα, ἔφη, καὶ σύ, τοῖς ἀμυήτοις διηγούμενος. καὶ μέντοι παρʼ ὀλίγον ἐκινδύνευσεν εἰς Ἄρειον ἀναχθῆναι πάγον, εἰ μὴ Δημήτριος ὁ Φαληρεὺς αὐτὸν ἐρρύσατο. Ἀμφικράτης δʼ ἐν τῷ Περὶ ἐνδόξων ἀνδρῶν φησι κώνειον αὐτὸν πιεῖν καταδικασθέντα.
At any rate, Theodorus once sat down beside the hierophant Eurycleides and said: “Tell me, Eurycleides, who are those who commit impiety with respect to the mysteries?” And when the other replied: “Those who disclose them to the uninitiated,” Theodorus said: “Then you too are impious, since you narrate them to the uninitiated.” Indeed, he ran the risk of narrowly missing being brought before the Areopagus, had not Demetrius of Phalerum rescued him. Amphicrates, however, in his work On Illustrious Men, says that he was condemned and drank the hemlock.
Διατρίβων δὲ παρὰ Πτολεμαίῳ τῷ Λάγου ἀπεστάλη ποθʼ ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ πρὸς Λυσίμαχον πρεσβευτής. ὅτε καὶ παρρησιαζομένῳ φησὶν ὁ Λυσίμαχος, λέγε μοι, Θεόδωρε, οὐ σὺ εἶ ὁ ἐκπεσὼν Ἀθήνηθεν; καὶ ὅς, ὀρθῶς ἀκήκοας· ἡ γὰρ τῶν Ἀθηναίων πόλις οὐ δυναμένη με φέρειν, ὥσπερ ἡ Σεμέλη τὸν Διόνυσον, ἐξέβαλε. πάλιν δʼ εἰπόντος τοῦ Λυσιμάχου, [βλέπε] ὅπως μὴ παρέσῃ πρὸς ἡμᾶς ἔτι, οὐκ ἄν, ἔφη, ἂν μὴ Πτολεμαῖος ἀποστείλῃ.2 Μίθρου δὲ τοῦ διοικητοῦ τοῦ Λυσιμάχου παρεστῶτος καὶ εἰπόντος, ἔοικας σὺ μὴ μόνον θεοὺς ἀγνοεῖν ἀλλὰ καὶ βασιλέας, πῶς, εἶπεν, ἀγνοῶ, ὅπου γε καὶ θεοῖς σε ἐχθρὸν εἶναι νομίζω; φασὶ δέ ποτε ἐν Κορίνθῳ παρέρχεσθαι αὐτὸν συχνοὺς ἐπαγόμενον μαθητάς, Μητροκλέα δὲ τὸν κυνικὸν σκάνδικας πλύνοντα εἰπεῖν, σὺ ὁ σοφιστὴς οὐκ ἂν τοσούτων ἔχρῃζες μαθητῶν, εἰ λάχανα ἔπλυνες· τὸν δʼ ὑπολαβόντʼ εἰπεῖν, καὶ σὺ εἴπερ ἀνθρώποις ᾔδεις ὁμιλεῖν, οὐκ ἂν τούτοις τοῖς λαχάνοις ἐχρῶ.
While staying with Ptolemy the son of Lagus, he was once sent by him as an ambassador to Lysimachus. On this occasion, when he spoke with outspoken freedom, Lysimachus said to him: “Tell me, Theodorus, are you not the one who was banished from Athens?” And he replied: “You have heard rightly; for the city of the Athenians, unable to bear me just as Semele could not bear Dionysus, cast me out.” When Lysimachus said again: “See to it that you no longer come into our presence,” he replied: “I certainly would not, unless Ptolemy should send me.” When Mithras, Lysimachus’ steward, who was standing by, said: “You seem to be ignorant not only of the gods, but also of kings,” he replied: “How can I be ignorant of them, seeing that I consider you to be an enemy even to the gods?” They say that once in Corinth he was passing by, leading along a great crowd of pupils, and Metrocles the Cynic, who was washing chervil, said: “You, the sophist, would not need so many pupils if you washed wild vegetables!” Whereupon Theodorus retorted: “And you, if you knew how to converse with men, would not be making use of these vegetables.”
τὸ ὅμοιον ἀναφέρεται, καθὰ προείρηται, καὶ εἰς Διογένην καὶ Ἀρίστιππον. Τοιοῦτος μὲν ὁ Θεόδωρος κἀν τούτοις. τελευταῖον δʼ εἰς Κυρήνην ἀπελθὼν καὶ Μάγᾳ συμβιοὺς ἐν πάσῃ τιμῇ διετέλει τυγχάνων. ἔνθεν τὸ πρῶτον ἐκβαλλόμενος λέγεται χάριέν τι εἰπεῖν· ἔφη γάρ, καλῶς ποιεῖτε, ἄνδρες Κυρηναῖοι, ἐκ τῆς Λιβύης εἰς τὴν Ἑλλάδα με ἐξορίζοντες. Θεόδωροι δὲ γεγόνασιν εἴκοσι· πρῶτος Σάμιος, υἱὸς Ῥοίκου. οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ συμβουλεύσας ἄνθρακας ὑποτιθέναι τοῖς θεμελίοις τοῦ ἐν Ἐφέσῳ νεώ· καθύγρου γὰρ ὄντος τοῦ τόπου τοὺς ἄνθρακας ἔφη τὸ ξυλῶδες ἀποβαλόντας αὐτὸ τὸ στερεὸν ἀπαθὲς ἕξειν ὕδατι.3 δεύτερος Κυρηναῖος, γεωμέτρης οὗ διήκουσε Πλάτων· τρίτος ὁ προγεγραμμένος φιλόσοφος· τέταρτος οὗ τὸ φωνασκικὸν φέρεται βιβλίον πάγκαλον·
The same story, as mentioned earlier, is also attributed to Diogenes and Aristippus. Such was Theodorus in these respects as well. At last he departed for Cyrene and, living together with Magas, continued to enjoy every honor. When he was initially being banished from there, he is reported to have made a witty remark; for he said: “You do well, men of Cyrene, in exiling me from Libya to Greece.” There have been twenty men named Theodorus. The first was a Samian, son of Rhoecus. He was the one who advised laying down charcoal beneath the foundations of the temple at Ephesus; for since the place was damp, he said that the charcoal, having shed its woody character, would keep its solid part itself unaffected by water. The second was a Cyrenaean, a geometer whom Plato attended. The third was the aforementioned philosopher. The fourth was one whose treatise on vocal training is celebrated as very fine.
πέμπτος ὁ περὶ τῶν νομοποιῶν πεπραγματευμένος, ἀρξάμενος ἀπὸ Τερπάνδρου· ἕκτος στωικός· ἕβδομος ὁ τὰ περὶ Ῥωμαίων πεπραγματευμένος· ὄγδοος Συρακόσιος, περὶ τακτικῶν γεγραφώς· ἔνατος Βυζάντιος, ἀπὸ λόγων πολιτικῶν· δέκατος ὁμοίως, οὗ Ἀριστοτέλης μνημονεύει διὰ τῆς ἐπιτομῆς τῶν ῥητόρων· ἑνδέκατος Θηβαῖος, ἀνδριαντοποιός· δωδέκατος ζωγράφος, οὗ μέμνηται Πολέμων· τρισκαιδέκατος ζωγράφος, Ἀθηναῖος, ὑπὲρ οὗ γράφει Μηνόδοτος· τεσσαρεσκαιδέκατος Ἐφέσιος, ζωγράφος, οὗ μέμνηται Θεοφάνης ἐν τῷ περὶ γραφικῆς· πεντεκαιδέκατος ποιητὴς ἐπιγραμμάτων· ἑκκαιδέκατος γεγραφὼς περὶ ποιητῶν· ἑπτακαιδέκατος ἰατρός, Ἀθηναίου μαθητής· ὀκτωκαιδέκατος Χῖος, φιλόσοφος στωικός· ἐννεακαιδέκατος Μιλήσιος, καὶ αὐτὸς στωικὸς φιλόσοφος· εἰκοστὸς ποιητὴς τραγῳδίας.
The fifth was one who composed a work concerning the lawgivers, beginning from Terpander. The sixth was a Stoic. The seventh was one who wrote concerning Roman affairs. The eighth was a Syracusan, who wrote on tactics. The ninth was of Byzantium, known from political speeches. The tenth likewise, whom Aristotle mentions in his compendium of the rhetoricians. The eleventh was a Theban, a sculptor. The twelfth was a painter, mentioned by Polemon. The thirteenth was a painter, an Athenian, about whom Menodotus writes. The fourteenth was an Ephesian, a painter, whom Theophanes mentions in his treatise On Painting. The fifteenth was an epigrammatic poet. The sixteenth was one who wrote concerning poets. The seventeenth was a physician, a pupil of Athenaeus. The eighteenth was of Chios, a Stoic philosopher. The nineteenth was of Miletus, likewise a Stoic philosopher. The twentieth was a tragic poet.
- 2.8.100ὃ φῂς εἶναι, τοῦτο καὶ εἶ;
The relative pronoun ὃ serves as a predicate accusative to the infinitive in φῂς εἶναι, while the antecedent τοῦτο is the predicate nominative in the main clause: "Are you also that which you say you are?" This sets up the premise for Stilpo's sophism.
- 2.8.102οὐκ ἄν, ἔφη, ἂν μὴ Πτολεμαῖος ἀποστείλῃ.
After οὐκ ἄν, an optative corresponding to the preceding παρέσῃ (e.g., παρείην) is elided. The first ἄν belongs to the apodosis of a conditional/potential construction, while the second ἄν represents ἐάν introducing the subjunctive clause: "I certainly would not [come], unless Ptolemy should send me."
- 2.8.103τοὺς ἄνθρακας ἔφη τὸ ξυλῶδες ἀποβαλόντας αὐτὸ τὸ στερεὸν ἀπαθὲς ἕξειν ὕδατι.
An accusative and infinitive construction dependent on ἔφη. τοὺς ἄνθρακας is the subject accusative, modified by the circumstantial participle ἀποβαλόντας. The direct object of the infinitive ἕξειν is αὐτὸ τὸ στερεόν, with ἀπαθές serving as a predicate adjective: "would keep its solid part itself unaffected by water." ὕδατι is a dative of reference/respect.
