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- Seneca, Lucius Annaeus. Ad Lucilium Epistulae Morales, Vol 1-3. Gummere, Richard Mott, editor. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press; London: William Heinemann, Ltd., 1917-1925.
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- Humanitext Reader · reader.humanitext.ai · 2026-11-04
Explains Plato's fourth to sixth modes of existence (eidos, common existence, and quasi-existence) and the flux of the sensory world. It derives a moral lesson from the Platonic theory of ideas, urging us to avoid attachment to the material world and focus on the eternal and divine providence.
Quartum locum habebit idos. Quid sit hoc idos, attendas oportet et Platoni inputes, non mihi, hanc rerum difficultatem. Nulla est autem sine difficultate subtilitas. Paulo ante pictoris imagine utebar. Ille cum reddere Vergilium coloribus vellet, ipsum intuebatur. Idea erat Vergilii facies, futuri operis exemplar. Ex hac quod artifex trahit et operi suo inposuit, idos est.
Idos will hold the fourth place. What this idos is, you must pay attention, and attribute to Plato, not to me, this difficulty of things. Yet there is no subtlety without difficulty. A little before, I was using the image of a painter. When he wished to reproduce Vergil in colors, he gazed at him. The idea was the face of Vergil, the exemplar of the future work. What the artist draws from this and has imposed on his work is the idos.
Quid intersit, quaeris? Alterum exemplar est, alterum forma ab exemplari sumpta et operi inposita. Alteram artifex imitatur, alteram facit.1 Habet aliquam faciem statua; haec est idos. Habet aliquam faciem exemplar ipsum, quod intuens opifex statuam figuravit; haec idea est. Etiamnunc si aliam desideras distinctionem, idos in opere est, idea extra opus nec tantum extra opus est, sed ante opus.
What is the difference, you ask? The one is the exemplar, the other the form taken from the exemplar and imposed on the work. The one the artist imitates, the other he makes. The statue has a certain appearance; this is the idos. The exemplar itself has a certain appearance, gazing at which the craftsman shaped the statue; this is the idea. Furthermore, if you desire another distinction, the idos is in the work, the idea is outside the work, and not only outside the work, but before the work.
Quintum genus est eorum, quae communiter sunt; haec incipiunt ad nos pertinere; hic sunt omnia, homines, pecora, res. Sextum genus eorum, quae quasi sunt: tamquam inane, tamquam tempus. Quaecumque videmus aut tangimus, Plato in illis non numerat, quae esse proprie putat. Fluunt enim et in assidua deminutione atque adiectione sunt. Nemo nostrum idem est in senectute, qui fuit iuvenis; nemo nostrum est idem mane, qui fuit pridie. Corpora nostra rapiuntur fluminum more. Quicquid vides, currit cum tempore. Nihil ex iis, quae videmus, manet. Ego ipse, dum loquor mutari ista, mutatus sum.
The fifth genus is of those things which exist commonly; these begin to pertain to us; here are all things, men, cattle, things. The sixth genus is of those things which exist as it were: such as void, such as time. Whatever we see or touch, Plato does not number among those things which he thinks properly exist. For they flow and are in constant decrease and increase. None of us is the same in old age as he was when a young man; none of us is the same in the morning as he was the day before. Our bodies are swept away in the manner of rivers. Whatever you see runs with time. Nothing of those things which we see remains. I myself, while I speak of these things being changed, have been changed.
Hoc est, quod ait Heraclitus: "In idem flumen bis descendimus et non descendimus." Manet enim idem fluminis nomen, aqua transmissa est. Hoc in amne manifestius est quam in homine. Sed nos quoque non minus velox cursus praetervehit, et ideo admiror dementiam nostram, quod tantopere amamus rem fugacissimam, corpus, timemusque, ne quando moriamur, cum omne momentum mors prioris habitus sit. Vis tu non timere, ne semel fiat, quod cotidie fit!2
This is what Heraclitus says: “We descend and do not descend into the same river twice.” For the same name of the river remains, but the water has passed on. This is more manifest in a river than in a man. But a no less rapid course carries us away too, and therefore I wonder at our madness, that we love so greatly a most fleeting thing, the body, and fear lest we should die at some time, since every moment is the death of the prior state. Do you not wish not to fear lest that happen once which happens daily!
De homine dixi, fluvida materia et caduca et omnibus obnoxia causis; mundus quoque, aeterna res et invicta, mutatur nec idem manet. Quamvis enim omnia in se habeat, quae habuit, aliter habet quam habuit;
I have spoken of man, a fluid and falling matter and liable to all causes; the universe also, an eternal and invincible thing, is changed and does not remain the same. For although it has in itself all things which it had, it has them otherwise than it had them;
ordinem mutat. "Quid ista," inquis, "mihi subtilitas proderit?" Si me interrogas, nihil. Sed quemadmodum ille caelator oculos diu intentos ac fatigatos remittit atque avocat et, ut dici solet, pascit; sic nos animum aliquando debemus relaxare et quibusdam oblectamentis reficere. Sed ipsa oblectamenta opera sint. Ex his quoque, si observaveris, sumes, quod possit fieri salutare.
it changes its order. “What will that subtlety profit me?” you say. If you ask me, nothing. But just as that engraver relaxes and turns away his eyes, long intent and fatigued, and, as is commonly said, feeds them; so we ought sometimes to relax our mind and refresh it with certain amusements. But let the amusements themselves be works. From these too, if you observe, you will take what can become salutary.
Hoc ego, Lucili, facere soleo: ex omni notione, etiam si a philosophia longissime aversa est, eruere aliquid conor et utile efficere. Quid istis, quae modo tractavimus, remotius a reformatione morum? Quomodo meliorem me facere ideae Platonicae possunt? Quid ex istis traham, quod cupiditates meas conprimat? Vel hoc ipsum, quod omnia ista, quae sensibus serviunt, quae nos accendunt et inritant, negat Plato ex his esse, quae vere sint.
This I, Lucilius, am accustomed to do: from every notion, even if it is very far removed from philosophy, I endeavor to extract something and make it useful. What is more remote from the reform of morals than those things which we have just treated? How can Platonic ideas make me better? What shall I draw from them that may suppress my desires? Or rather this very thing, that all those things which serve the senses, which inflame and irritate us, Plato denies to be among those things which truly exist.
Ergo ista imaginaria sunt et ad tempus aliquam faciem ferunt, nihil horum stabile nec solidum est; et nos tamen cupimus, tamquam aut semper futura aut semper habituri. Inbecilli fluvidique inter vana constitimus; ad illa mittamus animum, quae aeterna sunt. Miremur in sublimi volitantes rerum omnium formas deumque inter illa versantem et hoc providentem, quemadmodum quae inmortalia facere non potuit, quia materia prohibebat, defendat3 a morte ac ratione vitium corporis vincat.
Therefore, these are imaginary and bear some appearance for a time; none of these is stable or solid; and yet we desire them, as if they will either exist forever or we shall possess them forever. Weak and fluid we stand among vain things; let us send our mind to those things which are eternal. Let us look with wonder at the forms of all things flying in the heights, and at God moving among them and providing for this, how he may defend from death those things which he could not make immortal because matter prevented, and by reason overcome the defect of the body.
- 58.21Alteram artifex imitatur, alteram facit.
The pronouns 'alteram... alteram' (feminine accusative singular) conceptually refer to 'idea' (or 'facies') and 'forma', although the neuter noun 'exemplar' was used in the preceding sentence. They contrast the object of imitation (idea) with the product of creation (forma).
- 58.23Vis tu non timere, ne semel fiat, quod cotidie fit!
The construction 'Vis tu non...?' (literally 'do you not wish...?') functions as a strong exhortation or urging ('should you not...?'). The clause 'ne semel fiat, quod cotidie fit' is a substantive clause introduced by 'ne' after a verb of fearing ('timere'), meaning 'lest that which happens daily happen once.'
- 58.27deumque inter illa versantem et hoc providentem, quemadmodum quae inmortalia facere non potuit, quia materia prohibebat, defendat
The demonstrative pronoun 'hoc' (direct object of 'providentem') anticipates the following indirect question clause 'quemadmodum... defendat' (prolepsis). The relative pronoun 'quae' (neuter plural accusative) has an omitted antecedent (created, material things) and serves as the direct object of 'defendat'.
