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Moral Letters to Lucilius

§108.10-108.19

The Power of Poetry and Habits of Moderation from Attalus

Seneca cites Cleanthes to show how poetry powerfully conveys philosophical thoughts, and recalls his teacher Attalus's lectures, which inspired him to adopt lifelong habits of moderation. He also introduces the vegetarian doctrines of Pythagoras and Sextius.

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§108.10

​Nam," ut dicebat Cleanthes, "quemadmodum spiritus noster clariorem sonum reddit, cum illum tuba per longi canalis angustias tractum patentiore novissime exitu effudit, sic sensus nostros clariores carminis arta necessitas efficit." Eadem neglegentius audiuntur minusque percutiunt, quamdiu soluta oratione dicuntur; ubi accessere numeri et egregium sensum adstrinxere certi pedes, eadem illa sententia velut lacerto excussiore1 torquetur.

’For,’ as Cleanthes used to say, ‘just as our breath produces a clearer sound when a trumpet has poured it out, drawn through the narrow spaces of a long pipe and finally through a wider opening, so the tight necessity of song makes our senses clearer.’ Those same things are heard more negligently and strike less as long as they are spoken in prose; but when meters have approached and certain feet have bound a choice sense, that same opinion is hurled as if from a more vigorously swung arm.

§108.11

​De contemptu pecuniae multa dicuntur et longissimis orationibus hoc praecipitur, ut homines in animo, non in patrimonio putent esse divitias, eum esse locupletem, qui paupertati suae aptatus est et parvo se divitem fecit; magis tamen feriuntur animi, cum carmina eiusmodi dicta sunt:" Is minimo eget mortalis, qui minimum cupit. Quod vult habet, qui velle quod satis est potest. " ​Cum haec atque eiusmodi audimus, ad confessionem veritatis adducimur. Illi enim, quibus nihil satis est, admirantur, adclamant, odium pecuniae indicunt. Hunc illorum adfectum cum videris, urge, hoc preme, hoc onera relictis ambiguitatibus et syllogismis et cavillationibus et ceteris acuminis inriti ludicris. Dic in avaritiam, dic in luxuriam; cum profecisse te videris et animos audientium adfeceris, insta vehementius; veri simile non^est,2 quantum proficiat talis oratio remedio intenta et tota in bonum audientium versa. Facillime enim tenera conciliantur ingenia ad honesti rectique amorem et adhuc docibilibus leviterque corruptis inicit manum veritas, si advocatum idoneum nancta est.

​Many things are said about the contempt of money, and in the longest speeches this is prescribed: that men should think riches to be in the mind, not in the patrimony, and that he is wealthy who has fitted himself to his poverty and made himself rich with a little; yet minds are struck more when verses of this kind are spoken: ‘ That mortal needs the least who desires the least. He has what he wishes who can wish for what is enough. ‘ ​When we hear these and suchlike things, we are led to the confession of truth. For those for whom nothing is enough admire, applaud, and declare hatred of money. When you see this affection of theirs, press them, drive this home, weigh them down with this, leaving behind ambiguities, syllogisms, sophistries, and the other playthings of useless sharpness. Speak against avarice, speak against luxury; when you see that you have made progress and have affected the minds of the hearers, press on more vehemently; it is beyond belief how much such a speech profits, intent on a cure and turned entirely to the good of the hearers. For tender minds are very easily won over to the love of the honorable and right, and truth lays its hand upon those who are still teachable and only lightly corrupted, if it has found a suitable advocate.

§108.13

​Ego certe cum Attalum audirem in vitia, in errores, in mala vitae perorantem, saepe miseritus sum generis humani et illum sublimem altioremque humano fastigio credidi. Ipse regem se esse dicebat, sed plus quam regnare mihi videbatur, cui liceret censuram agere regnantium.

​I certainly, when I heard Attalus declaiming against vices, against errors, against the evils of life, often pitied the human race and believed him sublime and higher than the human limit. He himself used to say that he was a king, but he seemed to me to be more than reigning, to whom it was permitted to act as the censor of those who reign.

§108.14

​Cum vero commendare paupertatem coeperat et ostendere, quam quidquid usum excederet, pondus esset supervacuum et grave ferenti, saepe exire e schola pauperi libuit. Cum coeperat voluptates nostras traducere, laudare castum corpus, sobriam mensam, puram mentem non tantum ab inlicitis voluptatibus, sed etiam supervacuis, libebat circumscribere gulam ac ventrem.

​But when he had begun to recommend poverty and to show how whatever exceeded use was a superfluous and heavy weight to the one carrying it, often I felt like leaving the school a poor man. When he had begun to expose our pleasures, to praise a chaste body, a sober table, a mind pure not only from illicit pleasures but also from superfluous ones, I felt like restricting my throat and belly.

§108.15

​Inde mihi quaedam permansere, Lucili. Magno enim in omnia inceptu veneram. Deinde ad civitatis vitam reductus ex bene coeptis pauca servavi. Inde ostreis boletisque in omnem vitam renuntiatum est; nec enim cibi, sed oblectamenta sunt ad edendum saturos cogentia, quod gratissimum est edacibus et se ultra quam capiunt farcientibus, facile descensura, facile reditura.3

​Hence some things have remained with me, Lucilius. For I had come with a great undertaking into all things. Then, brought back to the life of the city, I kept few of the things well begun. Hence oysters and mushrooms were renounced for my whole life; for they are not foods, but delicacies forcing those who are full to eat, which is most pleasing to gluttons and those stuffing themselves beyond what they can contain, things easy to go down, easy to come back up.

§108.16

​Inde in omnem vitam unguento abstinemus, quoniam optimus odor in corpore est nullus. Inde vino carens stomachus. Inde in omnem vitam balneum fugimus, decoquere corpus atque exinanire sudoribus inutile simul delicatumque credidimus. Cetera proiecta redierunt, ita tamen, ut quorum abstinentiam interrupi,4 modum servem et quidem abstinentiae proximiorem, nescio an difficiliorem, quoniam quaedam absciduntur facilius animo quam temperantur.

​Hence for my whole life we abstain from ointment, since the best odor on the body is none. Hence a stomach lacking wine. Hence for my whole life we flee the bath, we believed that to boil down the body and empty it with sweats was both useless and luxurious. Other things thrown away returned, yet in such way that, of those things whose abstinence I interrupted, I keep a limit, and indeed one closer to abstinence, and I know not whether more difficult, since some things are cut off more easily by the mind than tempered.

§108.17

​Quoniam coepi tibi exponere, quanto maiore impetu ad philosophiam iuvenis accesserim quam senex pergam, non pudebit fateri, quem mihi amorem Pythagoras iniecerit. Sotion dicebat, quare ille animalibus abstinuisset, quare postea Sextius. Dissimilis utrique causa erat, sed utrique magnifica.

​Since I began to explain to you with how much greater impetus I approached philosophy as a youth than I proceed as an old man, it will not shame me to confess what love Pythagoras inspired in me. Sotion used to tell why he had abstained from animals, and why afterwards Sextius had. The cause for each was different, but for each magnificent.

§108.18

​Hic homini satis alimentorum citra sanguinem esse credebat et crudelitatis consuetudinem fieri, ubi in voluptatem esset adducta laceratio. Adiciebat contrahendam materiam esse luxuriae; colligebat bonae valitudini contraria esse alimenta varia et nostris aliena corporibus.

​This man believed that for man there was enough nourishment without blood, and that a habit of cruelty was formed where slaughter was brought into pleasure. He added that the material of luxury should be contracted; he gathered that varied nourishments, alien to our bodies, were contrary to good health.

§108.19

​At Pythagoras omnium inter omnia cognationem esse dicebat et animorum commercium in alias atque alias formas transeuntium. Nulla, si illi credas, anima interit, ne cessat quidem nisi tempore exiguo, dum in aliud corpus transfunditur. videbimus, per quas temporum vices et quando pererratis pluribus domiciliis in hominem revertatur; interim sceleris hominibus ac parricidii metum fecit, cum possent in parentis animam,inscii incurrere et ferro morsuve violare, si in quo cognatus aliqui spiritus hospitaretur.

​But Pythagoras used to say that there was a kinship of all things among all things, and an intercourse of minds passing into other and other forms. No soul, if you believe him, perishes, nor does it even cease except for a very short time while it is being poured into another body. We shall see through what vicissitudes of times and when, after wandering through several dwellings, it returns to man; in the meantime he created in men a fear of crime and parricide, since they might unknowingly run into a parent’s soul and violate it with iron or bite, if in any body some kindred spirit were lodging.

Syntax notes4 items
  1. 108.10lacerto excussiore

    'by a more vigorously swung arm.' The adjective excussiore is a comparative derived from the perfect passive participle of excutere (to stretch out the arm, to hurl). It refers to the motion of extending the arm fully to throw a spear or stone with maximum force, illustrating how a thought is forcefully propelled by meter.

  2. 108.12veri simile non est

    Literally 'it is not like the truth,' but here functioning as an idiomatic intensive expression meaning 'it is beyond belief' or 'it is unbelievable.' The subject of this phrase is the indirect question clause quantum proficiat....

  3. 108.15facile descensura, facile reditura

    Future active participles in the neuter plural nominative, modifying either ostreis boletisque (implied as food items) or oblectamenta (delicacies, neuter plural). They express an imminent attribute or tendency: 'things destined to go down easily and come back up easily.'

  4. 108.16quorum abstinentiam interrupi

    The antecedent of the relative pronoun quorum (genitive neuter plural) is cetera (other habits, neuter plural) in the preceding sentence. It forms the relative clause: 'of those things whose abstinence I interrupted...'

Translated by Gemini 3.5 Flash (published 2026-05-25)urn:cts:latinLit:phi1017.phi015.humanitext-lat2:108.10-108.19