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§10.1.133-10.1.137

The State of the Sage and Differences with the Cyrenaics

Epicurus concludes his Letter to Menoeceus by extolling the wise man, after which Diogenes Laertius details Epicurus' disagreements with the Cyrenaics regarding static pleasure and mental pain.

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“Ἐπεὶ τίνα νομίζεις εἶναι κρείττονα τοῦ καὶ περὶ θεῶν ὅσια δοξάζοντος1 καὶ περὶ θανάτου διὰ παντὸς ἀφόβως ἔχοντος καὶ τὸ τῆς φύσεως ἐπιλελογισμένου τέλος, καὶ τὸ μὲν τῶν ἀγαθῶν πέρας ὡς ἔστιν εὐσυμπλήρωτόν τε καὶ εὐπόριστον διαλαμβάνοντος, τὸ δὲ τῶν κακῶν ὡς ἢ χρόνους ἢ πόνους ἔχει βραχεῖς, τὴν δὲ ὑπό τινων δεσπότιν εἰσαγομένην πάντων διαγελῶντος 〈εἱμαρμένην καὶ μᾶλλον ἃ μὲν κατʼ ἀνάγκην γίγνεσθαι λέγοντοσ〉, ἃ δὲ ἀπὸ τύχης, ἃ δὲ παρʼ ἡμᾶς διὰ τὸ τὴν μὲν ἀνάγκην ἀνυπεύθυνον εἶναι, τὴν δὲ τύχην ἄστατον ὁρᾶν, τὸ δὲ παρʼ ἡμᾶς ἀδέσποτον, ᾧ καὶ τὸ μεμπτὸν καὶ τὸ ἐναντίον παρακολουθεῖν πέφυκεν

"For whom do you consider better than the man who both thinks piously about the gods, and is continuously fearless concerning death, and has reasoned out the end of nature; and who understands that the limit of good things is easy to fulfill and easy to procure, while the limit of evils has either short periods or small pains; and who laughs to scorn the destiny introduced by some as the mistress of all things, and rather says that some things happen by necessity, some from fortune, and some through ourselves, because necessity is unaccountable, while fortune he sees to be unstable, and what is through ourselves is without a master, to which blame and its opposite are naturally attached

(ἐπεὶ κρεῖττον ἦν2 τῷ περὶ θεῶν μύθῳ κατακολουθεῖν ἢ τῇ τῶν φυσικῶν εἱμαρμένῃ δουλεύειν· ὁ μὲν γὰρ ἐλπίδα παραιτήσεως ὑπογράφει θεῶν διὰ τιμῆς, ἡ δὲ ἀπαραίτητον ἔχει τὴν ἀνάγκην), τὴν δὲ τύχην οὔτε θεόν, ὡς οἱ πολλοὶ νομίζουσιν, ὑπολαμβάνοντος (οὐθὲν γὰρ ἀτάκτως θεῷ πράττεται) οὔτε ἀβέβαιον αἰτίαν (〈οὐκ〉 οἴεται μὲν γὰρ ἀγαθὸν ἢ κακὸν ἐκ ταύτης πρὸς τὸ μακαρίως ζῆν ἀνθρώποις δίδοσθαι, ἀρχὰς μέντοι μεγάλων ἀγαθῶν ἢ κακῶν ὑπὸ ταύτης χορηγεῖσθαι),

(since it were better to follow the myth about the gods than to be enslaved to the destiny of the physicists; for the former suggests a hope of winning over the gods through honor, but the latter possesses an inexorable necessity); and who supposes that fortune is neither a god, as the multitude believes (for nothing is done disorderly by a god), nor an uncertain cause (for he does not think that good or evil is given to humans by fortune with a view to the blessed life, though the starting points of great goods or evils are supplied by it);

κρεῖττον εἶναι νομίζοντος εὐλογίστως ἀτυχεῖν ἢ ἀλογίστως εὐτυχεῖν· βέλτιον γὰρ ἐν ταῖς πράξεσι τὸ καλῶς κριθὲν μὴ ὀρθωθῆναι διὰ ταύτην. “Ταῦτα οὖν καὶ τὰ τούτοις συγγενῆ μελέτα πρὸς σεαυτὸν ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς πρός τε τὸν ὅμοιον σεαυτῷ, καὶ οὐδέποτε οὔθʼ ὕπαρ οὔτʼ ὄναρ διαταραχθήσῃ, ζήσεις δὲ ὡς θεὸς ἐν ἀνθρώποις. οὐθὲν γὰρ ἔοικε θνητῷ ζῴῳ ζῶν ἄνθρωπος ἐν ἀθανάτοις ἀγαθοῖς. Μαντικὴν δʼ ἅπασαν ἐν ἄλλοις ἀναιρεῖ, ὡς καὶ ἐν τῇ μικρᾷ ἐπιτομῇ. καί φησι· μαντικὴ οὖσα ἀνύπαρκτος, εἰ δὲ καὶ ὑπαρκτή, οὐδὲν πρὸς ἡμᾶς ἡγητέα γινόμενα3. Τοσαῦτα καὶ περὶ τῶν βιωτικῶν· καὶ ἐπὶ πλείω διείλεκται ἀλλαχόθι.

​and who considers it better to be unlucky with reason than to be lucky without reason; for in actions it is better that what has been well judged should fail to succeed because of fortune. "Practice, then, these things and what is kindred to them day and night with yourself and with one like yourself, and never will you be disturbed either awake or in a dream, but you will live as a god among men. For a man living among immortal goods is not at all like a mortal living creature." But he abolishes all divination in other works, as also in the Short Epitome; and he says: "Divination being non-existent, and even if it exists, the events that occur must be deemed nothing to us." So much concerning the practical aspects of life; and he has discussed these things more fully elsewhere.

Διαφέρεται δὲ πρὸς τοὺς Κυρηναϊκοὺς περὶ τῆς ἡδονῆς· οἱ μὲν γὰρ τὴν καταστηματικὴν οὐκ ἐγκρίνουσι, μόνην δὲ τὴν ἐν κινήσει· ὁ δὲ ἀμφοτέραν * * ψυχῆς καὶ σώματος, ὥς φησιν ἐν τῷ Περὶ αἱρέσεως καὶ φυγῆς καὶ ἐν τῷ Περὶ τέλους καὶ ἐν τῷ πρώτῳ Περὶ βίων καὶ ἐν τῇ πρὸς τοὺς ἐν Μυτιλήνῃ φιλοσόφους ἐπιστολῇ. ὁμοίως δὲ καὶ Διογένης ἐν τῇ ἑπτακαιδεκάτῃ τῶν Ἐπιλέκτων καὶ Μητρόδωρος ἐν τῷ Τιμοκράτει λέγουσιν οὕτω· νοουμένης δὲ ἡδονῆς τῆς τε κατὰ κίνησιν καὶ τῆς καταστηματικῆς. ὁ δʼ Ἐπίκουρος ἐν τῷ Περὶ αἱρέσεων οὕτω λέγει· ἡ μὲν γὰρ ἀταραξία καὶ ἀπονία καταστηματικαί εἰσιν ἡδοναί· ἡ δὲ χαρὰ καὶ ἡ εὐφροσύνη κατὰ κίνησιν ἐνεργείᾳ βλέπονται.

​Now he differs from the Cyrenaics concerning pleasure; for they do not admit katastematic pleasure, but only kinetic pleasure; whereas he admits both kinds of pleasure in both soul and body, as he says in On Choice and Avoidance, in On the End, in the first book of On Ways of Life, and in the Letter to the Philosophers in Mytilene. In like manner also Diogenes in the seventeenth book of Selected Essays and Metrodorus in his Timocrates speak thus: "Pleasure being understood both as kinetic and as katastematic." And Epicurus himself in On Choices speaks thus: "For tranquility of soul and absence of pain are katastematic pleasures; while joy and merriment are viewed in activity as kinetic."

Ἔτι πρὸς τοὺς Κυρηναϊκούς· οἱ μὲν γὰρ χείρους τὰς σωματικὰς ἀλγηδόνας τῶν ψυχικῶν4, κολάζεσθαι γοῦν τοὺς ἁμαρτάνοντας σώματι· ὁ δὲ τὰς ψυχικάς. τὴν γοῦν σάρκα τὸ παρὸν μόνον χειμάζειν, τὴν δὲ ψυχὴν καὶ τὸ παρελθὸν καὶ τὸ παρὸν καὶ τὸ μέλλον. οὕτως οὖν καὶ μείζονας ἡδονὰς εἶναι τὰς τῆς ψυχῆς. ἀποδείξει δὲ χρῆται τοῦ τέλος εἶναι τὴν ἡδονὴν τῷ τὰ ζῷα ἅμα τῷ γεννηθῆναι τῇ μὲν εὐαρεστεῖσθαι, τῷ δὲ πόνῳ προσκρούειν φυσικῶς καὶ χωρὶς λόγου. αὐτοπαθῶς οὖν φεύγομεν τὴν ἀλγηδόνα· ἵνα καὶ ὁ Ἡρακλῆς καταβιβρωσκόμενος ὑπὸ τοῦ χιτῶνος βοᾷ "δάκνων ἰύζων· ἀμφὶ δʼ ἔστενον πέτραι Λοκρῶν τʼ ὄρειοι πρῶνες Εὐβοίας τʼ ἄκραι."

​Furthermore, against the Cyrenaics: for they hold that bodily pains are worse than mental pains—at any rate, those who transgress are punished in the body—whereas he holds that mental pains are worse; for the flesh is stormy only in the present, but the soul in the past, the present, and the future. In this way, then, the pleasures of the soul are also greater. And he uses as a proof that pleasure is the end the fact that living creatures, as soon as they are born, are well pleased with it, but recoil from pain naturally and apart from reason. We avoid pain, therefore, by direct feeling; so that even Heracles, consumed by the robe, cries out: "bites and shrieks aloud, and around him groaned the rocks, the mountain ridges of the Locrians, and the promontories of Euboea."

Syntax notes4 items
  1. 10.1.133Ἐπεὶ τίνα νομίζεις εἶναι κρείττονα τοῦ καὶ περὶ θεῶν ὅσια δοξάζοντος...

    Governed by the initial rhetorical question Ἐπεὶ τίνα νομίζεις εἶναι κρείττονα ("For whom do you consider better than..."), a long series of participles in the genitive of comparison dependent on τοῦ (δοξάζοντος, ἔχοντος, ἐπιλελογισμένου, διαλαμβάνοντος, διαγελῶντος, ὑπολαμβάνοντος in §134, and νομίζοντος in §135) extend through §135. Subordinate clauses and parenthetical reflections are nested within this extended participial chain.

  2. 10.1.134ἐπεὶ κρεῖττον ἦν

    The imperfect indicative ἦν without ἄν is used with an expression of propriety or fitness (κρεῖττον) to denote an unfulfilled past or counterfactual situation ("it would have been / were better to...").

  3. 10.1.135μαντικὴ οὖσα ἀνύπαρκτος, εἰ δὲ καὶ ὑπαρκτή, οὐδὲν πρὸς ἡμᾶς ἡγητέα γινόμενα

    The syntax of this quoted aphorism is highly elliptical: the opening μαντικὴ οὖσα ἀνύπαρκτος functions as a loose or absolute participial clause ("divination being non-existent"), while the main clause features the neuter plural verbal adjective ἡγητέα construed with γινόμενα ("events that happen are to be regarded as nothing to us").

  4. 10.1.137οἱ μὲν γὰρ χείρους τὰς σωματικὰς ἀλγηδόνας τῶν ψυχικῶν

    A verb of judging or regarding (such as νομίζουσι or ἡγοῦνται) is elided between the subject clause and the accusative object τὰς σωματικὰς ἀλγηδόνας with its predicate adjective χείρους. The subsequent antithesis ὁ δὲ τὰς ψυχικάς likewise elides [χείρους νομίζει].

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