Diogenes Laertius

Lives and Opinions of Eminent Philosophers

§1.1.40-1.1.44

Traditions on the Seven Sages and Letters of Thales

After mentioning the maxim “Know thyself” attributed to Thales, the passage surveys various traditions concerning the character, meeting places, and roster of the Seven Sages, concluding with two attributed letters from Thales to Pherecydes and Solon.

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Τούτου ἐστὶν τὸ Γνῶθι σαυτόν, ὅπερ Ἀντισθένης ἐν ταῖς Διαδοχαῖς Φημονόης εἶναί φησιν, ἐξιδιοποιήσασθαι δὲ αὐτὸ Χίλωνα. Περὶ δὴ τῶν ἑπτάἄξιον γὰρ ἐνταῦθα καθολικῶς κἀκείνων ἐπιμνησθῆναιλόγοι φέρονται τοιοῦτοι. Δάμων Κυρηναῖος, γεγραφὼς Περὶ τῶν φιλοσόφων, πᾶσιν ἐγκαλεῖ, μάλιστα δὲ τοῖς ἑπτά. Ἀναξιμένης δέ φησι πάντας ἐπιθέσθαι ποιητικῇ· δὲ Δικαίαρχος οὔτε σοφοὺς οὔτε φιλοσόφους φησὶν αὐτοὺς γεγονέναι, συνετοὺς δέ τινας καὶ νομοθετικούς. Ἀρχέτιμος δὲ Συρακούσιος ὁμιλίαν αὐτῶν ἀναγέγραφε παρὰ Κυψέλῳ, καὶ αὐτός φησι παρατυχεῖν· Ἔφορος δὲ παρὰ Κροίσῳ πλὴν Θαλοῦ. φασὶ δέ τινες καὶ ἐν Πανιωνίῳ καὶ ἐν Κορίνθῳ καὶ ἐν Δελφοῖς συνελθεῖν αὐτούς.

​To him belongs the saying “Know thyself,” though Antisthenes in his Successions of Philosophers says that it belongs to Phemonoe, and that Chilon appropriated it as his own. Now concerning the Seven—for it is fitting here to make general mention of them all—the following accounts are given. Damon of Cyrene, who wrote On the Philosophers, blames them all, but especially the Seven. Anaximenes says that they all applied themselves to poetry. Dicaearchus, however, says that they were neither wise men nor philosophers, but certain intelligent men and legislators. Archetimus of Syracuse has recorded a gathering of theirs at the court of Cypselus, at which he says he was himself present; and Ephorus records one at the court of Croesus, with the exception of Thales. Some say that they also met at Panionium, at Corinth, and at Delphi.

διαφωνοῦνται δὲ καὶ αἱ ἀποφάσεις αὐτῶν καὶ ἄλλου ἄλλο φασίν, ὡς ἐκεῖνο· "ἦν Λακεδαιμόνιος Χίλων σοφός, ὃς τάδʼ ἔλεξε· μηδὲν ἄγαν· καιρῷ πάντα πρόσεστι καλά." στασιάζεται δὲ καὶ περὶ τοῦ ἀριθμοῦ αὐτῶν. Μαιάνδριος μὲν γὰρ ἀντὶ Κλεοβούλου καὶ Μύσωνος Λεώφαντον Γοργιάδα, Λεβέδιον Ἐφέσιον, ἐγκρίνει καὶ Ἐπιμενίδην τὸν Κρῆτα· Πλάτων δὲ ἐν Πρωταγόρᾳ Μύσωνα ἀντὶ Περιάνδρου· Ἔφορος δὲ ἀντὶ Μύσωνος Ἀνάχαρσιν· οἱ δὲ καὶ Πυθαγόραν προσγράφουσιν. Δικαίαρχος δὲ τέσσαρας ὡμολογημένους ἡμῖν παραδίδωσι, Θαλῆν, Βίαντα, Πιττακόν, Σόλωνα. ἄλλους δὲ ὀνομάζει ἕξ, ὧν ἐκλέξασθαι τρεῖς1, Ἀριστόδημον, Πάμφυλον, Χίλωνα Λακεδαιμόνιον, Κλεόβουλον, Ἀνάχαρσιν, Περίανδρον. ἔνιοι προστιθέασιν Ἀκουσίλαον Κάβα Σκάβρα Ἀργεῖον.

​Their apophthegms are also disputed, and different people attribute different sayings to different men, as for instance the following: “Chilon was a wise Lacedaemonian, who spoke these words: Nothing in excess; at the opportune moment all good things attend.” There is also a dispute concerning their number. For Maeandrius, instead of Cleobulus and Myson, includes Leophantus son of Gorgiadas, a Lebedian or Ephesian, and Epimenides the Cretan; Plato, in the Protagoras, includes Myson instead of Periander; Ephorus, instead of Myson, Anacharsis; and others add Pythagoras. Dicaearchus hands down four who are agreed upon by us: Thales, Bias, Pittacus, Solon. And he names six others, of whom three are to be selected: Aristodemus, Pamphylus, Chilon the Lacedaemonian, Cleobulus, Anacharsis, Periander. Some add Acusilaus son of Cabas or Scabras, of Argos.

Ἕρμιππος δʼ ἐν τῷ Περὶ τῶν σοφῶν ἑπτακαίδεκά φησιν, ὧν τοὺς ἑπτὰ ἄλλους ἄλλως αἱρεῖσθαι· εἶναι δὲ Σόλωνα, Θαλῆν, Πιττακόν, Βίαντα, Χίλωνα, 〈Μύσωνα〉, Κλεόβουλον, Περίανδρον, Ἀνάχαρσιν, Ἀκουσίλαον, Ἐπιμενίδην, Λεώφαντον, Φερεκύδην, Ἀριστόδημον, Πυθαγόραν, Λᾶσον Χαρμαντίδου Σισυμβρίνου, ὡς Ἀριστόξενος Χαβρίνου, Ἑρμιονέα, Ἀναξαγόραν. Ἱππόβοτος δὲ ἐν τῇ Τῶν φιλοσόφων ἀναγραφῇ· Ὀρφέα, Λίνον, Σόλωνα, Περίανδρον, Ἀνάχαρσιν, Κλεόβουλον, Μύσωνα, Θαλῆν Βίαντα, Πιττακόν, Ἐπίχαρμον, Πυθαγόραν. Φέρονται δὲ καὶ τοῦ Θαλοῦ ἐπιστολαὶ αἵδε·

​Hermippus, in his work On the Sages, says there are seventeen, from whom different authors choose different sets of seven: namely, Solon, Thales, Pittacus, Bias, Chilon, 〈Myson〉, Cleobulus, Periander, Anacharsis, Acusilaus, Epimenides, Leophantus, Pherecydes, Aristodemus, Pythagoras, Lasus son of Charmantides or Sisymbrinus (or, as Aristoxenus says, of Chabrinus), of Hermione, and Anaxagoras. Hippobotus, in his List of Philosophers, records: Orpheus, Linus, Solon, Periander, Anacharsis, Cleobulus, Myson, Thales, Bias, Pittacus, Epicharmus, Pythagoras. The following letters of Thales are also preserved:

Θαλῆς ΦερεκύδειΠυνθάνομαί σε πρῶτον Ἰώνων μέλλειν λόγους ἀμφὶ τῶν θείων χρημάτων ἐς τοὺς Ἕλληνας φαίνειν. καὶ τάχα μὲν γνώμη τοι δικαίη ἐς τὸ ξυνὸν καταθέσθαι γραφὴν ἐφʼ ὁποιοισοῦν ἐπιτρέπειν χρῆμα ἐς οὐδὲν ὄφελος. εἰ δή τοι ἥδιον, ἐθέλω γενέσθαι λεσχηνευτὴς περὶ ὁτέων γράφεις· καὶ ἢν κελεύῃς, παρὰ σὲ ἀφίξομαι ἐς Σῦρον. γὰρ ἂν οὐ φρενήρεες εἴημεν2 ἐγώ τε καὶ Σόλων Ἀθηναῖος, εἰ πλώσαντες μὲν ἐς Κρήτην κατὰ τὴν τῶν κεῖθι ἱστορίην, πλώσαντες δὲ ἐς Αἴγυπτον ὁμιλήσοντες τοῖς ἐκεῖ ὅσοι ἱερέες τε καὶ ἀστρολόγοι, παρὰ σὲ δὲ μὴ [πλώσαιμεν]. ἥξει γὰρ καὶ Σόλων, ἢν ἐπιτρέπῃς.

​Thales to Pherecydes “I learn that you are the first of the Ionians intending to publish discourses concerning divine matters for the Greeks. And perhaps your judgment is right in making your writing a common possession, rather than committing the matter to whoever it may be to no purpose. If then it is more agreeable to you, I wish to become an interlocutor concerning what you write; and if you bid me, I will come to Syros to visit you. For truly, Solon the Athenian and I would not be in our right minds if, having sailed to Crete to make inquiries there, and having sailed to Egypt to converse with those who are priests and astronomers there, we should not sail to visit you. For Solon too will come, if you permit.

σὺ μέντοι χωροφιλέων ὀλίγα φοιτέεις ἐς Ἰωνίην, οὐδέ σε ποθὴ ἴσχει ἀνδρῶν ξείνων· ἀλλά, ὡς ἔλπομαι, ἑνὶ μούνῳ χρήματι πρόσκεαι τῇ γραφῇ. ἡμέες δὲ οἱ μηδὲν γράφοντες περιχωρέομεν τήν τε Ἑλλάδα καὶ Ἀσίην. Θαλῆς ΣόλωνιὙπαποστὰς ἐξ Ἀθηνέων δοκέεις ἄν μοι ἁρμοδιώτατα ἐν Μιλήτῳ οἶκον ποιέεσθαι3 παρὰ τοῖς ἀποίκοις ὑμέων· καὶ γὰρ ἐνθαῦτά τοι δεινὸν οὐδέν. εἰ δὲ ἀσχαλήσεις ὅτι καὶ Μιλήσιοι τυραννεόμεθα-ἐχθαίρεις γὰρ πάντας αἰσυμνήταςἀλλὰ τέρποιʼ ἂν σὺν τοῖς ἑτάροις ἡμῖν καταβιούς. ἐπέστειλε δέ τοι καὶ Βίης ἥκειν ἐς Πριήνην· σὺ δὲ εἰ προσηνέστερόν τοι τὸ Πριηνέων ἄστυ, κεῖθι οἰκέειν, καὶ αὐτοὶ παρὰ σὲ οἰκήσομεν.

​You, however, out of love for your own country, rarely travel to Ionia, nor does any longing for foreign men possess you; but, as I expect, you apply yourself to one thing alone, your writing. We, on the other hand, who write nothing, wander throughout Greece and Asia.” Thales to Solon “It seems to me that after withdrawing from Athens you would most suitably establish a home in Miletus among your own colonists; for there is nothing to fear for you here either. Even if you will be grieved that we Milesians are also ruled by a tyrant—for you hate all absolute rulers—yet you would find pleasure living together with us, your companions. Bias has also sent you word to come to Priene; but if the city of the Prienians is more agreeable to you, live there, and we ourselves will come and live near you.”

Syntax notes3 items
  1. 1.1.41ὧν ἐκλέξασθαι τρεῖς

    The infinitive ἐκλέξασθαι, introduced by the partitive genitive relative pronoun ὧν, functions as an extension of indirect discourse or as an infinitive denoting necessity or purpose ("from whom three are to be chosen").

  2. 1.1.43ἦ γὰρ ἂν οὐ φρενήρεες εἴημεν

    The potential/unreal apodosis with ἄν and the optative (ἦ γὰρ ἂν... εἴημεν) corresponds to the protasis introduced by εἰ (with the participles πλώσαντες and the elided/bracketed optative verb), signifying "for we would truly not be in our right minds if [we did not sail to you]."

  3. 1.1.44δοκέεις ἄν μοι ... ποιέεσθαι

    Personal construction (δοκέεις ἄν μοι) used instead of the impersonal δοκεῖ μοι ἄν σε..., where the particle ἄν accompanies the infinitive ποιέεσθαι to express a potential or polite recommendation ("it seems to me that you would most suitably make a home").

Model: gemini-3.8-flashurn:cts:greekLit:tlg0004.tlg001.humanitext-grc2:1.1.40-1.1.44