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§7.3.1-7.3.3

The Land of the Getae and Customs of the Mysians

The author describes the land of the Getae adjacent to southern Germany beyond the Albis, dismissing ancient myths and Pytheas's falsehoods. He then explains the shared Thracian origins of the Getae, Mysians, and Moesians, referencing Poseidonius's interpretation of Homeric verses, and details their pious, ascetic, and celibate customs.

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§7.3.1

τὸ δὲ νότιον μέρος τῆς Γερμανίας τὸ πέραν τοῦ Ἄλβιος τὸ μὲν συνεχὲς ἀκμὴν ὑπὸ τῶν Σοήβων κατέχεται· εἶτʼ εὐθὺς ἡ τῶν Γετῶν συνάπτει γῆ, κατʼ ἀρχὰς μὲν στενή, παρατεταμένη τῷ Ἴστρῳ κατὰ τὸ νότιον μέρος, κατὰ δὲ τοὐναντίον τῇ παρωρείᾳ τοῦ Ἑρκυνίου δρυμοῦ, μέρος τι τῶν ὀρῶν καὶ αὐτὴ κατέχουσα, εἶτα πλατύνεται πρὸς τὰς ἄρκτους μέχρι Τυρεγετῶν· τοὺς δὲ ἀκριβεῖς ὅρους οὐκ ἔχομεν φράζειν. διὰ δὲ τὴν ἄγνοιαν τῶν τόπων τούτων οἱ τὰ Ῥιπαῖα ὄρη καὶ τοὺς Ὑπερβορείους μυθοποιοῦντες λόγου ἠξίωνται, καὶ ἃ Πυθέας ὁ Μασσαλιώτης κατεψεύσατο ταῦτα τῆς παρωκεανίτιδος, προσχήματι χρώμενος τῇ περὶ τὰ οὐράνια καὶ τὰ μαθηματικὰ ἱστορίᾳ. ἐκεῖνοι μὲν οὖν ἐάσθωσαν· οὐδὲ γὰρ εἴ τινα Σοφοκλῆς τραγῳδεῖ περὶ τῆς Ὠρειθυίας λέγων ὡς ἀναρπαγεῖσα ὑπὸ Βορέου κομισθείη "ὑπέρ τε πόντον πάντʼ ἐπʼ ἔσχατα χθονὸς νυκτός τε πηγὰς οὐρανοῦ τʼ ἀναπτυχάς, Φοίβου παλαιὸν κῆπον," οὐδὲν ἂν εἴη1 πρὸς τὰ νῦν, ἀλλʼ ἐατέον, ὥσπερ καὶ ἐν τῷ Φαίδρῳ ὁ Σωκράτης. ἃ δὲ ἔκ τε τῆς παλαιᾶς ἱστορίας καὶ τῆς νῦν παρειλήφαμεν, ταῦτα λέγωμεν.

​As for the southern part of Germany beyond the Albis, the part contiguous to it is still occupied by the Suevi. Then immediately the land of the Getae borders on it, at first narrow, stretching along the Ister on its southern part, and on the opposite side along the mountain-range of the Hercynian Forest, itself also occupying a part of the mountains, and then it widens toward the north as far as the Tyregetae; but we are unable to state the precise boundaries. And because of the ignorance of these regions, those who mythologize about the Rhipaean Mountains and the Hyperboreans have been deemed worthy of credit, as also the falsehoods which Pytheas of Massalia told concerning the ocean-coast, using his investigation of celestial and mathematical matters as a pretext. So let those men be dismissed; for not even if Sophocles writes tragically about Oreithyia, saying that having been carried off by Boreas she was borne “over the whole sea to the ends of the earth, and to the sources of night and the unfoldings of heaven, the ancient garden of Phoebus,” would it be of any relevance to the present matters, but it must be dismissed, just as Socrates also does in the Phaedrus. But let us speak of those things which we have received from both ancient history and the present.

§7.3.2

οἱ τοίνυν Ἕλληνες τοὺς Γέτας Θρᾷκας ὑπελάμβανον· ᾤκουν δʼ ἐφʼ ἑκάτερα τοῦ Ἴστρου καὶ οὗτοι καὶ οἱ Μυσοὶ Θρᾷκες ὄντες καὶ αὐτοὶ καὶ οὓς νῦν Μοισοὺς καλοῦσιν, ἀφʼ ὧν ὡρμήθησαν καὶ οἱ νῦν μεταξὺ Λυδῶν καὶ Φρυγῶν καὶ Τρώων οἰκοῦντες Μυσοί. καὶ αὐτοὶ δʼ οἱ Φρύγες Βρίγες εἰσί, Θρᾴκιόν τι ἔθνος, καθάπερ καὶ Μυγδόνες καὶ Βέβρυκες καὶ Μαιδοβιθυνοὶ καὶ Βιθυνοὶ καὶ Θυνοὶ, δοκῶ δὲ καὶ τοὺς Μαριανδυνούς. οὗτοι μὲν οὖν τελέως ἐκλελοίπασι πάντες τὴν Εὐρώπην, οἱ δὲ Μυσοὶ συνέμειναν. καὶ Ὅμηρον δʼ ὀρθῶς εἰκάζειν μοι δοκεῖ Ποσειδώνιος τοὺς ἐν τῇ Εὐρώπῃ Μυσοὺς κατονομάζειν (λέγω δὲ τοὺς ἐν τῇ Θρᾴκῃ) ὅταν φῇ "αὐτὸς δὲ πάλιν τρέπεν ὄσσε φαεινώ, νόσφιν ἐφʼ ἱπποπόλων Θρῃκῶν καθορώμενος αἶαν Μυσῶν τʼ ἀγχεμάχων." ἐπεὶ εἴ γε τοὺς κατὰ τὴν Ἀσίαν Μυσοὺς δέχοιτό τις, ἀπηρτημένος ἂν εἴη ὁ λόγος. τὸ γὰρ ἀπὸ τῶν Τρώων τρέψαντα τὴν ὅρασιν ἐπὶ τὴν Θρᾳκῶν γῆν συγκαταλέγειν ταύτῃ τὴν τῶν Μυσῶν, τῶν οὐ νόσφιν ὄντων ἀλλʼ ὁμόρων τῇ Τρῳάδι καὶ ὄπισθεν αὐτῆς ἱδρυμένων καὶ ἑκατέρωθεν, διειργομένων δʼ ἀπὸ τῆς Θρᾴκης πλατεῖ Ἑλλησπόντῳ, συγχέοντος ἂν εἴη2 τὰς ἠπείρους καὶ ἅμα τῆς φράσεως οὐκ ἀκούοντος. τὸ γὰρ πάλιν τρέπεν μάλιστα μέν ἐστιν εἰς τοὐπίσω· ὁ δʼ ἀπὸ τῶν Τρώων μεταφέρων τὴν ὄψιν ἐπὶ τοὺς μὴ ὄπισθεν αὐτῶν ἢ ἐκ πλαγίων ὄντας προσωτέρω μὲν μεταφέρει, εἰς τοὐπίσω δʼ οὐ πάνυ. καὶ τὸ ἐπιφερόμενον δʼ αὐτοῦ τούτου μαρτύριον, ὅτι τοὺς ἱππημολγοὺς καὶ γαλακτοφάγους καὶ ἀβίους συνῆψεν αὐτοῖς, οἵπερ εἰσὶν οἱ ἁμάξοικοι Σκύθαι καὶ Σαρμάται. καὶ γὰρ νῦν ἀναμέμικται ταῦτα τὰ ἔθνη τοῖς Θρᾳξὶ καὶ τὰ Βασταρνικά, μᾶλλον μὲν τοῖς ἐκτὸς Ἴστρου, ἀλλὰ καὶ τοῖς ἐντός. τούτοις δὲ καὶ τὰ Κελτικά, οἵ τε Βόιοι καὶ Σκορδίσκοι καὶ Ταυρίσκοι. τοὺς δὲ Σκορδίσκους ἔνιοι Σκορδίστας καλοῦσι· καὶ τοὺς Ταυρίσκους δὲ Τευρίσκους καὶ Ταυρίστας φασί.

​The Greeks, then, considered the Getae to be Thracians; and they dwelt on both sides of the Ister, both these and the Mysians, who were themselves Thracians and whom they now call Moesians, from whom also set out the Mysians who now dwell between the Lydians, Phrygians, and Trojans. And the Phrygians themselves are Brigians, a Thracian tribe, just as are also the Mygdonians, Bebrycians, Medobithynians, Bithynians, and Thynians, and I think also the Mariandynians. These, then, have all completely abandoned Europe, but the Mysians remained. And Poseidonius seems to me to conjecture correctly that Homer names the Mysians in Europe (I mean those in Thrace) when he says: “But he turned back his shining eyes, looking away towards the land of the horse-tending Thracians and the close-fighting Mysians.” For if one were to understand the Mysians in Asia, the passage would be disconnected. For to turn one’s gaze away from the Trojans to the land of the Thracians, and to include with it that of the Mysians—who are not far off but border on the Troad and are situated behind it and on either side, and are separated from Thrace by the wide Hellespont—would be the act of one who confuses the continents and at the same time does not understand the phrasing. For “turned back” is especially “to the rear”; and he who shifts his sight from the Trojans to those who are not behind them or to their side shifts it further forward indeed, but not back at all. And what follows is also proof of this very thing, because he connected with them those who milk mares, feed on milk, and are Abii, who are indeed the wagon-dwelling Scythians and Sarmatians. For indeed even now these Thracian tribes are mixed with them, as well as the Bastarnic tribes, more so with those outside the Ister, but also with those inside. And with these also the Celtic tribes, the Boii, Scordisci, and Taurisci. And some call the Scordisci “Scordistae”; and they say that the Taurisci are also called “Teurisci” and “Tauristae”.

§7.3.3

λέγει δὲ τοὺς Μυσοὺς ὁ Ποσειδώνιος καὶ ἐμψύχων ἀπέχεσθαι κατʼ εὐσέβειαν, διὰ δὲ τοῦτο καὶ θρεμμάτων· μέλιτι δὲ χρῆσθαι καὶ γάλακτι καὶ τυρῷ ζῶντας καθʼ ἡσυχίαν, διὰ δὲ τοῦτο καλεῖσθαι θεοσεβεῖς τε καὶ καπνοβάτας· εἶναι δέ τινας τῶν Θρᾳκῶν οἳ χωρὶς γυναικὸς ζῶσιν, οὓς κτίστας καλεῖσθαι, ἀνιερῶσθαί τε διὰ τιμὴν καὶ μετὰ ἀδείας ζῆν· τούτους δὴ συλλήβδην ἅπαντας τὸν ποιητὴν εἰπεῖν ἀγαυοὺς ἱππημολγοὺς γλακτοφάγους ἀβίους τε, δικαιοτάτους ἀνθρώπους. ἀβίους δὲ προσαγορεύειν μάλιστα ὅτι χωρὶς γυναικῶν, ἡγούμενον ἡμιτελῆ τινα βίον τὸν χῆρον,3 καθάπερ καὶ τὸν οἶκον ἡμιτελῆ τὸν Πρωτεσιλάου διότι χῆρος· ἀγχεμάχους δὲ τοὺς Μυσούς, ὅτι ἀπόρθητοι, καθὰ οἱ ἀγαθοὶ πολεμισταί· δεῖν δὲ ἐν τῷ τρισκαιδεκάτῳ γράφειν ἀντὶ τοῦ Μυσῶν τʼ ἀγχεμάχων Μοισῶν τʼ ἀγχεμάχων.

​And Poseidonius says that the Mysians, out of piety, abstain from living things, and therefore also from domestic animals; and that they use honey, milk, and cheese, living in quiet, and for this reason they are called “god-fearing” and “kapnobatae”. And that there are some of the Thracians who live without women, who are called “ktistae”, and are consecrated out of honor and live in safety; and that the Poet collectively calls all of these “noble mare-milkers, milk-feeders, and Abii, most just of men.” And that he calls them “Abii” chiefly because they are without women, since he considers the life of a widower to be half-complete, just as he considers the house of Protesilaus to be “half-complete” because it was widowed. And that he calls the Mysians “close-fighting” because they are unconquered, just like good warriors; and that in the thirteenth book of the Iliad one should read, instead of “and of the close-fighting Mysians,” “and of the close-fighting Moesians.”

Syntax notes3 items
  1. 7.3.1οὐδὲ γὰρ εἴ τινα Σοφοκλῆς τραγῳδεῖ ... οὐδὲν ἂν εἴη

    A mixed conditional sentence where the protasis contains the indicative present τραγῳδεῖ, while the apodosis has ἂν εἴη (ἄν with the optative). This combination expresses a realistic assumption in the condition ("even if Sophocles actually sings so...") combined with a potential optative in the conclusion, representing a gentle assertion of irrelevance.

  2. 7.3.2συγχέοντος ἂν εἴη

    The construction of the genitive participle συγχέοντος followed by ἂν εἴη. This is a possessive genitive of characteristic, expressing what is typical of or belongs to a certain class of persons ("it would be the act/mark of someone who confuses...").

  3. 7.3.3ἀβίους δὲ προσαγορεύειν μάλιστα ὅτι χωρὶς γυναικῶν, ἡγούμενον ἡμιτελῆ τινα βίον τὸν χῆρον

    This continues the indirect discourse (accusative with infinitive) introduced by λέγει δὲ ... ὁ Ποσειδώνιος at the beginning of §7.3.3. The subject of the infinitive προσαγορεύειν is the Poet (τὸν ποιητήν), and the participle ἡγούμενον is in the accusative to agree with it, meaning "(the Poet) called them Abii ... because he considered (ἡγούμενον) the life of a widower to be half-complete."

Translated by Gemini 3.5 Flash (published 2026-05-25) · Revision history (1, latest 2026-09-21)
  • 2026-09-21 AI review — translation 1
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