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§535-536

Rhapsodes as Interpreters of Interpreters and the Chain of Inspiration

Ion agrees with Socrates' claim that poets are interpreters of the gods, acknowledging that rhapsodes, as "interpreters of interpreters," lose their minds and become ecstatic during recitations. Socrates uses the metaphor of iron rings attracted by a magnet to explain the chain of divine power connecting the god, the poet, the rhapsode, and the spectator, arguing that Ion's exceptional ability regarding Homer is due to divine possession rather than art.

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§535

ΙΩΝ. ναὶ μὰ τὸν Δία, ἔμοιγε· ἅπτει γάρ πώς μου τοῖς λόγοις τῆς ψυχῆς, ὦ Σώκρατες, καί μοι δοκοῦσι θείᾳ μοίρᾳ ἡμῖν παρὰ τῶν θεῶν ταῦτα οἱ ἀγαθοὶ ποιηταὶ ἑρμηνεύειν. ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν ὑμεῖς αὖ οἱ ῥαψῳδοὶ τὰ τῶν ποιητῶν ἑρμηνεύετε; ΙΩΝ. καὶ τοῦτο ἀληθὲς λέγεις. ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν ἑρμηνέων ἑρμηνῆς γίγνεσθε; ΙΩΝ. παντάπασί γε. ΣΩ. ἔχε δή μοι τόδε εἰπέ, ὦ Ἴων, καὶ μὴ ἀποκρύψῃ ὅτι ἄν σε ἔρωμαι· ὅταν εὖ εἴπῃς ἔπη καὶ ἐκπλήξῃς μάλιστα τοὺς θεωμένους, ἢ τὸν Ὀδυσσέα ὅταν ἐπὶ τὸν οὐδὸν ἐφαλλόμενον ᾁδῃς, ἐκφανῆ γιγνόμενον τοῖς μνηστῆρσι καὶ ἐκχέοντα τοὺς ὀιστοὺς πρὸ τῶν ποδῶν, ἢ Ἀχιλλέα ἐπὶ τὸν Ἕκτορα ὁρμῶντα, ἢ καὶ τῶν περὶ Ἀνδρομάχην ἐλεινῶν τι1 ἢ περὶ Ἑκάβην ἢ περὶ Πρίαμον, τότε πότερον ἔμφρων εἶ ἢ ἔξω σαυτοῦ γίγνῃ καὶ παρὰ τοῖς πράγμασιν οἴεταί σου εἶναι ἡ ψυχὴ οἷς λέγεις ἐνθουσιάζουσα, ἢ ἐν Ἰθάκῃ οὖσιν ἢ ἐν Τροίᾳ ἢ ὅπως ἂν καὶ τὰ ἔπη ἔχῃ; ΙΩΝ. ὡς ἐναργές μοι τοῦτο, ὦ Σώκρατες, τὸ τεκμήριον εἶπες· οὐ γάρ σε ἀποκρυψάμενος ἐρῶ. ἐγὼ γὰρ ὅταν ἐλεινόν τι λέγω, δακρύων ἐμπίμπλανταί μου οἱ ὀφθαλμοί· ὅταν τε φοβερὸν ἢ δεινόν, ὀρθαὶ αἱ τρίχες ἵστανται ὑπὸ φόβου καὶ ἡ καρδία πηδᾷ. ΣΩ. τί οὖν; φῶμεν, ὦ Ἴων, ἔμφρονα εἶναι τότε τοῦτον τὸν ἄνθρωπον, ὃς ἂν κεκοσμημένος ἐσθῆτι ποικίλῃ καὶ χρυσοῖσι στεφάνοις κλάῃ τʼ ἐν θυσίαις καὶ ἑορταῖς, μηδὲν ἀπολωλεκὼς τούτων,2 ἢ φοβῆται πλέον ἢ ἐν δισμυρίοις ἀνθρώποις ἑστηκὼς φιλίοις, μηδενὸς ἀποδύοντος μηδὲ ἀδικοῦντος; ΙΩΝ. οὐ μὰ τὸν Δία, οὐ πάνυ, ὦ Σώκρατες, ὥς γε τἀληθὲς εἰρῆσθαι. ΣΩ. οἶσθα οὖν ὅτι καὶ τῶν θεατῶν τοὺς πολλοὺς ταὐτὰ ταῦτα ὑμεῖς ἐργάζεσθε; ΙΩΝ. καὶ μάλα καλῶς οἶδα· καθορῶ γὰρ ἑκάστοτε αὐτοὺς ἄνωθεν ἀπὸ τοῦ βήματος κλάοντάς τε καὶ δεινὸν ἐμβλέποντας καὶ συνθαμβοῦντας τοῖς λεγομένοις. δεῖ γάρ με καὶ σφόδρʼ αὐτοῖς τὸν νοῦν προσέχειν· ὡς ἐὰν μὲν κλάοντας αὐτοὺς καθίσω, αὐτὸς γελάσομαι ἀργύριον λαμβάνων, ἐὰν δὲ γελῶντας, αὐτὸς κλαύσομαι ἀργύριον ἀπολλύς.

​ION: Yes, by Zeus, to me indeed; for you touch my soul somehow with your words, Socrates, and those good poets seem to me to interpret these things to us from the gods by divine dispensation. SOC: And do you rhapsodes in turn interpret the works of the poets? ION: That too you say truly. SOC: Then you become interpreters of interpreters? ION: Absolutely. SOC: Hold on then, tell me this, Ion, and do not hide from me what I ask you: when you recite epic poetry well and stun the spectators most, either when you sing of Odysseus leaping onto the threshold, becoming manifest to the suitors and pouring out his arrows before his feet, or Achilles rushing upon Hector, or something of the pitiable things about Andromache, or Hecuba, or Priam, then are you in your right mind, or are you beside yourself, and does your soul think it is present at the events of which you speak, in its inspiration, whether they are in Ithaca or in Troy, or however the verses have it? ION: How vivid is this proof you have spoken, Socrates! For I will tell you without hiding it. When I speak of something pitiable, my eyes are filled with tears; and when it is fearful or terrible, my hair stands on end from fear and my heart leaps. SOC: What then? Shall we say, Ion, that this man is in his right mind at that moment, who, adorned in variegated clothing and golden crowns, weeps at sacrifices and festivals, having lost none of these things, or is terrified when standing among more than twenty thousand friendly people, with no one stripping him or doing him wrong? ION: No, by Zeus, not at all, Socrates, to say the truth. SOC: Do you know then that you also produce these same effects in most of the spectators? ION: I know it very well indeed; for I look down on them each time from the platform, weeping and looking terrified and sharing the amazement at what is said. For I must pay very close attention to them: since if I set them weeping, I myself shall laugh when receiving money, but if I set them laughing, I myself shall weep when losing money.

§536

ΣΩ. οἶσθα οὖν ὅτι οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ θεατὴς τῶν δακτυλίων ὁ ἔσχατος, ὧν ἐγὼ ἔλεγον ὑπὸ τῆς Ἡρακλειώτιδος λίθου ἀπʼ ἀλλήλων τὴν δύναμιν λαμβάνειν; ὁ δὲ μέσος σὺ ὁ ῥαψῳδὸς καὶ ὑποκριτής, ὁ δὲ πρῶτος αὐτὸς ὁ ποιητής· ὁ δὲ θεὸς διὰ πάντων τούτων ἕλκει τὴν ψυχὴν ὅποι ἂν βούληται τῶν ἀνθρώπων, ἀνακρεμαννὺς ἐξ ἀλλήλων τὴν δύναμιν. καὶ ὥσπερ ἐκ τῆς λίθου ἐκείνης ὁρμαθὸς πάμπολυς ἐξήρτηται χορευτῶν τε καὶ διδασκάλων καὶ ὑποδιδασκάλων, ἐκ πλαγίου ἐξηρτημένων τῶν τῆς Μούσης ἐκκρεμαμένων δακτυλίων. καὶ ὁ μὲν τῶν ποιητῶν ἐξ ἄλλης Μούσης, ὁ δὲ ἐξ ἄλλης ἐξήρτηται—ὀνομάζομεν δὲ αὐτὸ κατέχεται, τὸ δέ ἐστι παραπλήσιον· ἔχεται γάρ3—ἐκ δὲ τούτων τῶν πρώτων δακτυλίων, τῶν ποιητῶν, ἄλλοι ἐξ ἄλλου αὖ ἠρτημένοι εἰσὶ καὶ ἐνθουσιάζουσιν, οἱ μὲν ἐξ Ὀρφέως, οἱ δὲ ἐκ Μουσαίου· οἱ δὲ πολλοὶ ἐξ Ὁμήρου κατέχονταί τε καὶ ἔχονται. ὧν σύ, ὦ Ἴων, εἷς εἶ καὶ κατέχῃ ἐξ Ὁμήρου, καὶ ἐπειδὰν μέν τις ἄλλου του ποιητοῦ ᾁδῃ, καθεύδεις τε καὶ ἀπορεῖς ὅτι λέγῃς, ἐπειδὰν δὲ τούτου τοῦ ποιητοῦ φθέγξηταί τις μέλος, εὐθὺς ἐγρήγορας καὶ ὀρχεῖταί σου ἡ ψυχὴ καὶ εὐπορεῖς ὅτι λέγῃς· οὐ γὰρ τέχνῃ οὐδʼ ἐπιστήμῃ περὶ Ὁμήρου λέγεις ἃ λέγεις, ἀλλὰ θείᾳ μοίρᾳ καὶ κατοκωχῇ, ὥσπερ οἱ κορυβαντιῶντες ἐκείνου μόνου αἰσθάνονται τοῦ μέλους ὀξέως ὃ ἂν ᾖ τοῦ θεοῦ ἐξ ὅτου ἂν κατέχωνται, καὶ εἰς ἐκεῖνο τὸ μέλος καὶ σχημάτων καὶ ῥημάτων εὐποροῦσι, τῶν δὲ ἄλλων οὐ φροντίζουσιν· οὕτω καὶ σύ, ὦ Ἴων, περὶ μὲν Ὁμήρου ὅταν τις μνησθῇ, εὐπορεῖς, περὶ δὲ τῶν ἄλλων ἀπορεῖς· τούτου δʼ ἐστὶ τὸ αἴτιον, ὅ μʼ ἐρωτᾷς, διʼ ὅτι σὺ περὶ μὲν Ὁμήρου εὐπορεῖς, περὶ δὲ τῶν ἄλλων οὔ, ὅτι οὐ τέχνῃ ἀλλὰ θείᾳ μοίρᾳ Ὁμήρου δεινὸς εἶ ἐπαινέτης. ΙΩΝ. σὺ μὲν εὖ λέγεις, ὦ Σώκρατες· θαυμάζοιμι μεντἂν εἰ οὕτως εὖ εἴποις,4 ὥστε με ἀναπεῖσαι ὡς ἐγὼ κατεχόμενος καὶ μαινόμενος Ὅμηρον ἐπαινῶ. οἶμαι δὲ οὐδʼ ἂν σοὶ δόξαιμι, εἴ μου ἀκούσαις λέγοντος περὶ Ὁμήρου. ΣΩ. καὶ μὴν ἐθέλω γε ἀκοῦσαι, οὐ μέντοι πρότερον πρὶν ἄν μοι ἀποκρίνῃ τόδε· ὧν Ὅμηρος λέγει περὶ τίνος εὖ λέγεις; οὐ γὰρ δήπου περὶ ἁπάντων γε. ΙΩΝ. εὖ ἴσθι, ὦ Σώκρατες, περὶ οὐδενὸς ὅτου οὔ. ΣΩ. οὐ δήπου καὶ περὶ τούτων ὧν σὺ μὲν τυγχάνεις οὐκ εἰδώς, Ὅμηρος δὲ λέγει. ΙΩΝ. καὶ ταῦτα ποῖά ἐστιν ἃ Ὅμηρος μὲν λέγει, ἐγὼ δὲ οὐκ οἶδα;

​SOC: Do you know then that this spectator is the last of the rings, which I said receive their power from one another by the Heraclean stone? And the middle one is you, the rhapsode and actor, and the first is the poet himself; and the god through all of these draws the soul of men wherever he wishes, hanging their power one from another. And just as from that stone a very large chain of dancers and teachers and under-teachers is suspended, hanging from the side of the rings suspended from the Muse. And one of the poets is suspended from one Muse, another from another—we call it “possessed” (katēchetai), and that is near to it: for he is held (echetai)—and from these first rings, the poets, others in turn are suspended from one or another and are inspired, some from Orpheus, others from Musaeus; but the majority are possessed and held by Homer. Of whom you, Ion, are one and are possessed by Homer, and when anyone sings of any other poet, you fall asleep and are at a loss for what to say, but when anyone utters a song of this poet, you are immediately awake and your soul dances and you have plenty to say; for it is not by art or knowledge that you say what you say about Homer, but by divine dispensation and possession, just as the Corybantes are keenly aware only of that song which belongs to the god by whom they are possessed, and for that song they have plenty of gestures and words, but pay no attention to others; so too you, Ion, when anyone mentions Homer, you have plenty to say, but about others you are at a loss. And the cause of this, which you ask me, why you have plenty to say about Homer but not about others, is that it is not by art but by divine dispensation that you are a powerful praiser of Homer. ION: You speak well, Socrates; yet I should wonder if you could speak so well as to convince me that I praise Homer while possessed and mad. And I do not think I would seem so even to you, if you were to hear me speaking about Homer. SOC: And indeed I want to hear you, but not before you answer me this: of the things Homer says, about which do you speak well? For surely not about all of them. ION: Be well assured, Socrates, there is nothing about which I do not. SOC: Surely not also about those things of which you happen to be ignorant, but which Homer speaks of? ION: And what kind of things are these which Homer speaks of, but I do not know?

Syntax notes4 items
  1. 535bἢ τῶν περὶ Ἀνδρομάχην ἐλεινῶν τι

    In "ἢ τῶν περὶ Ἀνδρομάχην ἐλεινῶν τι", the phrase "τῶν ... ἐλεινῶν" is a neuter plural substantive meaning "pitiable things/stories" and functions as a partitive genitive modifying "τι" (something). The prepositional phrase "περὶ Ἀνδρομάχην" restricts this adjectival/noun phrase.

  2. 535dμηδὲν ἀπολωλεκὼς τούτων

    The perfect participle "ἀπολωλεκὼς" has a concessive nuance ("although having lost nothing") modifying the main verb "κλάῃ" (weep). The genitive "τούτων" is a genitive of separation (ablative genitive) referring to the previously mentioned clothing and crowns ("ἐσθῆτι, στεφάνοις").

  3. 536aὀνομάζομεν δὲ αὐτὸ κατέχεται, τὸ δέ ἐστι παραπλήσιον· ἔχεται γάρ

    A characteristic Platonic etymological wordplay. The passive form "κατέχεται" (is possessed, from "κατέχω") is explained by relating it to "ἔχεται" (is held, from "ἔχω"). The pronoun "αὐτό" in the first clause is an accusative referring to the nominalized expression "the term 'possessed'".

  4. 536dθαυμάζοιμι μεντἂν εἰ οὕτως εὖ εἴποις

    The combination of the optative with "ἄν" ("μεντἂν" = "μέντοι ἄν") and the optative in the protasis ("εἰ εἴποις") forms a potential condition expressing a gentle projection of possibility in the present: "I should wonder if you could speak so well as to convince me." It conveys Ion's skepticism.

Translated by Gemini 3.5 Flash (published 2026-05-22)urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg027.humanitext-grc2:535-536