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- Strabo. Strabonis Geographica, Vols. 1-3. Meineke, August, editor. Leipzig: Teubner. 1877.
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- Humanitext Reader · reader.humanitext.ai · 2026-10-23
Demetrius argues that the Trojan War took place at the "Village of the Ilians" rather than the present Ilium, supporting his claim through geographical analyses of Homeric sites (such as Callicolone, Thymbra, and the wild fig-tree), the distance to the naval station, and alluvial deposits.
ὑπὲρ δὲ τούτου μικρὸν ἡ τῶν Ἰλιέων κώμη ἐστίν, ἐν ᾗ νομίζεται τὸ παλαιὸν Ἴλιον ἱδρῦσθαι πρότερον, τριάκοντα σταδίους διέχον ἀπὸ τῆς νῦν πόλεως. ὑπὲρ δὲ τῆς Ἰλιέων κώμης δέκα σταδίοις ἐστὶν ἡ Καλλικολώνη, λόφος τις, παρʼ ὃν ὁ Σιμόεις ῥεῖ πενταστάδιον διέχων· γίνεται οὖν εὔλογον1 πρῶτον μὲν τὸ ἐπὶ τοῦ Ἄρεος "ὦρτο δʼ Ἄρης ἑτέρωθεν ἐρεμνῇ λαίλαπι ἶσος, ὀξὺ κατʼ ἀκροτάτης πόλιος Τρώεσσι κελεύων, ἄλλοτε πὰρ Σιμόεντι θέων ἐπὶ Καλλικολώνῃ." τῆς γὰρ μάχης ἐπὶ τῷ Σκαμανδρίῳ πεδίῳ συντελουμένης πιθανῶς ἂν ὁ Ἄρης ἄλλοτε μὲν τὴν ἐγκέλευσιν ἀπὸ τῆς ἀκροπόλεως ποιοῖτο, ἄλλοτε δʼ ἐκ τῶν πλησίον τόπων τοῦ τε Σιμόεντος καὶ τῆς Καλλικολώνης, μέχρι οὗ εἰκὸς καὶ τὴν μάχην παρατετάσθαι· τετταράκοντα δὲ σταδίους διεχούσης τῆς Καλλικολώνης ἀπὸ τοῦ νῦν Ἰλίου, τί χρήσιμον ἐπὶ τοσοῦτον μεταλαμβάνεσθαι τοὺς τόπους2 ἐφʼ ὅσον ἡ διάταξις οὐ διέτεινε; τό τε "πρὸς Θύμβρης δʼ ἔλαχον Λύκιοι" οἰκειότερόν ἐστι τῷ παλαιῷ κτίσματι· πλησίον γάρ ἐστι τὸ πεδίον ἡ Θύμβρα καὶ ὁ διʼ αὐτοῦ ῥέων ποταμὸς Θύμβριος, ἐμβάλλων εἰς τὸν Σκάμανδρον κατὰ τὸ Θυμβραίου Ἀπόλλωνος ἱερόν, τοῦ δὲ νῦν Ἰλίου καὶ πεντήκοντα σταδίους διέχει. ὅ τε ἐρινεός, τραχύς τις τόπος καὶ ἐρινεώδης, τῷ μὲν ἀρχαίῳ κτίσματι ὑποπέπτωκεν, ὥστε τὸ "λαὸν δὲ στῆσον παρʼ ἐρινεόν, ἔνθα μάλιστα ἀμβατός ἐστι πόλις καὶ ἐπίδρομον ἔπλετο τεῖχος" οἰκείως ἂν λέγοι ἡ Ἀνδρομάχη· τῆς δὲ νῦν πόλεως πάμπολυ ἀφέστηκε· καὶ ὁ φηγὸς δὲ μικρὸν κατωτέρω ἐστὶ τοῦ ἐρινεοῦ, ἐφʼ οὗ φησιν ὁ Ἀχιλλεύς "ὄφρα δʼ ἐγὼ μετʼ Ἀχαιοῖσιν πολέμιζον, οὐκ ἐθέλεσκε μάχην ἀπὸ τείχεος ὀρνύμεν Ἕκτωρ, ἀλλʼ ὅσον ἐς Σκαιάς τε πύλας καὶ φηγὸν ἵκανεν. " καὶ μὴν τό γε ναύσταθμον τὸ νῦν ἔτι λεγόμενον πλησίον οὕτως ἐστὶ τῆς νῦν πόλεως, ὥστε θαυμάζειν εἰκότως ἄν τινα τῶν μὲν τῆς ἀπονοίας τῶν δὲ τοὐναντίον τῆς ἀψυχίας·3 ἀπονοίας μέν, εἰ τοσοῦτον χρόνον ἀτείχιστον αὐτὸ εἶχον, πλησίον οὔσης τῆς πόλεως καὶ τοσούτου πλήθους τοῦ τʼ ἐν αὐτῇ καὶ τοῦ ἐπικουρικοῦ· νεωστὶ γὰρ γεγονέναι φησὶ τὸ τεῖχος (ἢ οὐδʼ ἐγένετο, ὁ δὲ πλάσας ποιητὴς ἠφάνισεν, ὡς Ἀριστοτέλης φησίν)· ἀψυχίας δέ, εἰ γενομένου τοῦ τείχους ἐτειχομάχουν καὶ εἰσέπεσον εἰς αὐτὸ τὸ ναύσταθμον καὶ προσεμάχοντο ταῖς ναυσίν, ἀτείχιστον δὲ ἔχοντες οὐκ ἐθάρρουν προσιόντες πολιορκεῖν μικροῦ τοῦ διαστήματος ὄντος· ἔστι γὰρ τὸ ναύσταθμον πρὸς Σιγείῳ, πλησίον δὲ καὶ ὁ Σκάμανδρος ἐκδίδωσι διέχων τοῦ Ἰλίου σταδίους εἴκοσιν. εἰ δὲ φήσει τις τὸν νῦν λεγόμενον Ἀχαιῶν λιμένα εἶναι τὸ ναύσταθμον, ἐγγυτέρω τινὰ λέξει τόπον ὅσον δώδεκα σταδίους διεστῶτα τῆς πόλεως, [τὸ] ἐπὶ θαλάττῃ πεδίον συμπροστιθείς … διότι τοῦτο πᾶν πρόχωμα τῶν ποταμῶν ἐστι τὸ πρὸ τῆς πόλεως ἐπὶ θαλάττῃ πεδίον, ὥστε εἰ δωδεκαστάδιόν ἐστι νῦν τὸ μεταξύ, τότε καὶ τῷ ἡμίσει ἔλαττον ὑπῆρχε. καὶ ἡ διήγησις δʼ ἡ πρὸς τὸν Εὔμαιον ὑπὸ τοῦ Ὀδυσσέως διασκευασθεῖσα μέγα ἐμφαίνει τὸ διάστημα τὸ μέχρι τῆς πόλεως ἀπὸ τοῦ ναυστάθμου "ὡς ὅθʼ ὑπὸ Τροίῃ λόχον ἤγομεν." φησὶ γὰρ ὑποβάς "λίην γὰρ νηῶν ἑκὰς ἤλθομεν." ἐπί τε τὴν κατασκοπὴν πέμπονται γνωσόμενοι, πότερον μενοῦσι παρὰ νηυσὶν ἀπόπροθεν πολὺ ἀπεσπασμένοι τοῦ οἰκείου τείχους "ἠὲ πόλινδε ἂψ ἀναχωρήσουσι." καὶ ὁ Πολυδάμας "ἀμφὶ μάλα φράζεσθε, φίλοι· κέλομαι γὰρ ἔγωγε ἄστυδε νῦν ἰέναι" φησίν "ἑκὰς δʼ ἀπὸ τείχεός εἰμεν." παρατίθησι δʼ ὁ Δημήτριος καὶ τὴν Ἀλεξανδρίνην Ἑστίαιαν μάρτυρα, τὴν συγγράψασαν περὶ τῆς Ὁμήρου Ἰλιάδος, πυνθανομένην εἰ περὶ τὴν νῦν πόλιν ὁ πόλεμος συνέστη, καὶ … τὸ Τρωικὸν πεδίον, ὃ μεταξὺ τῆς πόλεως καὶ τῆς θαλάττης ὁ ποιητὴς φράζει· τὸ μὲν γὰρ πρὸ τῆς νῦν πόλεως ὁρώμενον4 πρόχωμα εἶναι τῶν ποταμῶν ὕστερον γεγονός.
A little above this is the Village of the Ilians, where the ancient Ilium is believed to have been situated in former times, thirty stadia distant from the present city. Ten stadia above the Village of the Ilians is Callicolone, a hill, by which the Simois flows at a distance of five stadia; it is therefore reasonable, first, that which is said concerning Ares: “But Ares on the other side arose like a dark whirlwind, urging on the Trojans with a sharp cry from the highest part of the city, and at other times running beside the Simois upon Callicolone.” For since the battle was being fought in the Scamandrian plain, Ares might plausibly have made his encouragement at one time from the acropolis, and at another time from the places near both the Simois and Callicolone, as far as which it is probable that the battle also extended. But if Callicolone is forty stadia distant from the present Ilium, what was the use of transferring the places so far, when the battle-line did not extend that far? Also, the passage: “And by Thymbra the Lycians obtained their lot” is more appropriate to the ancient foundation; for the plain of Thymbra is near, and the river Thymbrius which flows through it, emptying into the Scamander near the temple of Thymbraean Apollo, but it is as much as fifty stadia distant from the present Ilium. And the wild fig-tree (Erineos), a rough and fig-producing place, lies just below the ancient foundation, so that the words: “But station the army by the wild fig-tree, where most of all the city is easy to scale and the wall has become vulnerable” would be fittingly spoken by Andromache; but it is very far distant from the present city. And the oak-tree is also a little lower than the wild fig-tree, concerning which Achilles says: “And as long as I was fighting among the Achaeans, Hector was not willing to arouse the battle far from the wall, but would only come as far as the Scaean gates and the oak-tree. “ Moreover, the naval station which is still so called at the present day is so near the present city that one might naturally wonder at the madness of the one side, and, on the contrary, the cowardice of the other. Their madness, on the one hand, if they kept it unfortified for so long a time, when the city was so near and there was such a multitude both in it and of the allies; for he says that the wall was built only recently (or it was not even built at all, but the poet, having fabricated it, caused it to disappear, as Aristotle says); and their cowardice, on the other hand, if, when the wall was built, they fought at the wall and broke into the naval station itself and fought beside the ships, yet when they had it unfortified they did not have the courage to go and besiege it, though the distance was so small. For the naval station is near Sigeum, and the Scamander also empties nearby, being twenty stadia distant from Ilium. But if anyone should say that the place now called the Harbor of the Achaeans is the naval station, he will speak of a closer place, distant about twelve stadia from the city, adding the plain by the sea; because all this plain before the city by the sea is an alluvial deposit of the rivers, so that if the distance between them is now twelve stadia, at that time it was less by even a half. And the narrative constructed by Odysseus to Eumaeus also shows that the distance to the city from the naval station was great: “As when under Troy we led an ambush.” For he says further down: “For we came too far from the ships.” And spies are sent to find out whether they will remain by the ships far away, pulled far from their own wall, “or back to the city will they return.” And Polydamas says: “Consider well, my friends; for I indeed bid you go now to the city,” and he says: “for we are far from the wall.” Demetrius also adduces Hestiaea of Alexandria as a witness, who wrote about Homer’s Iliad, inquiring whether the war took place around the present city, and about the Trojan plain, which the poet describes as being between the city and the sea; for she says that the plain seen before the present city is an alluvial deposit of the rivers formed later.
- 13.1.35γίνεται οὖν εὔλογον
Meaning "becomes reasonable". The neuter phrase with the article τὸ ... (specifically τὸ ἐπὶ τοῦ Ἄρεος, "the passage concerning Ares") functions as the subject of the copulative verb with the predicate adjective εὔλογον.
- 13.1.35τί χρήσιμον ἐπὶ τοσοῦτον μεταλαμβάνεσθαι τοὺς τόπους
"What was the use of transferring the places so far?" An impersonal construction where the accusative with infinitive μεταλαμβάνεσθαι τοὺς τόπους serves as the subject of the implied impersonal phrase χρήσιμον [ἐστί].
- 13.1.36ὥστε θαυμάζειν εἰκότως ἄν τινα τῶν μὲν τῆς ἀπονοίας τῶν δὲ τοὐναντίον τῆς ἀψυχίας
A result clause introduced by ὥστε. The infinitive θαυμάζειν with particle ἄν expresses a potential or hypothetical meaning ("one might naturally wonder"). The genitives τῆς ἀπονοίας and τῆς ἀψυχίας are genitives of cause governed by the verb of wondering (θαυμάζειν).
- 13.1.36τὸ μὲν γὰρ πρὸ τῆς νῦν πόλεως ὁρώμενον
The neuter singular participle ὁρώμενον substantively refers to the omitted noun πεδίον ("plain"). In this context, "the plain seen before the present city" functions as the subject, with πρόχωμα ("alluvial deposit") as the predicate.
Translated by Gemini 3.5 Flash (published 2026-05-25) · Revision history (1, latest 2026-09-21)
- 2026-09-21 AI review — note 1
