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§24

The New Accusers and the Cross-Examination of Meletus

The main accusers against Socrates are introduced, and in response to the new charges of corrupting the youth and impiety, a direct cross-examination between Socrates and Meletus begins.

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§24

ἐκ τούτων καὶ Μέλητός μοι ἐπέθετο καὶ Ἄνυτος καὶ Λύκων, Μέλητος μὲν ὑπὲρ τῶν ποιητῶν ἀχθόμενος, Ἄνυτος δὲ ὑπὲρ τῶν δημιουργῶν καὶ τῶν πολιτικῶν, Λύκων δὲ ὑπὲρ τῶν ῥητόρων· ὥστε, ὅπερ ἀρχόμενος ἐγὼ ἔλεγον, θαυμάζοιμʼ ἂν εἰ1 οἷός τʼ εἴην ἐγὼ ὑμῶν ταύτην τὴν διαβολὴν ἐξελέσθαι ἐν οὕτως ὀλίγῳ χρόνῳ οὕτω πολλὴν γεγονυῖαν. ταῦτʼ ἔστιν ὑμῖν, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, τἀληθῆ, καὶ ὑμᾶς οὔτε μέγα οὔτε μικρὸν ἀποκρυψάμενος ἐγὼ λέγω οὐδʼ ὑποστειλάμενος. καίτοι οἶδα σχεδὸν ὅτι αὐτοῖς τούτοις ἀπεχθάνομαι, ὃ καὶ τεκμήριον ὅτι ἀληθῆ λέγω καὶ ὅτι αὕτη ἐστὶν ἡ διαβολὴ ἡ ἐμὴ καὶ τὰ αἴτια ταῦτά ἐστιν. καὶ ἐάντε νῦν ἐάντε αὖθις ζητήσητε ταῦτα, οὕτως εὑρήσετε. περὶ μὲν οὖν ὧν οἱ πρῶτοί μου κατήγοροι κατηγόρουν αὕτη ἔστω ἱκανὴ ἀπολογία πρὸς ὑμᾶς· πρὸς δὲ Μέλητον τὸν ἀγαθὸν καὶ φιλόπολιν, ὥς φησι, καὶ τοὺς ὑστέρους μετὰ ταῦτα πειράσομαι ἀπολογήσασθαι. αὖθις γὰρ δή, ὥσπερ ἑτέρων τούτων ὄντων κατηγόρων, λάβωμεν αὖ τὴν τούτων ἀντωμοσίαν. ἔχει δέ πως ὧδε· Σωκράτη φησὶν ἀδικεῖν τούς τε νέους διαφθείροντα2 καὶ θεοὺς οὓς ἡ πόλις νομίζει οὐ νομίζοντα, ἕτερα δὲ δαιμόνια καινά. τὸ μὲν δὴ ἔγκλημα τοιοῦτόν ἐστιν· τούτου δὲ τοῦ ἐγκλήματος ἓν ἕκαστον ἐξετάσωμεν.φησὶ γὰρ δὴ τοὺς νέους ἀδικεῖν με διαφθείροντα. ἐγὼ δέ γε, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, ἀδικεῖν φημι Μέλητον, ὅτι σπουδῇ χαριεντίζεται, ῥᾳδίως εἰς ἀγῶνα καθιστὰς ἀνθρώπους, περὶ πραγμάτων προσποιούμενος σπουδάζειν καὶ κήδεσθαι ὧν οὐδὲν τούτῳ πώποτε ἐμέλησεν· ὡς δὲ τοῦτο οὕτως ἔχει, πειράσομαι καὶ ὑμῖν ἐπιδεῖξαι. καί μοι δεῦρο, ὦ Μέλητε, εἰπέ· ἄλλο τι ἢ3 περὶ πλείστου ποιῇ ὅπως ὡς βέλτιστοι οἱ νεώτεροι ἔσονται;ἔγωγε.ἴθι δή νυν εἰπὲ τούτοις, τίς αὐτοὺς βελτίους ποιεῖ; δῆλον γὰρ ὅτι οἶσθα, μέλον γέ σοι. τὸν μὲν γὰρ διαφθείροντα ἐξευρών, ὡς φῄς, ἐμέ, εἰσάγεις τουτοισὶ καὶ κατηγορεῖς· τὸν δὲ δὴ βελτίους ποιοῦντα ἴθι εἰπὲ καὶ μήνυσον αὐτοῖς τίς ἐστιν. —ὁρᾷς, ὦ Μέλητε, ὅτι σιγᾷς καὶ οὐκ ἔχεις εἰπεῖν; καίτοι οὐκ αἰσχρόν σοι δοκεῖ εἶναι καὶ ἱκανὸν τεκμήριον οὗ δὴ ἐγὼ λέγω, ὅτι σοι οὐδὲν μεμέληκεν; ἀλλʼ εἰπέ, ὠγαθέ, τίς αὐτοὺς ἀμείνους ποιεῖ;οἱ νόμοι. ἀλλʼ οὐ τοῦτο ἐρωτῶ, ὦ βέλτιστε, ἀλλὰ τίς ἄνθρωπος, ὅστις πρῶτον καὶ αὐτὸ τοῦτο οἶδε, τοὺς νόμους;οὗτοι, ὦ Σώκρατες, οἱ δικασταί.πῶς λέγεις, ὦ Μέλητε; οἵδε τοὺς νέους παιδεύειν οἷοί τέ εἰσι καὶ βελτίους ποιοῦσιν;μάλιστα.πότερον ἅπαντες, ἢ οἱ μὲν αὐτῶν, οἱ δʼ οὔ;ἅπαντες.εὖ γε νὴ τὴν Ἥραν λέγεις καὶ πολλὴν ἀφθονίαν τῶν ὠφελούντων.

​From among these, Meletus also attacked me, as did Anytus and Lycon; Meletus being vexed on behalf of the poets, Anytus on behalf of the artisans and the politicians, and Lycon on behalf of the rhetoricians. So that, as I said at the beginning, I should be surprised if I were able to rid you of this slander in so short a time, which has grown to be so great. This is the truth for you, men of Athens, and I speak without hiding anything from you, whether great or small, and without holding anything back. And yet I know well enough that I make myself hated by these very things, which is also a proof that I speak the truth, and that this is the slander against me, and these are the causes. And whether you investigate these things now or later, you will find it to be so. As for the charges which my first accusers brought against me, let this be a sufficient defense before you. Next, I shall try to defend myself against Meletus, that ‘good and patriotic man,’ as he says, and those who came after. For once more, since these are different accusers, let us take up their sworn deposition in turn. It is somewhat as follows: it says that Socrates does injustice by corrupting the youth, and by not believing in the gods in whom the city believes, but in other strange spiritual things. The charge indeed is of this kind; let us examine each part of this charge. For he says indeed that I do injustice by corrupting the youth. But I, men of Athens, say that Meletus does injustice, because he plays in earnest, easily bringing men to trial, pretending to care for and be concerned about things for which he has never cared at all. And that this is so, I shall try to show you also. Socrates: Come here, Meletus, and tell me: is it not the case that you care most of all that the youth shall be as good as possible? Meletus: I do. Socrates: Come then, tell these men, who makes them better? For it is clear that you know, since it is a care to you. For having found the one who corrupts them, as you say—me—you bring me before these men and accuse me. But come, tell them and point out to them who it is that makes them better. —Do you see, Meletus, that you are silent and have nothing to say? And yet does it not seem shameful to you, and a sufficient proof of what I say, that you have not cared at all? But tell me, my good man, who makes them better? Meletus: The laws. Socrates: But I am not asking this, most excellent man, but what person, who first of all knows this very thing, the laws? Meletus: These men, Socrates, the jurymen. Socrates: How do you mean, Meletus? Are these men able to educate the youth and make them better? Meletus: Yes, indeed. Socrates: All of them, or some of them, and others not? Meletus: All of them. Socrates: Well said, by Hera, and you speak of a great abundance of those who are helpful.

Syntax notes3 items
  1. 24aθαυμάζοιμʼ ἂν εἰ

    Combining a potential optative in the apodosis (ἂν + optative) with an optative in the protasis (εἰ + optative) to express a polite or cautious assumption ("I should be surprised if I were able...").

  2. 24bδιαφθείροντα

    A present participle in the accusative case, agreeing with the implied subject of the infinitive ἀδικεῖν (Σωκράτη). It functions as a supplementary participle explaining the manner or specific content of the injustice ("doing injustice by corrupting...").

  3. 24cἄλλο τι ἤ

    An idiomatic expression derived from the ellipsis of ἄλλο τι [ἔστιν] ἤ ("is there anything else than...?"), functioning like a tag question ("is it not the case that...?") to introduce a question expecting a strong affirmative answer.

Translated by Gemini 3.5 Flash (published 2026-05-22)urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg002.humanitext-grc2:24