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§14.5.24-14.5.26

Reexamination of Apollodorus's Critique of Ephorus

Strabo counters Apollodorus's review of Ephorus, pointing out geographical contradictions regarding the Chalybians and Cappadocians, questioning the definition of 'mixed peoples' and the tripartite division of Greek tribes, and dismissing the inclusion of the Galatians.

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§14.5.24

φαίνεται δʼ οὔτε τοῦ Ἐφόρου τὴν ἀπόφασιν διαιτῶν ἱκανῶς τά τε τοῦ ποιητοῦ ταράττων καὶ καταψευδόμενος.1 Ἐφόρου τε γὰρ τοῦτο πρῶτον ἀπαιτεῖν ἐχρῆν, τί δὴ τοὺς Χάλυβας τίθησιν ἐντὸς τῆς χερρονήσου τοσοῦτον ἀφεστῶτας καὶ Σινώπης καὶ Ἀμισοῦ πρὸς ἕω; οἱ γὰρ λέγοντες τὸν ἰσθμὸν τῆς χερρονήσου ταύτης τὴν ἀπὸ Ἰσσοῦ γραμμὴν ἐπὶ τὸν Εὔξεινον, ὡς ἂν μεσημβρινήν τινα τιθέασι ταύτην, [ἣν] οἱ μὲν εἶναι νομίζουσι τὴν ἐπὶ Σινώπης οἱ δὲ τὴν ἐπʼ Ἀμισοῦ, ἐπὶ δὲ τῶν Χαλύβων οὐδείς· λοξὴ γάρ ἐστι τελέως. ὁ γὰρ δὴ διὰ Χαλύβων μεσημβρινὸς διὰ τῆς μικρᾶς Ἀρμενίας γράφοιτʼ ἂν καὶ τοῦ Εὐφράτου τὴν Καππαδοκίαν ὅλην ἐντὸς ἀπολαμβάνων καὶ τὴν Κομμαγηνὴν καὶ τὸν Ἀμανὸν καὶ τὸν Ἰσσικὸν κόλπον. εἰ δʼ οὖν καὶ τὴν λοξὴν γραμμὴν ὁρίζειν τὸν ἰσθμὸν συγχωρήσαιμεν, τὰ πλεῖστά γε τούτων καὶ μάλιστα ἡ Καππαδοκία ἐντὸς ἀπολαμβάνοιτʼ ἂν καὶ ὁ νῦν ἰδίως λεγόμενος Πόντος τῆς Καππαδοκίας μέρος ὢν τὸ πρὸς τῷ Εὐξείνῳ, ὥστʼ εἰ τοὺς Χάλυβας τῆς χερρονήσου θετέον μέρος, πολὺ μᾶλλον τοὺς Κατάονας καὶ Καππάδοκας ἀμφοτέρους2 καὶ Λυκάονας δέ, οὓς καὶ αὐτοὺς παρῆκε. διὰ τί δʼ ἐν τοῖς μεσογαίοις ἔταξε τοὺς Χάλυβας, οὓς ὁ ποιητὴς Ἁλιζῶνας ἐκάλεσεν, ὥσπερ καὶ ἡμεῖς ἀπεδείξαμεν; ἄμεινον γὰρ ἦν διελεῖν καὶ τοὺς μὲν ἐπὶ τῇ θαλάττῃ φάναι τοὺς δὲ ἐν τῇ μεσογαίᾳ· ὅπερ καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς Καππαδοκίας ποιητέον καὶ τῆς Κιλικίας. ὁ δὲ τὴν μὲν οὐδʼ ὠνόμακε, τοὺς Κίλικας δὲ τοὺς ἐπὶ τῇ θαλάττῃ μόνον εἴρηκεν. οἱ οὖν ἐπʼ Ἀντιπάτρῳ τῷ Δερβήτῃ καὶ οἱ Ὁμοναδεῖς καὶ ἄλλοι πλείους οἱ συνάπτοντες τοῖς Πισίδαις, "οἳ οὐκ ἴσασι θάλατταν ἀνέρες, οὐδέ θʼ ἅλεσσι μεμιγμένον εἶδαρ ἔδουσι" τίνα λάβωσι τάξιν; ἀλλʼ οὐδὲ Λυδοὺς οὐδὲ Μῄονας εἴρηκεν, εἴτε δύο εἴθʼ οἱ αὐτοί εἰσι, καὶ εἴτε καθʼ ἑαυτοὺς εἴτʼ ἐν ἑτέρῳ γένει περιεχομένους. οὕτω γὰρ ἐπίσημον ἔθνος οὐκ ἀποκρύψαι δυνατόν, ὅ τε μὴ λέγων περὶ αὐτοῦ μηδὲν οὐκ ἂν δόξειε παραλιπεῖν τι τῶν κυριωτάτων;

​And he appears not only to fail in examining Ephorus’s statement adequately, but also to confuse and misrepresent the poet’s words. For he ought first to have demanded this of Ephorus: why indeed he places the Chalybians inside the peninsula, when they are so far distant both from Sinope and from Amisus towards the east? For those who say that the isthmus of this peninsula is the line from Issus to the Euxine, positing this as a kind of meridian line, some believe it to be the one to Sinope, others the one to Amisus, but no one the one to the Chalybians; for it is completely oblique. For the meridian through the Chalybians would be drawn through Lesser Armenia and the Euphrates, enclosing inside the whole of Cappadocia, Commagene, Amanus, and the Gulf of Issus. But if, at any rate, we should concede that even the oblique line defines the isthmus, most of these territories, and especially Cappadocia, would be enclosed inside, as well as what is now specifically called Pontus, which is the part of Cappadocia near the Euxine; so that if the Chalybians are to be placed as a part of the peninsula, much more so both the Cataonians and Cappadocians, and also the Lycaonians, whom he himself also omitted. And why did he place among the inland peoples the Chalybians, whom the poet called Halizones, as we also have demonstrated? For it would have been better to make a division and to say that some were on the sea and others in the interior; which ought to be done also in the case of Cappadocia and Cilicia. But he has not even named the former, and has mentioned only the Cilicians on the sea. What position, then, should those under Antipater of Derbe, and the Homanadeis, and many others who border on the Pisidians, receive—men “who know not the sea, nor eat food mixed with salt”? Moreover, he has mentioned neither the Lydians nor the Meonians, whether they are two peoples or the same, and whether they exist by themselves or are included under another tribe. For it is impossible to conceal so famous a nation, and would not one who says nothing about it seem to omit one of the most important things?

§14.5.25

τίνες δʼ εἰσὶν οἱ μιγάδες; οὐ γὰρ ἂν ἔχοιμεν εἰπεῖν παρὰ τοὺς λεχθέντας τόπους ἢ ὠνομάσθαι ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ ἢ παραλελεῖφθαι ἄλλους οὓς ἀποδώσομεν τοῖς μιγάσιν, οὐδέ γε αὐτῶν τινας τούτων ὧν ἢ εἶπεν ἢ παρέλιπε.3 καὶ γὰρ εἰ κατεμίχθησαν, ἀλλʼ ἡ ἐπικράτεια πεποίηκεν ἢ Ἕλληνας ἢ βαρβάρους· τρίτον δὲ γένος οὐδὲν ἴσμεν τὸ μικτόν.

​And who are the mixed peoples? For we would not be able to name, besides the regions mentioned, other peoples either named by him or omitted whom we shall assign to the mixed peoples, nor indeed any of those whom he either mentioned or omitted. For even if they were mixed, still the dominant element has made them either Greeks or barbarians; and we know of no third, mixed race.

§14.5.26

πῶς δὲ τρία γένη τῶν Ἑλλήνων ἐστὶ τὰ τὴν χερρόνησον οἰκοῦντα; εἰ γάρ, ὅτι τὸ παλαιὸν οἱ αὐτοὶ ἦσαν Ἴωνες καὶ Ἀθηναῖοι.4 λεγέσθωσαν καὶ οἱ Δωριεῖς καὶ οἱ Αἰολεῖς οἱ αὐτοί, ὥστε δύο ἔθνη γίνοιτʼ ἄν· εἰ δὲ διαιρετέον κατὰ τὰ ὕστερα ἔθη, καθάπερ καὶ τὰς διαλέκτους, τέτταρα ἂν εἴη καὶ τὰ ἔθνη, καθάπερ καὶ αἱ διάλεκτοι. οἰκοῦσι δὲ τὴν χερρόνησον ταύτην, καὶ μάλιστα κατὰ τὸν τοῦ Ἐφόρου διορισμόν, οὐκ Ἴωνες μόνον ἀλλὰ καὶ Ἀθηναῖοι, καθάπερ ἐν τοῖς καθʼ ἕκαστα δεδήλωται. τοιαῦτα μὲν δὴ πρὸς τὸν Ἔφορον διαπορεῖν ἄξιον· Ἀπολλόδωρος δὲ τούτων μὲν ἐφρόντισεν οὐδέν, τοῖς δὲ ἑκκαίδεκα ἔθνεσι προστίθησιν ἑπτακαιδέκατον, τὸ τῶν Γαλατῶν, ἄλλως μὲν χρήσιμον λεχθῆναι, πρὸς δὲ τὴν δίαιταν τῶν ὑπὸ τοῦ Ἐφόρου λεγομένων ἢ παραλειπομένων οὐ δέον· εἴρηκε δὲ τὴν αἰτίαν αὐτός, ὅτι ταῦτα πάντα νεώτερα τῆς ἐκείνου ἡλικίας.

​And how are there three tribes of Greeks inhabiting the peninsula? For if it is because in ancient times the Ionians and the Athenians were the same, let the Dorians and the Aeolians also be called the same, so that there would be two nations; but if they must be divided according to later customs, just like the dialects, then the nations also would be four, just like the dialects. And there inhabit this peninsula, and especially according to Ephorus’s definition, not only Ionians but also Athenians, as has been shown in the detailed accounts. Such are the difficulties which it is reasonable to raise against Ephorus; but Apollodorus cared nothing for these things, and to the sixteen nations he adds a seventeenth, that of the Galatians—which is useful to be mentioned for other reasons, but is unnecessary for the examination of what was said or omitted by Ephorus; and he himself has stated the reason, namely, that all these things are more recent than Ephorus’s time.

Syntax notes4 items
  1. 14.5.24φαίνεται δʼ οὔτε τοῦ Ἐφόρου τὴν ἀπόφασιν διαιτῶν ἱκανῶς τά τε τοῦ ποιητοῦ ταράττων καὶ καταψευδόμενος.

    The verb φαίνεται is constructed with participles (διαιτῶν, ταράττων, καταψευδόμενος) to mean 'he is clearly doing...' or 'he is seen to be doing...'. The unusual correlative structure οὔτε ... τε ... links the negative statement (not adequately examining Ephorus's statement) with the positive assertion (confusing and misrepresenting the poet's words).

  2. 14.5.24τοὺς Κατάονας καὶ Καππάδοκας ἀμφοτέρους

    The adjective ἀμφοτέρους ('both') modifies Καππάδοκας. In Strabo's geography, Cappadocia is split into two regions (Greater Cappadocia and Cappadocia by the Pontus); thus the phrase refers to 'both groups of Cappadocians' in addition to the Cataonians.

  3. 14.5.25οὐδὲ γὰρ ἂν ἔχοιμεν εἰπεῖν... οὐδέ γε αὐτῶν τινας τούτων ὧν ἢ εἶπεν ἢ παρέλιπε.

    Led by οὐ γὰρ ἂν ἔχοιμεν εἰπεῖν ('for we would not be able to say/name'). The relative pronoun ὧν in the clause is attracted into the genitive case by its antecedent, the genitive pronoun αὐτῶν (originally it would have been an accusative ἃ or οὓς).

  4. 14.5.26εἰ γάρ, ὅτι τὸ παλαιὸν οἱ αὐτοὶ ἦσαν Ἴωνες καὶ Ἀθηναῖοι.

    A highly elliptical phrase where a verb of saying or arguing is omitted after εἰ γάρ ('for if [it is said] because...'), which sets up a conditional premise answered by the imperative λεγέσθωσαν in the main clause.

Translated by Gemini 3.5 Flash (published 2026-05-25) · Revision history (1, latest 2026-09-21)
  • 2026-09-21 AI review — note 1
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